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TNNurse

(7,538 posts)
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 10:54 AM Aug 2023

From what I understood on the morning news shows.

They cannot find evidence of so many of those missing in the Maui fire because the fire was SO HOT that some were apparently cremated. I just cannot imagine. One can only hope it was as quick as the fire looked as it spread.

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malaise

(295,894 posts)
2. My hope is that smoke inhalation killed them before the fire reached them
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 11:26 AM
Aug 2023

Quote

Most fire deaths are not caused by burns, but by smoke inhalation. Often smoke incapacitates so quickly that people are overcome and can't make it to an otherwise accessible exit. The synthetic materials commonplace in today's homes produce especially dangerous substances.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,948 posts)
3. This
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 11:33 AM
Aug 2023

Or probably that the heat was so intense that there was no oxygen. Suffocating would be preferable to being burned alive.

liberalla

(11,081 posts)
10. Yesterday I saw a canine cadaver searcher/handler say that smoke inhalation puts you
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 12:51 PM
Aug 2023

to sleep before you are burned. It was a comforting thought, though I'm not sure "sleep" is an accurate description. I think "passing out" or becoming unconscious prior to suffocation and death would be more apt. Passing out or losing consciousness would still be preferable, of course.

eta: I am agreeing with your post and description of smoke inhalation. I just thought calling it "sleep" was disingenuous and euphemistic. A comfortable fairy tale.

3catwoman3

(29,360 posts)
4. Not unlike 9/11.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 11:36 AM
Aug 2023

There are over 1000 victims from that day whose remaining have not been identified.

NCDem47

(3,463 posts)
5. Just bone fragments
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 11:54 AM
Aug 2023

I’m afraid so many were burned alive in their cars trying to escape.

Such a horrible tragedy.

Curtis

(349 posts)
7. I can believe it
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 12:34 PM
Aug 2023

My wife and I lost our house in the Dixie Fire two years ago. That fire was hot enough that glass and softer metals melted and ran down like candle wax. Computer towers in our home along with even very old collectible guns actually partially melted and warped. Jewelry melted into a glob of junk as did other things like keys and even kitchen flatware melted away to nothingness. The only things that survived were ceramics, but even they are hyper brittle and scorched due to the excessive heat.

mahina

(20,639 posts)
9. Here, engine blicks and granite counters liquified.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 12:40 PM
Aug 2023

Unimaginable. My heart is burning for Canada.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
12. I have an acquaintance whose brother is missing in what used to be Lahaina.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:03 PM
Aug 2023

She keeps posting information about what he looks like and what vehicle he drives so he can be "found." I understand holding on to hope, but it's just so sad. He's so obviously gone for good.

housecat

(3,138 posts)
14. It is horrible beyond belief. However if people and animals were not conscious
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:09 PM
Aug 2023

when they burned, that's some comfort for others.

wnylib

(25,931 posts)
15. Do not underestimate the amount of smoke and heat
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:14 PM
Aug 2023

that a fire produces. When I was a teen, our house caught fire in the middle of the night. It started in the living room, near the couch. My brother was still awake because he had come home very late from a night out with old friends. (He was home on leave from the Navy.)

I woke up quickly when my brother stood in my second floor bedroom doorway telling me to get up and get out. Before he got to the word fire, I knew. My room was filled with smoke. It was the farthest down the hall from the head of the stairs, but smoke had reached it already.

We all got out ok, but I will never forget the roaring sound of the fire and the intense heat. The layout of the house was such that the staircase from the second floor ended at the bottom right before a foyer at the front door. But to get down the stairs, we had to pass an area directly across from the living room, which had a large, double door opening off of a hallway that led from the foyer.

Heat rises. So, at the midway point on the staircase, when the entire far wall of the living room was in flames, the heat was so intense, and my eyes were burning so much from the smoke, that I felt like running back up the stairs to get away from it. I didn't even try, though, for two reasons. First, all those years of school fire drills had hammered into me that you NEVER turn back and you ALWAYS get outside immediately.

The second reason was that my father was at the rear of the line as we went down the stairs, making sure that we all kept going forward.

The house was saved and the fire contained to the living room because, while waiting for the fire department response, my father ran around to the back where the garden hose was still attached to an outdoor faucet. He shot a steady stream of water on the fire, through the living room window from outside. (The heat had shattered or melted the glass.)

The reach of the smoke and soot was astonishing to me. Our dishes, inside closed cupboard doors, were covered in a film of smoke and soot. Clothes inside my bedroom closet smelled of smoke. (I'd left the closet door open when I went to bed.) The walls and ceilings of the first floor rooms were all covered in a smokey, sooty film.

But, the fire itself had only burned one entire wall of the living room, the couch, the drapes behind the couch, and the carpet under the couch, plus the wall pictures. The hardwoodd floor beneath the carpet was badly scorched.

If a one room, contained fire can produce that much heat and smoke, imagine what a burning forest and city buildings all burning at once can do.

The smoke would have suffocated people before the flames reached them.

TNNurse

(7,538 posts)
16. As I understand,
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:50 PM
Aug 2023

the intensity of the heat would have depleted oxygen very quickly and they most likely did not suffer. I hope that is the case.

Warpy

(114,597 posts)
17. When they said they weren't finding much,
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 01:59 PM
Aug 2023

I had a vague idea of what that fire had been like. Chances are good that many people won't be found

Conflagrations spread by high winds are different from ordinary fires. In a conflagration, the fire is spread by superheated wind, itself, no sparks or embers are needed. People caught in them go into thermal shock long before the fire reaches them.

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