Tweet to those who didn't vote for Clinton

[spooky3]

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By LanaQuest aka Rosa Sparks:

“ To those of you that couldn’t bring yourself to vote for Hillary although she was far more qualified.

That kept calling her “the lesser of two evils.”

That blamed her for the indiscretions of her husband.

That let misogyny rule.

This Supreme Court is your fault.

Now you have another chance to right your wrong.

Third-party candidates can not and will not win. Any “Democrat” that runs against Biden will not and cannot win.

If you want to play games go to an arcade. The rest of us want to save democracy. Want to save ourselves and children from mass shootings. Want to give women their uterus’ back? Want to recognize and embrace the LGBTQ+ community? Want to celebrate African Americans and our history? #FreshVotesBlue”

Link to tweet

[Walleye]

1. And don't be like Republicans who go around all butt-hurt all the time

[TeamProg]

35. Excellent use of

subtle mockery and obvious sarcasm in one sentence!

[paleotn]

36. Exactly!

I really can't stand the whining.

[machoneman]

75. I want Comer butt-hurt with a redwood tree!

[Think. Again.]

2. one thing we should remember...

...is that pretty much everyone was sure Clinton was a shoe-in, and some folks probably thought they could safely 'make a statement' by voting more progressively.

We have to be extremely careful to avoid complacency, while still building momentum, when so much is at stake.

[OneGrassRoot]

4. Indeed...

yet I still say fuck them because their “statement,” shared far and wide on social media and elsewhere, poisoned the well to a significant degree. And their continued lack of remorse is disgusting to me. They’re all Susan Sarandon and I unfriended many for their continued cavalier attitude.

[Think. Again.]

8. It's true...

...let's make sure that this time it's fully understood that there is no room to play around.

Those of us who want to be heard must know we are listening, the Democratic Party must make sure it doesn't alienate ANY of the individual interests under our 'Big Tent', while always strongly confirming our solidarity on the bigger picture.

There will be time to sort out how we prioritize our most pressing concerns AFTER we protect the nation from fascism.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

22. To be critical in an introspective way

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this is the biggest problem.

the Democratic Party must make sure it doesn't alienate ANY of the individual interests under our 'Big Tent'

Just because your favorite puritan (D) isn't running, doesn't mean you should sit aside and not vote.

Keep in mind, there are a lot of (R) and (I) that are tired of Trump-ism too.

I mean I would pick Bernie over Clinton any day on policy, but I still showed up for (D) in the end. I know a lot who didn't.

[Think. Again.]

24. Yes!, yes! and YES!

[electric_blue68]

30. I really love the Meme about Voting is like "getting on a bus"... It...

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may not get you to exactly to your destination but it's going to get you alot closer!

👍🧡👍🧡👍

🇺🇸 🗳️ 🇺🇸

[getagrip_already]

28. It wasn't just serandon.....

There was mm, and at least one sitting us senator who is making cute campaign like speeches in the near future.

It's past, present, and future sadly.

Eternal vigilance.

[Celerity]

60. yes, Manchin and his playing footsie with No Labels/Problem Solvers about a 3rd party run

[getagrip_already]

72. Oh right, him also.... n/t

[Celerity]

76. I am unaware of any other Dem caucus Senator hinting or acting like they may run for POTUS in 2024

[getagrip_already]

79. Well, I find this mildly out of place

https://www.wmur.com/amp/article/manchester-new-hampshire-bernie-sanders-visit/44855758

He isn't the senator from nh. A non campaign campaign speach.

[Celerity]

83. geo blocked

But if you are trying to paint Sanders as hinting at a run for POTUS in 2024 (I cannot tell as I cannot read your link), well, there is this, from April:

[getagrip_already]

98. Hinting?

No, I just find it oddly coincidental that he is holding a campaign speach in NH, an important presidential primary state when he isn't the senator from nh.

Wouldn't be the first stealth candidacy. Float a few balloons, start to appear in polls, deny, deny, deny, until you dont.....

[Celerity]

100. Sanders is not running, and he endorsed Biden in April, there is no 'stealth' candiancy plan afoot

Sanders is always going around nationally and pushing for a progressive agenda, he has done it for decades.

[brer cat]

45. +++ nt

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

48. I can't stand seeing her now

I threw away all my Rocky Horror stuff. Fuck her.

[betsuni]

59. +1

[FalloutShelter]

81. The Failure to back qualified and tested Democrats for President goes back to GORE.

The STATEMENT vote folks cost us that election too.

The court was in jeopardy then, and as an activist for women's bodily autonomy, I remember trying to persuade liberals in 2000 to vote for Al Gore. "It's the COURT", I told them.

"NO," they would tell me... it's "the sanctity of MY vote". I will not vote for the 'Lesser of two evils".

They didn't like Al, they didn't like Hillary... they think Joe is too old and they don't like Kamala.

What we have here is an epidemic of selfishness. What I want is more important than what is good for the country.
This mindset has infected Americans, and it's why we are here now.

[Aristus]

88. I agree. Anyone who makes a "statement vote" should have his ballot shoved so far up his ass,

it comes out his mouth. Then pull the ballot out, and repeat.

[LisaM]

9. That's no excuse.

I still hear people use that excuse for voting for Nader. Then they blamed Gore because they didn't like his campaign.

People need to accept responsibility.

[Think. Again.]

13. I absolutely agree...

...our one goal right now is an overwhelming win for Biden.

It isn't the time think about what you want for dinner when the kitchen is on fire.

Our job is to make that clear to any and all pro-Biden voters we can reach.

[Think. Again.]

16. And I'm STILL....

....very upset about Gore not getting in.

[electric_blue68]

41. I hear you, And I go there rarely bc -gah! Just too upsetting.

[OneGrassRoot]

21. ABSOLUTELY!! n/t

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. Just as Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004, Harlan Crow is funding no labels for the same reason

I will never forgive nader Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

[dmr]

120. Thank you for the article, LMPV

I read all your post, then went on and clicked the link. I haven't read it all, but I'll finish it tomorrow.

Why did Nader hate the Democratic Party? He knew exactly what the Republicans were doing. He knew it was to hurt Gore in 2000, and Kerry in 2004. He KNEW it was to help Bush*. He KNEW that! Why did he hate the Dems as much as he did? The article says he was evil.

I have more to read, and much more to learn.

I truly appreciate your post, and added link, LMPV.

[betsuni]

58. +1

[Skittles]

66. THANK YOU

FUCK those fucking morons

[TwilightZone]

49. Except for the people who were actually paying attention.

The race was closing in the last couple weeks, and 538 had Trump with a 30% chance of winning. 30% isn't zero.

That's the problem with national polls. They're meaningless, yet they get the focus. The focus should be on electoral college projections. Those were *always* much closer.

[Think. Again.]

51. Yep...

...and as 2016 proved without a doubt, we need those people who don't really pay attention to be on our side just as much as we need those who do!

[StevieM]

103. The race was closing in the final 11 days after what James Comey did.

He dominated that election from start to finish. And whenever he intervened, he did enormous damage.

[Cha]

3. Mahalo Spooky.. It's All True. 🤷‍♂️💕

[Escurumbele]

5. I hope your post makes a lot of people think hard about that election and the bad consequences

it brought. Yes, we have to go out and vote, we cannot allow republicans to take the government again, and we must have majority in both houses to fix the destruction republicans made.

Good post.

[spooky3]

6. Thanks. The author is "LanaQuest aka Rosa Sparks." Nt

[spooky3]

10. Hi Cha!

[spike jones]

7. I have always said, if you said "I just can't vote for Hillary," Fuck You. n/t

[Joinfortmill]

11. I'm with you, and double that!!!

[bluboid]

12. spooky, you're very WISE - thank you!

[spooky3]

15. Thanks but I just found it--I didn't write it. Nt

[orangecrush]

14. Not only did I vote for her

I saw her speak at Mercyhurst college in Erie Pa. that year.

Stood in line in below zero windyweather for an hour and a half to get in.

The cheering was so loud you had to struggle to hear.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. I was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 convention

I was also a volunteer for her voter protection team

[orangecrush]

54. Thank you

For your God work!

[elocs]

17. Amen. American partisan politics is binary with either the Democrat or Republican as the winner.

If you are on the Left, unless you vote for the Democratic candidate, you are only helping the Republican. Unfortunately, too many Democrats consider themselves to be to righteous and noble to bring themselves to vote for whom they believe is a perceived lessor of 2 evils.
In more than 50 years of voting I've learned that as a Democrat, I ALWAYS vote for the Democratic nominee. Always.
Here in Wisconsin in '16, Jill Stein of the Green Party received more votes than Trump's margin of victory and I'd guess that precious few of those votes came from the right.
Even in very Blue California in '24 we on the Left need to vote for Biden in order to give the Republican what Muhammad Ali called a Floyd Patterson humiliation beating.
Now is not the time to be complacent.

[Best_man23]

18. And in 2024, a vote for ANY No Labels Candidate

Is a vote for Trump, period.

[Bucky]

19. I'm pretty sure there's virtually no one on DU who this is addressing

But perhaps preaching to the choir is a constructive use of your time

[electric_blue68]

44. Idk...Sometimes "oreaching to the choir" is useful to get people's

energy level up in gear.
(if I'm understanding you post)

Having only been on here for about ?3 yrs I see way longer time posters talking about DU'rs who didn't vote for the Democratic nominee or stayed home and the terrible results bc of that.

So yeah, we need to a combo of shore each other up, make certain everyone here votes (most likely) for Biden, have as many posters try to do at least a bit of GOTV w family, friends, perhaps on line phone calling to certain more contested States or even Blue States (for Congress as well!). Those who can also donate, do so. 👍

I did the on line phone calling and will do so again in '24. Maybe be I'll check out sensitive Congressional races for this year, too.

[Aristus]

89. Sometimes you have to preach to the choir.

It's how you get them to sing.

[Think. Again.]

20. At the risk of getting slammed...

...We all know that everthing is on the line with the coming election.

I think we should be careful about creating any more division between ourselves and those who could be willing to vote AGAINST Biden's opponents.

[Upthevibe]

23. spooky3.....

100%...........

I STILL haven't gotten over Nader and 2000 (and never will). I NEVER felt sure that Hillary would be elected. I knew what the right-wing had been doing to the Clinton's since the 90's............ Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, The Arkansas Project, and on and on and one.....

[LetMyPeopleVote]

25. Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 as well as the fate of Roe v. Wade and VRA

Link to tweet

[paleotn]

38. SCOTUS is on the ballot every 4 years.

Who could have predicted Ginsburg and Scalia leaving the land of the living when they did?

[Autumn]

40. At their age and their health death was a possibility for some time before they died.

Anyone who paid attention could have predicted their deaths were coming. I don't know why they feel the have to die in office. It's not like they are paupers and need to stay working.

[machoneman]

77. Power. It's all about the power a SC justice had and it is overwhelming to the justices.

[Autumn]

91. Yes that is it. That court should be abolished. The whole system for selecting judges to any court

should be abolished. They are governement employees and should be hired and fired as such and not appointed by presidents. When the country was founded it made sense as educated people were rare and a lifetime appointment made sense, now lawyers are a dime a dozen and worth even less.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

86. And yet we were told by some that this was NOT an issue

[Autumn]

90. That has nothing to do with Scalia' obesity and heart issues, which any fool could see he was having

and Ginsberg's well known bouts with cancer. Both should have retired when they got ill and the SC would not be an issue, the problem is that that fucking court has been weaponized. We get it. Some people just didn't like Hillary and they did not want to vote for her. Some people do not see either party as an answer to all things. Their vote is their vote. Not yours.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

93. Stein supporters and Hillary haters need to be held to account for the overturn of Roe

Each person's vote is their vote but such votes have consequences. It was clear in 2016 that the control of the SCOTUS and the fate of Roe was on the ballot. I donated to, supported and worked on the Clinton campaign because I knew that control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot and I was right. Stein supporters and other Hillary haters attacked anyone who claimed that the SCOTUS was an important issue. I saw this as a Clinton delegate to the Philadelphia convention where my youngest child and I were yelled at and attacked for supporting Hillary. The issue of control of the SCOTUS was raised and the only response was the same as Gray's response quoted above.

The TFG campaign relied on and were able to take control of the SCOTUS due to:

Some people just didn't like Hillary and they did not want to vote for her. Some people do not see either party as an answer to all things. Their vote is their vote. Not yours.

The people who voted for Stein are responsible for the overturning of Roe and they need to take responsibility for their vote.

I am happy that Nina Turner was defeated a couple of times due to her attacks on Hillary Clinton and I still either mute the TV or change channels when Eddie Glaude is on. The people who helped elect TFG should be held responsible their votes.

[Autumn]

94. Bullshit. The SC needs to be held accountable for overturning Roe V Wade. Why wasn't it codified?

You are old enough to know how voting works. It is on the politician running to get the attention of people and their vote. No politician is owed a persons vote, except in your world. If they get it they win or if they don't they lose. You have no say on who people must vote for. That's all on the politician running.

By the way, had Biden ran against Trump in 16 he would have won easily. IMHO

[LetMyPeopleVote]

105. The Stein voters and Hillary haters need to be held accountable for the over turning of Roe v. Wade

Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 despite the claims of Stein supporters/Hillary haters. Brie Gray and others were all pushing the TFG talking point that control of the SCOTUS did not matter. As you noted in your post, TFG won due to these individuals:

Some people just didn't like Hillary and they did not want to vote for her. Some people do not see either party as an answer to all things. Their vote is their vote. Not yours.

The persons who voted for Stein or who hated Hillary for whatever sad reason got TFG elected.

Link to tweet

The only real choices on the ballot were voting for Hillary Clinton and protecting the rights under Roe or helping TFG become POTUS and giving the Federalist Society control over the SCOTUS for the foreseeable future. The people who voted for Stein or otherwise helped TFG be elected need to accept responsibility for their actions or vote.

I voted to protect the rights under Roe and I am proud of my vote. I hope that the people who helped TFG become POTUS take responsibility for their actions or votes. I am proud of my vote and the support that I gave to Hillary Clinton. As noted above, if Hillary Clinton has been elected:

SCOTUS would be 6-3 liberal justices. Abortion rights protected, voting rights stronger, & Medicare for All possible in the future without SCOTUS killing it.

BTW, one of the things that makes Joe Biden special is his empathy and love of his family. It would not have been appropriate to force Joe Biden to run after the prolong illness and death of his son. I was very happy to support Joe Biden in the 2020 election and to work on his voter protection team.

Again, I am proud of my vote and support for Hillary Clinton. I am sad that Stein supporters and Hillary haters are still defending their actions in helping elect TFG.

[William769]

108. This

"Again, I am proud of my vote and support for Hillary Clinton. I am sad that Stein supporters and Hillary haters are still defending their actions in helping elect TFG."



The hate that people showed for Hillary was just rediculous, unfounded & stupid.

Hillary has shown nothing but grace as a public figure.

[betsuni]

113. I still want to know what exactly was so terrible about Hillary. Why was that election one big

personal attack? Democratic policy platform now and then is about the same, she's the same, hasn't changed throughout her career, decades getting things done for progress.

Now I see people agreeing with "Hillary was right about everything" and think, then why did you think she was Satan a few years ago? What was the lust to hate her for nothing? Because of the magic insult-word "establishment"? That's it?

[Hortensis]

116. Well, at least they've become a lot fewer. Must be getting kinda lonely

for those who'd do it all over again.

At least intractable hard cores should be able to understand the problems of their counterparts on the right, constantly defending and denying their roles in losing SCOTUS to extremists for probably a generation, the deaths over over a million people from Covid, kidnapping and tormenting children, rolling back women's and minority rights, and sickeningly on and on.

At least those who refused to vote for HRC are not here bothering us with pathetic attempts to justify what can never be.

[betsuni]

119. Nina "I'm right! I'm right!" Turner encouraged the Forward Party the other day. Still at it.

One of the most pathetic justifications is that third parties are necessary because those bad bad Democrats think they're "owed a person's vote." Where did I see that? Oh yes, here. Dems taking everyone for granted and ignoring them. Teach them a lesson, don't you know. It's all about personal revenge. Who cares if Republicans destroy the country if Democrats are punished by losing and have to go back to the coal mines or mopping floors at the Burger Palace? That'll show them!

[intelpug]

118. Stein/Hillary haters

So,,. How exactly do you "Hold them accountable?"

[Cha]

110. You're Wrong.. Stein's Lies & that Fucking

Susan Sarandon's LIES in Swing States helped propel Putin's Puppet trump into Our WH House and Spread his GD Fascism throughout America.

Link to tweet

There's Notjing funny about the Damage that trump has done to America and the Planet.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

114. The usual illogical response from the anti-Hillary brigade

You're arguing an ought when we who are sane are dealing with an is. It hadn't been codified, so your attempt at a justification for voting to keep the thug party in office is moot. In the world of is, it mattered to vote for SCOTUS because SCOTUS had final say.

And you know what your hatred of Hillary blinded you to?

CODIFYING WAS NO GUARANTEE OF ANYTHING.

You could codify to kingdom come, and SCOTUS can still override legislation by declaring it unConstitutional--and this one would have. Every sane perso knows that. So even if it had been codified, the SCOTUS would have remained important to keep it codified.

That, too, is an ***is,*** not an ought. The ought arguments fail because they're based on wishful thinking. What you think ought to be isn't necessarily what is, or even what can ever be. The sun won't rise in the north because you think it "ought" to. It rises in the East, because that's how it ***is***, and no wishful thinking can change it.

When you live in the world of is, you're living in the world of reality. Because what is = what is real. And that's reality.

QEbloodyD.

[betsuni]

115. It's the usual "Why didn't Democrats stop ___ ?" insinuation they have the power to do anything

they want (like codify) but don't because they're the same as Republicans and only pretending to be progressive. Why some of them think the Democratic Party is the real enemy of progress, worse than Republicans.

[Autumn]

122. Don't give up your day job to be a psychic. I don't hate Hillary. I voted for her.

I caucused for her the first time she ran. She was my favorite First Lady she did more for the American people than any other FL has. As for Jill Stein, she runs in damn near every election. If you don't want third parties to run for president change the Constitution. Or make damn sure you neuter them in the primaries. You don't want supreme court judges that are fucking crazy like Boof boy and his Crony and corrupt fools like Thomas who overturn settled laws ? Change the rules put in some oversight and make them follow them. Don't hate people who are exercising their Constitutions right to vote their choice just as you do and those who sadly enough qualify to run for office because all it takes is money.

Now you go have a nice day.

[Nixie]

123. This is just anger at losing --twice --at this point. Nothing you are

saying even makes sense, especially if you have to go out and explain to people how much damage throwing a fit against a Democratic nominee has cost.

Even Bernie couldn’t find a way to string together his impossible wish list especially to young people given that the power handed over to the SC has set us back decades. There’s no campaigning on that, so defending it anymore suggests there is another motivation for doing so.

[Autumn]

124. Well Nixie I hope you have a really nice day too.

[Nixie]

125. "neuter them in the primaries". How unrealistic is that.

A third party holding a popularity contest and smearing with no accountability in our system creates an immediate conflict. Better to let the third parties sink or swim on their own, as it should be. It’s also better to insist that losers step aside early and not smear our nominee. That has been the conventional wisdom in politics —for a reason.

You have a great day, too!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

126. Lawrence: SCOTUS justices of 3 GOP presidents ended Roe. 'Your vote lives after you.'

The fate of Roe v. Wade and control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016. The fate of Roe was also on the ballot in 1988 and 2000 when each of the Bushes were elected.  

Link to tweet

I voted for the Democratic candidate in each of the 1988, 2000 and 2016 Presidential races. Those voters who did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 are responsible for the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

50. The three Mango Mugabe' put in

Are going to be around a long time. Fuck you, Stein voters. Thanks for the chaos.

[PortTack]

29. Boosting!

[Hortensis]

31. Many realized their mistake long ago and really don't need this.

That leaves those who'll still be despising Democrats when they're drooling over their walkers for all the problems of the world. AND nonvoters who are still unengaged.

Left-leaners among latter are the ones we need, but sugar will work better than vinegar. And I'm guessing scary pokes from the right more than what Democrats have always offered.

[moreland01]

32. To those who keep saying

that 2024 is the most important election in our lifetimes . . . .I believe that 2016 was the most important election in our lifetimes and we lost. We've been wreaking the consequences ever since.

[inthewind21]

95. Bingo!

[Rabrrrrrr]

102. I'd take that back to 1980. Without Reagan, the GOP and the fundy Christians

would have been quite unlikely to have formed their unholy alliance, and the GOP wouldn't have been getting pushed to the extreme fascist (fake) Christian side for 40+ years.

Reagan's publicly non-chalant racism and homophobia made it okay to be publicly mean, and he began to normalize a refusal to compromise, though that wouldn't be really solidified as strategy until Bush I's term when he got punished so severely for compromising and then Newt Gingrich showing up, and bringing his Contract with America, even while Clinton was leading us through an economic boomtime and national safety. No Contract with America, no Tea Party GOP. No Tea Party GOP, no MAGA.

But in my eyes, no Reagan means no unholy alliance between the fundies and the GOP. Reagan is the only higher-up political leader to ever take the nutbags seriously and he normalized their idiocy and gave them power when they should have remained in the margins where they'd (quite rightfully) been for 150+ years because they didn't want to be tainted with worldly things. But Falwell and Tim LeHaye and a few others said "Hey, we could make more money if we got into politics" and Reagan said, "Hey, I'd love to be your puppet! Tell me what to do!" and the rest is a terrifying history.

[Cha]

109. Yes That was then &

this is NOW. Where once Again It Is the Most Important Election of Any Time.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

33. KR NT

[tavernier]

34. Nice one!

Agree on all points.

[paleotn]

37. Absolutely!

[Blue Owl]

39. K&R

[GenThePerservering]

42. This, again

[Iggo]

43. Yeah, let's start that fight again.

Fuck unity. Let’s fight each other! Woo-hoo!!!

[cab67]

46. These people were very selfish.

They thought the purity of their ideals was more important than the effort to keep an ignorant, bigoted loudmouth from undoing whatever progress we’d made over the previous 8 years.

[mcar]

47. This +1000!

[Hotler]

52. Well bless your heart. nt

[texasfiddler]

56. I agree. Voting 3rd party is stupid.

[Nixie]

53. Thanks for this. It's amazing there are still some here who keep

pushing third party talking points as if they haven’t been shown to be completely useless. This is so tiresome.

[texasfiddler]

55. Unification is key in a two party system.

The crux of your post is simple and true. A third-party vote in 2016 is a vote for tRump. A third-party vote in 2024 is a vote for tRump. Otherwise, the cultists, racists, gun humpers, and science deniers get to run our government and we are Fucked.

[betsuni]

57. Thankfully more and more people understand how things work in reality and there are

fewer and fewer loud angry voices trying to convince them not to vote for Democrats. No more money in it, shrinking audience. The insult-buzzwords have mostly disappeared. It's nice not having to fight misinformation every day, satisfying how few still stubbornly repeat the old lies and how quickly those are debunked because nobody's in the mood for bullshit anymore. If you want to play games go to an arcade, indeed.

[pazzyanne]

61. I can't help remembering Hillary win the popular vote in 2016.

She won 2.9 by million! That tfg became president is incomprehensible!

[C Moon]

62. jesus!

[chwaliszewski]

63. That horse has been dead for a while.

Please stop beating it.

[spooky3]

82. Have you not heard about RFK Jr, Manchin, or No Labels? The issue is current. Nt

[Oopsie Daisy]

84. Exactly! Thank you! The false belief that this is a "dead horse" issue--

Exactly! Thank you! The false belief that this is a "dead horse" issue is one that almost certainly guarantees that it will happen again. And, based on what I've seen elsewhere on the internet (ie: other sites) the users out there who most loudly object to others who point out the facts of history and the continued risks, are generally the ones who promote third party candidates and talking points.

[chwaliszewski]

85. Of course I have.

But when the same thing from years back keeps getting brought up, then this place feels like an echo chamber. Considering most people here support Biden, then why do we need the dead horse beating?

[inthewind21]

97. Yep

Nothing to see here. Please move along!

[chwaliszewski]

117. There is something to see here...

the same message, ad nauseum. I vote Democrat every election; my loyalty is not in question. However, it gets boorish to keep seeing the same thing over and over. Yes, it sucks Hillary lost. But come on, how many times do we have to hear it? How about instead focusing on the upcoming election and not one from seven years ago.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

106. This is not a dead issue

In addition to No Labels, Stein and Putin are pushing another green party candidates to help TFG win

Link to tweet

[GenThePerservering]

64. Continually dragging this up

is actually kind of MAGATy - don't want to grapple with current issues? Let's dig up the past and create distraction! We ALL have 20/20 vision, don't we?

ENOUGH.

Let's look to the future. In unity.

[betsuni]

65. "Let's dig up the past and create distraction!"

Who did that in 2016, 2020 and will do so in 2024? Not Democratic voters.

Those who voted for Democratic nominees had 20/20 vision then because they didn't fall for obvious misinformation and lies. ENOUGH.

[William769]

70. ...

[Paladin]

74. Well said. (nt)

[William769]

69. I would argue this is a current affair

We have already seen threads pop up about third party with an incumbent President!

You need to understand the past in order to see the path of our future.

With your coment "is actually kind of MAGATy", tells me all I need to know about you.

[Oopsie Daisy]

96. You make a good argument, and keen observations, too!

[GenThePerservering]

101. By that comment,

you obviously know nothing about me.

[William769]

67. Beware, some of them still float around here.

Some of us have long memories.

While we do forgive, we never forget.

[betsuni]

68. +1

[LetMyPeopleVote]

78. I will never forgive Eddie Glaude or forget this article

Link to tweet

[spooky3]

80. Agree nt

[Pototan]

71. My thoughts, exactly (NT)

[Aristus]

87. And all you fuckbrains who fancy yourselves independent thinkers, and want to "shake things up":

If the four-year period from 2017 to 2021 didn't "shake things up" enough for you, then turn in your voter registration card. You've proven you cannot be trusted with the sacred democratic obligation of voting in the best interests of your country.

I never, ever want to hear again that somebody voted for a paralyzingly unqualified, incompetent, unpatriotic scumbag because he wanted to "shake things up".

[betsuni]

112. +1

[TeamProg]

92. This makes about as much sense as blaming Dems for not doing enough to prevent Global Warming.

Do you see that?

Some Dems and environmentalists tried really hard, other Dems not so much, and now we have Anthropological Climate Change.

Are you going to blame the "not so much" Dems or blame Republicans & oil companies for warm bath-water temp oceans?

So, when DID you stop driving your internal combustion fossil fuel burning transportation? You haven't?!
Oh, okay..



Yes, I voted for Hillary and I'm pissed that she lost.

[SYFROYH]

99. I'm sure they'll all get in line now after that tweet.

[Snackshack]

104. There will never

Be a time when they can “right their wrong”.

DT and company killed way too many for that to ever happen.

[debm55]

107. On point tweet.

[Chakaconcarne]

111. While you're at it... tweet for those who didn't vote for Gore.

[Rob H.]

121. Wow, it's actually been six weeks since the last OP almost exactly like this one

A new record!