As per CNN, the jurors who indicted TFG have been doxxed. They're receiving death threats

[LetMyPeopleVote]

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[Fullduplexxx]

1. anonymity on the internet needs to end

[onecaliberal]

5. Yup.

[Ms. Toad]

50. So say two people using pseudonyms . . .

There are valid reasons for the use of psuedonyms on the internet. I've been doxxed (albeit before the internet) for (then) being a lesbian leader of a North American faith group. It's not fun.

So I generally make very careful choices about where I am anonymous on the internet and where I'm not. On some sites I'm as close to anonymous as I can get (public facing pseudonym, separate email for the site, registering using a pseudonum) and others I'm nearly completely open - ironically, one of those was to fight the refusal of a site to permit users to use pseudonyms.

A site promoting civil discussions across political, social, class, gender, gender identity, mental health, etc. boundaries required that real names be used in participating on the site. No amount of talking to them about the risks that posed to individuals they needed to attract to be diverse AND to speak openly about the unpopular areas of their lives (LGBTQI community, mental health, former prisoners - just to name a few) could convince them that they needed to permit the use of pseudonyms. When the site closed 3-4 years later, I was still the only openly LGBTQI participant in the conversations.

I don't have the same concerns about site owners knowing who you are, but public interactions can open a lot of vulnerable people to risks.

[marble falls]

68. Bingo. What we need are laws requiring internet providers to release information to law ...

... enforcement when anti doxing laws are broken.

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. I do not believe there is ANY anonymity on the internet.

Anyone committing crimes can be found.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

74. Having to get a court oder to get your info

Is far different from letting any psycho, creep or freak able to get your information, willy-nilly, because you had to make it publicly known.

Surely you understand the difference.

[Ferrets are Cool]

78. I will strongly disagree with you about your original statement.

We as a whole do not want our information floating out there for ANYONE to see. You can disagree...wont bother me at all. But NO, it doesn't need to end.

[CaptainTruth]

40. Huh? That would end my participation in this site, plus others.

Running my own business, I want to be able to freely express my political views, even harsh ones, without creating backlash for my business or being targeted & threatened by right-wing nutjobs. The only way I can do that is anonymously.

Do you really think that should be taken away?



Edit to point out that you're posting here as "Fullduplexxx" which I seriously doubt is your legal given name... so about ending anonymity...

[Ferrets are Cool]

79. Thank you.

[CaptainTruth]

83. Back at ya...

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

73. That makes no sense.

If they know who you are online, that makes it *easier* for the creeps to go after you.

Not no but hell no do I want to lose my ability to be online without putting my real name out there. Maybe if you'd ever had a stalker, you'd know just how dangerous your suggestion is. I've had one. It was no fun.

[Celerity]

75. So you want to doxx everyone? Madness. I do not want a bunch of randos here knowing

everything about my real life, other than what I chose to share (which is quite a lot actually, more than I probably should).

[gab13by13]

2. I was told that as soon as Kristen Clarke was confirmed,

this violence would be addressed.

I guess we can't violate Magat's 1st Amendment rights without some domestic terrorism laws.

[Justice matters.]

9. I thought "domestic terrorism" was illegal...

I know threatening anyone of death (killing) is, though.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. Did any 1-6 ers every get charged with that? Just read

that Feds can't find people who erected the pence gallows? Although they said it was symbolic because it wasn't big enough to really work. Ugh

[RunnoDeMille]

27. Although even in the time when lynchings were common...

... the noose & the hanging of the body were often symbolic as well. The victim may have already been murdered by shooting or deadly assault and then the body hung from a noose that may have already been set up or set up after the body was burned or defiled. The gallows displayed on Jan. 6 was a symbol of what would befall the MAGATS definition of "traitors" .. to America, to Trumpism, to Trump himself(anyone unwilling to carry the weight of the lawbreaking required to retain the Presidency), or to the solidarity needed to maintain a white nationalist front.

[gopiscrap]

86. welcome to DU

[TwilightZone]

46. There's no specific federal law in the US regarding domestic terrorism.

That's why they charge terrorists with other crimes.

"This raises the question: why no terrorism charges? The answer is straightforward: there is no federal charge of domestic terrorism."

https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-136/responding-to-domestic-terrorism-a-crisis-of-legitimacy/

[Initech]

3. They're really not helping their case as to why Trump shouldn't be indicted.

If anything, these fuckheads are making it worse.

[WarGamer]

4. To add missing context.

They were doxxed by the State of Georgia.

Goons simply found employers, addresses and phone numbers/email addys on Google.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

44. Georgia only provided names, which is not 'doxxing'.

You can't threaten an abstract name.

[WarGamer]

49. You're conflating issues

Releasing personal information thats publicly available and obtained legally is not a crime.

THREATS are a crime.

Bottom line, GA shouldn't have released the names.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

51. Bottom line, jurors should not be threatened.

[WarGamer]

55. agreed... 100%

Doing your civic duty shouldn't make you a target of MAGAT's.

[SouthernDem4ever]

80. Agreed and I hope they find those fuckers and lock them up

for the 20 year sentence they deserve.

[58Sunliner]

56. It's apparently the law in Georgia that the names will be included.

Supposed to promote transparency.

[happy feet]

62. By law, the names are always available post decision - don't blame Georgia's transparency

Don't blame Georgia. he blame belongs to those horrible people who took the names, then located their contact info in order to have them DOXXed.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

76. It damn sure is doxxing, even with the name

Some of us have names so unique that it makes it shockingly easy to find us.

I am the only person in the entire US with my first/last name combination. Think about how vulnerable that makes me to any kind of exposure online. It's painfully easy to find me, since I'm a homeowner. All you need to do is look for that public record, and now you know where to find me. It takes literally five seconds to find me by my real name.

If some DA tried to pull me as a GJ in Georgia, I would demand an exemption from service because the uniqueness of my name makes me more vulnerable than most people to stalkers, thugs, psychos and other assorted freaks. I'm fine with serving my country--been there, done that--but I will not have some hate-filled thug coming after me for something that, unlike the military, didn't require me to risk my life for it.

[inthewind21]

77. Well

If you made said demand I'm 99.9% sure you would not be sitting on any GJ in GA since it's their law.

[ecstatic]

61. GA has to do better next time. The names should not be published

at all for the rico trial. Give that assurance to the next set of jurors at least.

[ramen]

66. This is unfortunately a matter of state law, not improper official behavior.

Georgia releases the name of jurors for transparency. To change that (which makes some sense to me), Georgians should lobby Georgia's lawmakers to change the law. Until then, though, we should be clear that the state did not do anything improper with the release of these names.

[Quixote1818]

82. Yes MT went into this last week

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017855357

[captain queeg]

6. Do they realize these people aren't the ones who will be at his trial?

I suppose if would t matter to them. Not the brightest bulbs in the box.

[Grins]

11. Doesn't matter.

The MAGA thugs went after Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss AFTER the election was called.

When they did that poll working volunteers told their boards of election, “I’m done. Don’t call me for the next one. Or any one.”

[Qutzupalotl]

64. They might be trying to intimidate the next jury,

even before it's seated, so they rule the “right” way. Or they're stupid. Or both.

[yliza]

7. I really hope they find the doxxer

And throw the book at him/her.

[womanofthehills]

14. Georgia needs to change its policy ... their policy is to release names of grand jurors

From Berkshire Eagle:

CLAIM: Officials in Fulton County, Ga., forgot to redact the names of the grand jurors who indicted former President Donald Trump this week in relation to his actions following the 2020 election.

THE FACTS: It is standard that indictments in Georgia include the names of the grand jurors, in part because it provides defendants the opportunity to challenge the composition of the grand jury, legal experts told the AP. But after a grand jury indicted Trump as well as 18 others on Monday for their alleged efforts to overturn the results of his 2020 election loss in the state, some quickly spread a claim that officials erred in releasing the indictment by including the jurors’ names.

“In every felony case that I have handled in Georgia both as a former prosecutor and now defense lawyer, the names of the grand jurors have appeared on the Indictment,” Gabe Banks, a former Fulton County deputy district attorney, said in an email. Banks noted that indictments will usually show some names that are struck through, indicating jurors who were not present or didn’t vote. Adam Hames, a former Georgia assistant attorney general, likewise said that it’s “common practice to list the names of the grand jurors on the indictment.”

[Deuxcents]

17. Time has changed things..

The law needs to be updated to reflect these dangerous times, as you stated.

[calimary]

37. Yep. Definitely.

That ALL needs to be kept secret and NOT released to the public. Somebody’s gonna get hurt - or worse.

[hadEnuf]

69. Bingo.

These are organized, terroristic threats of murder and violence. When these original laws were passed we were not dealing with homicidal MAGATs trying to overthrow the government and the law.

We need new or updated laws to deal with this. NOW.

[LisaM]

21. You're right, but...

Most people probably wouldn't have known that they could find it, or where to do so. Someone disseminated it.

This is why - even though I know it's tempting - I don't think it's right to go to judges' houses. It's just not.

[PlutosHeart]

59. Exactly what did they

expect to happen? A fool would know this was a dangerous idea even if Georgia law.

[Blue Owl]

8. Fuckin' scum sacks

[prodigitalson]

10. but please don't take my mugshot!

[struggle4progress]

13. Sounds like Truth Social's owners and management need to be prosecuted

[wnylib]

24. Yes! They should have removed those dox posts.

Does this make Trump liable for them?

[liberalla]

15. WOW! Georgia law, up to 20 years in prison for doxxing!

Good law!

Just a shame that it's necessary...

[triron]

16. First of all put Trump in jail pending trial.

He's the root cause.

[Captain Zero]

52. Yes. If it's on his faux Twitter.

Nt

[The Roux Comes First]

19. We Are Way Overdue for Some Decent Domestic Anti-terrorism Laws

With all the recent proof that these vermin are spawning in our midst and being nourished by the re-nazi party.

[sakabatou]

20. Pretty much everyone here knew this would happen

[Roy Rolling]

22. Digital Protective Custody

This is 2023, why is law enforcement in the horse and buggy era?

Everyone knew this was coming. Why wasn’t law enforcement on the other end of the telephone, email, and physical addresses to intercept those illegal contacts?

Seriously, people are in danger but law enforcement is protecting and serving somewhere the fuck else?

I’m livid. So I’ll post a meme.

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[LiberalLovinLug]

29. +1000

[AZLD4Candidate]

38. No, it's confirmation bias. It all comes down to that.

[Ray Bruns]

48. I'm getting that made into a bumper sticker.

[Hortensis]

84. Love the meme, but law enforcement is on it.

We should not assume it's nothing because we are told nothing. This is hardly the first GA grand jury with significant security issues.

I noticed one reported respectable and reasonable attempt to contact each of them early on that received 0 responses, forget by who and for what.

[roamer65]

23. Untruth Social needs to be busted by the FBI.

[Aussie105]

25. Cornered rats will do strange things.

Objecting to the decision after it was made and being abusive to those who made it, won't change anything.

Hope the law agencies in that part of the woods are actively on the ball.

Going to turn off anyone called up in the future for jury duty though.

No doxxing involved, but that part of the legal process needs some serious reconsideration.

Any legal action from next of kin of jurors who meet will foul play will see to that.

[TheBlackAdder]

34. They haven't reached their baby-eating stage. I'm sure that's approaching.

[AZLD4Candidate]

26. Since LEOs are mostly trumpers to begin with, I view them as the American Freikorps

Weimar Republic reference.

As Rage Against the Machine said: Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses

The police are trumpers at heart. . .they work forces and will burn crosses. And they will get away with it because of badge sniffers, cop apologists, and corrupt police unions that defend bad cops to the death.

[GP6971]

30. Not all LEOs are trump humpers.

I know many are, but a lot aren't.

[AZLD4Candidate]

31. Not all Germans were Nazis either, but. . .

Not all American soldiers slaughter native Americans, but. . .

[GP6971]

32. You just proved my point. n/t

[AZLD4Candidate]

33. Doesn't excuse it if not all. One is too many.

It's the same argument I use when I get into an argument with the Japanese who come here and dismiss the Rape of Nanking.

300,000 people weren't killed. Only 40,000 were.

One is too many.

[GP6971]

35. I agree.

I just don't like broad brush descriptions...it's not one size fits all.

[AZLD4Candidate]

36. We do it about Republicans here. Broad Brush

If you disagree, you don't like it.
If you agree with the broad brush, then keep it going.

Sorry, I find what you're saying intellectually dishonest.

[GP6971]

39. You're entitled to your opinion

as am I.

[hadEnuf]

70. MAGATs are badge sniffers when it suits them.

They despise the police. Don't be fooled. But when the police are doing their bidding for them then they are wonderful.

[Hekate]

28. We are being steadily pushed away from transparency in law: a right of the accused to know ...

…exactly who is accusing them, the right to be judged by people known to their community, the right to know exactly who the judge is.

The fascists and trolls are destroying so much we have always taken for granted: the assurance that we are not the kind of country that murders its public servants. Poll workers, school teachers, college professors, mayors and city councilmembers, juries and judges. All the people who make a community and who make a decent democratic society.

[Kablooie]

42. SCOTUS decided that political donors can remain anonymous.

And can donate as much as they want, anonymously.
It's insane.

[Kablooie]

41. Boy, who's going want to be on one of Trump's juries?

It will be dangerous and could ruin your life to be a juror who votes Trump guilty.
It's truly insane, what this has become.

[hadEnuf]

72. It has become this way because there is no real deterrent to make it stop.

Maybe once and a while one of these domestic terrorists will be quietly arrested, trialed and jailed, if anything at all. But it is so common now that it barely makes the news anymore. But it is happening more and more.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

43. The 'system' needs to be very quick and noisy about shutting them down.

[triron]

53. Put Trump in jail pending trial for starters.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

54. I'll drink to that. traitortrump should've been jailed when they had to retrieve docs.

[Cha]

45. No Shit Sherlocks... It went so

on J6.

Who didn't see that coming?

[William769]

47. If there ever was a need for xanax.

[Brainfodder]

57. That is only news worthy if they didn't IMHO!

[Quixote1818]

58. This broke last week. Nt

[ecstatic]

60. chilling effect on the jury pool

If I'm called, I will serve no matter what (assuming they let me, lol). But this type of thing will make the jury more likely to be stacked with trumpers because regular people may not want to get involved. It's very disturbing and exactly what trump wants.

[B.See]

63. IMO, People like Trump, who incite and/or encourage threats, intimidation, and acts of violence

Should be held criminally and civilly LIABLE for any resulting actions.

[NowISeetheLight]

65. Automatic

Georgia law, up to 20 year prison sentence for doxxing.

ANYONE caught doing this needs to get the maximum automatically. People have died during doxxing attacks. There's nothing innocent or funny about this.

The whole concept of trying to terrorize citizens doing their civic duty by serving on a jury is abhorrent. Make an example of these doxxers and lock them up. No pleas... No mercy.

[flying_wahini]

67. Uncover the people who threaten them.

Give them a taste of ……

[Quixote1818]

81. Midas Touch had a video about this last Friday that was posted on DU

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017855357