Jenna Ellis discovers the truth...

[brooklynite]

[niyad]

1. Dear Goddess, you really are a clueless little twit. How did you ever pass

the bar?

[relayerbob]

5. I think it's likely she never passes up bars

She certain;y doesn't sound sober

[SpamWyzer]

29. If one can afford

a law education, one generally can become a lawyer...it isn't that hard in some places. Like being a doctor from a Caribbean "university", you get the title and the degree. And MUCH malpractice insurance!!!

[Ms. Toad]

41. Not true.

You have to have a degree from an accredited US law school (in all but a few states) to even sit for the bar exam. And you have to pass the bar exam, which is easy if you know the law and are a good test-taker, but not if you lack either of those. Most states use the same exam, so there isn't much forum-shopping available. The three I can think of off the top of my head which use a different one are harder to pass.

I had one student who took 11 tries to pass, and she wasn't particularly dumb. She was just a bad treat-taker.

That doesn't mean bad lawyers don't exist - but you can't just shop for a lousy school and set up shop once you graduate.

[Conjuay]

67. I always found it amusing

that you are only permitted to take the Mensa exam once, if you ‘fail’, you fail. Yet you can have multiple tries on the a bar exam.

[Ms. Toad]

69. There is a (theoretical) difference.

Mensa is supposed to measure raw intelligence (not tied to a specific subject). The bar exam is (in theory) intended to measure basic competency in a specific subject area (i.e. the law). In theory you could learn what you did not know between bar exams, whereas (in theory) there's nothing you can do to increase your raw intelligence (other than master the test).

In reality they are closer than theory. I can put the students who fail the bar exam repeatedly in roughly two categories: Those who don't really have a mastery of the law (and they are not likely to make good attorneys) and those for whom the test does not measure basic competency.

A really simple example of that is the gender gap. Study after study has shown that (as a general rule) men perform better on multiple choice questions. 50% of the bar exam is multiple choice. It wasn't that was previously - most states used the multistate multiple choice section and their own essays. The multiple choice section was not weighted as heavily. In Ohio, on the old version (33% multiple choice) men passed at a 3% higher rate than women. When we ran similations (to help decide whether to adopt the uniform bar exam), only changing the weight of the multiple choice section to 50%, men would theoretically pass at a 6% higher rate than women. Every state that ran simulations had the same result: men passed at a higher rate than women (despite the fact that law school rank is the opposite) and shifting to more weight on multiple choice gave them an even greater advantage.

I have students (both genders) whose scores on the multiple choice section are so low that they have to write nearly perfect essays to pass. And many of those would easily pass an oral exam on the same content.

The same is true for students for whom English is a second language. I used actual old questions to train my students for the multiple choice and encountered a lot of English phrases that my ESL students had never encountered. The one I recall is "hold up" as in "used a gun to hold up a bank." We all know what that means - but it was a phrase they had never encountered before. A second barrier for those students (and increasingly US students) is handwriting. Some of the tests have simulated handwriting (as an example of a file you might need to review as an attorney) ESL students, especially those from a character-based language, can't read handwriting (simulated or otherwise).

So, while I'm not familiar with biases built into hte mensa test (I'm sure there are some), I am intimately familiar with those built into the bar exam. And I expect they are more simliar than different from that perspective.

[Siwsan]

42. Graduates of overseas medical schools do have to take a qualifying exam to practice in the states.

I used to credential physicians and that was one element that needed verification.

That being said, I credentialed physicians who graduated from over seas schools who were excellent physicians and physicians who graduated from Ivy League medical schools that I wouldn't trust to trim my fingernails.

[Trueblue1968]

62. he won't help you financially .... BECAUSE HE HATES YA'LLS GUYS .... Turn on him Jenna !!!!

[Wingus Dingus]

2. Is there literally a MAGA, Inc.?

Either way...that she thought Trump would pay her bills....

[FakeNoose]

21. If there is, then Chump probably owns it

It could be one of his companies that imports cheap junk from China and sells for a ridiculous mark-up.
I don't know.

On the other hand, she maybe made this term up to challenge Chump's base without pissing him off too much.

[Wingus Dingus]

37. Yes, it might be the shitty red hat/merchandise enterprise.

Last edited Mon Aug 21, 2023, 06:25 PM - Edit history (1)

I forgot about that.

[pandr32]

46. Yes! There is a MAGA Inc.

I looked it up after reading this discussion.
It is a super pac that made over $73,000,000 during the 2021-22 election cycle to help fund you know who.

[Wingus Dingus]

49. Thanks!

[Tanuki]

57. It sounds like Murder, Inc.! 🤣🤣🤣

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder,_Inc.

"Murder, Inc. (Murder, Incorporated) was an organized crime group active from 1929 to 1941 that acted as the enforcement arm of the National Crime Syndicate – a closely connected criminal organization that included the Italian-American Mafia, the Jewish Mob, and other criminal organizations in New York City and elsewhere.[1] Murder, Inc. was composed of Jewish and Italian-American gangsters, and members were mainly recruited from poor and working-class Jewish and Italian neighborhoods in Manhattan and Brooklyn. It was initially headed by Louis "Lepke" Buchalter and later by Albert "Mad Hatter" Anastasia.

Murder, Inc. was believed to be responsible for between 400 and 1,000 contract killings,[2] until the group was exposed in 1941 by former member Abe "Kid Twist" Reles. In the trials that followed, many members were convicted and executed, and Abe Reles himself died after suspiciously falling from a window. Thomas E. Dewey first came to prominence as a prosecutor of Murder, Inc. and other organized crime cases, before being elected to become the 47th governor of New York.[3]"...(more)

[Wingus Dingus]

58. Never heard of that! Interesting.

Yes, MAGA Inc. certainly does sound about as sinister...

[Tanuki]

59. There was a bestselling book and a film noir...check out the movie trailer!

[Cha]

68. lol.. he doesn't Even pay his own.

[Wingus Dingus]

70. Yeah, the guy who won't pay his own bills is

certainly going to pay for some piss-ant staffer's legal defense...

[KJohnson]

3. Why isn't a man who . . .

. . . cares only about himself helping others? The question answers itself.

[niyad]

23. Welcome to our DU family.

[pandr32]

47. Spot on!

[Deep State Witch]

50. You're going to fit in well here!

Welcome to DU!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

52. +1. Welcome to DU. . . nt

[Ocelot II]

4. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is she?

Jenna, dear, did the clue bird finally shit on your head and remind you that your great orange hero doesn't help anybody? Ever? No matter what you did for him, no matter that you and your dumbass coconspirators are looking at jail time on account of your boneheaded plot to stuff his fat orange ass back into the White House. How's the increasingly crowded undercarriage of that bus looking to you now?

[617Blue]

17. She does work without any written agreements?

What kind of lawyer does that?

[Ocelot II]

27. A stupid one. Not that TFG honors written agreements either.

[617Blue]

64. At least she'd have the basis of a claim

idiots one and all.

[Fullduplexxx]

6. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Welcome to the "find out" part

[yardwork]

7. What is MAGA, Inc.?

[Lochloosa]

12. Fund raising arm for the orange Jesus. I'm not providing a link...but we have to fight Soro's.

🇺🇸 DEFEND OUR MOVEMENT 🇺🇸

There is absolutely NOTHING the Democrats could throw at President Trump to force him out of the presidential election.

We have a country to save – and nothing can stand in our way.

Please make a contribution to peacefully stand with President Trump as Democrats try to throw everything they can at him to force him out of the race.

[yardwork]

25. I don't hear anything about defending Jenna Ellis in that email.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

8. Who is surprised by this?

TFG demands loyalty but is not loyal to his supporters/goons

[Hortensis]

22. :) HER, of course. They are amazing!

Michael Cohen's feelings are still bad hurt. He's been making a living badmouthing The Defendant, but I've always had the feeling he longed to rush back to the feet of his leader -- if only he'd be allowed back into The Presence.

[Demobrat]

63. Yep he's like a spurned lover

who can’t stop badmouthing the ex but would take them back in a hot second.

[MLAA]

9. Lots of friends when you are helping the steal, not so much when you are indicted.

It takes a special kind of idiot to trust TFG to help you after seeing the thousands he has screwed over throughout the last 40+ years and that’s just the ones we know of.

[dembotoz]

10. plenty of company under that bus

say hi to rudy

[Swede]

11. Golly, EVERYONE told you Trump doesn't pay his bills.

But, Jenna, you do you.

[madaboutharry]

13. She seems shocked to discover the meaning of "a one way street."

Trump has only been there for one person, himself.

Hitching your wagon to a narcissistic sociopath is never a winning strategy.

Jenna Ellis exists in my no empathy zone.

[Wounded Bear]

14. Why, indeed?

[617Blue]

15. Grown ass woman. You made your choices.

God the whining. Go get a job and make your own money in a respectable honest way.

[Takket]

16. Why... Jenna...

You have told us all what a great and successful lawyer you are, compared to us brain dead libtards. Why would anyone as successful as you need funding to begin with?

[Walleye]

18. Plenty of minimum wage jobs available

[Recycle_Guru]

19. hahahahaha!!! sucks to be you!

stupid useful idiot

[maxrandb]

20. She suffers from "delusions of adequacy"

[marble falls]

24. So now she's concerned about inequality and unfairness. He's hoping she takes the fall while ...

... he skips. His lawyer probably told him something like, "if you support them through the trial it might look like a continuing criminal enterprise."

Nah. He's just what he always was: a greedy bastard who thinks everything on the table belongs to him, while she remains what she always was: a fool and a sucker.

[wnylib]

31. He doesn't have enough money to

support his co-conspirators financially, even if he were the kind of person who would do that. He needs all the money he can grift for his own defense and his campaign.

Psst, Jenna. He is not as wealthy as he pretends to be.

[marble falls]

32. What? You mean to say he's really not a billionaire???

[wnylib]

34. Shocking, isn't it?

[marble falls]

36. I am shocked TFG would lie and mislead us like that. I am bigly surprised.

[wnylib]

38. So is Jenna.

[marble falls]

39. And ain't it grand? And she's still not completely convinced he's ghosting her lawyer.

[Rebl2]

26. He never intended too fund

those that were indicted. He could care less about people that support him. I have never heard of maga, inc. myself.

[Marthe48]

28. Normal is walking away from someone who uses you

I will tolerate being insulted a time or two, but if someone lies to me, treats me disrespectfully in other ways, I'm done. It isn't normal to expect good treatment from a bad person. There isn't a fairy with a wand that, with a tap on the head, transforms a taker into a giver. With traitor, even a couple of taps with a sledgehammer wouldn't make a difference.
traitor grabbed her by the wallet and will get away with it.

[Demobrat]

30. Well you could always flip on him.

Or at least you could if you were not afraid he would release the dogs.
You don’t matter Jenna. You have outlived your usefulness and now you are just trash to be discarded.

[Duppers]

33. ....

[3Hotdogs]

35. Cue Nelson.

[PatrickforB]

40. Well, not only are these rats going to begin jumping off the SS Trumpy, but they will be doing

FLIPS

as they go

[Demobrat]

45. Depends which they're more afraid of.

Prison or Trump supporters. Anyone who flips will have a target on their back, and anyone who doesn’t is looking at prison time.
And they think Trump is going to pay their lawyers.
Too funny!

[gibraltar72]

43. You thought you were special?

[hay rick]

44. Turns out Jenna is expendable.

Who'd a thunk?

[Johonny]

48. Trump's whole history is throwing people under the bus

But I thought I was special . . . oops!

[Evolve Dammit]

51. Because my gullible "loyalist", he doesn't give a fuck about you. Smell the coffee FCS

[GarColga]

53. Ellis is raising funds on GiveSendGo

So far she has raised 88,000 bucks. That should get her through a couple months maybe.

[TheRickles]

54. She's doing OK with crowdsourcing, over $88k so far.

[Mr. Ected]

55. Don't worry Jenna, we are reliably informed that the State of GA will be putting you up

For the next 5 to 20 years, so you won't need very much money at all.

[surfered]

56. Trump Only Cares About Trump

[lindysalsagal]

60. I don't care. Do you?

[Kennah]

61. It's free to flip

[prodigitalson]

65. a bigger principle than just one man?

yes, literally a conspiracy

[Qutzupalotl]

66. Wouldn't that be socialism?

[rubbersole]

71. I was looking at solicitation.