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pbmus

(13,141 posts)
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 04:26 PM Aug 2023

NoShit...

Last edited Tue Aug 22, 2023, 01:11 AM - Edit history (1)

2 died of Ebola: They said Obama should resign.

4 died in Benghazi: They had Hillary testify for 11 hours, held 33 hearings, and launched a 4-year probe.

402,000 Covid deaths, an armed insurrection & theft of classified documents: They cheered, and want Trump to be president.

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NoShit... (Original Post) pbmus Aug 2023 OP
Defies logic. Solly Mack Aug 2023 #1
Do not look for logic and reason MythosMaster Aug 2023 #2
For those of us who are reasonably intelligent... 3catwoman3 Aug 2023 #3
I don't think it's lack of intelligence mountain grammy Aug 2023 #6
A little from column A BaronChocula Aug 2023 #12
Trump is merely borrowing an old as time playbook... Moostache Aug 2023 #33
This should have 500 recs malaise Aug 2023 #4
They're Fucking Fascist Zombies.. Cha Aug 2023 #5
Very clearly written.....one more incidental, however.......... jaxexpat Aug 2023 #7
The power of mass brainwashing..... hadEnuf Aug 2023 #8
K&R Pathwalker Aug 2023 #9
The ambush in Niger Bristlecone Aug 2023 #10
I remember that trump said, "He knew what he signed up for." Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2023 #37
It's a cult and their Messiah can do no wrong. Scottie Mom Aug 2023 #11
Because if you act like a dumb shit... Half-step Aug 2023 #13
Brainwashed NowISeetheLight Aug 2023 #14
I can answer this ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #26
Seek not logic, rationality nor reasoned thought within the ... Whiskeytide Aug 2023 #15
There is a CANCER on the Republican Party, which has the potential Martin Eden Aug 2023 #16
That's the kind of ads I hope Dems will not shy of... Justice matters. Aug 2023 #17
You'd think it had nothing to do with the actual deaths drmeow Aug 2023 #18
The hypocrisy is breathtaking Blue Owl Aug 2023 #19
I saw a sign today. It was veterans for tRump. East Tennessee. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2023 #25
They seem to think that worse is better? 🙄 Lady Freedom Returns Aug 2023 #20
wag the dog works Takket Aug 2023 #21
It's all about who can they put in power that will be cruel and mean to Dems and Libs. nt Hotler Aug 2023 #22
yep orleans Aug 2023 #23
May I ask where the 763,044 number for covid deaths came from? Is this the number liberalla Aug 2023 #24
Americans dead at the time he left office...correct number is 402,000 pbmus Aug 2023 #27
K&R. William769 Aug 2023 #28
Lotsa reasons musclecar6 Aug 2023 #29
Don't forget greed and religion. Religion is a whole 'nother story, but... TreasonousBastard Aug 2023 #30
A lot more Covid deaths than that. we can do it Aug 2023 #31
Yup. And the Deplorables think its' great. Martin68 Aug 2023 #32
definitely much higher than 400k Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #34
Outrageous!! LeftLife Aug 2023 #35
K&R Emile Aug 2023 #36

Solly Mack

(96,943 posts)
1. Defies logic.
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 04:28 PM
Aug 2023

Though it's probably better for one's sanity not to think in terms of logic when it comes to right-wingers.

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
3. For those of us who are reasonably intelligent...
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 04:51 PM
Aug 2023

…and rational, it is hard to understand no matter how many explanations have been proferred.

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
6. I don't think it's lack of intelligence
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 05:16 PM
Aug 2023

as much as a lack of character, empathy, heart and basic decency. That said, I'm surrounded by them and interact with them everyday. A few, I think, are regaining sanity, but more than a few will vote their hate.

Moostache

(11,179 posts)
33. Trump is merely borrowing an old as time playbook...
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 11:32 AM
Aug 2023

There have been the obligatory comparisons to Hitler and Mussolini and other strongmen dictators. The situation was described decades back in the film "The American President" (the scene depicting this rhetoric as two things 1) making people afraid and 2) telling them who to blame for it.

Trump is an echo of pent up resentment from any number of causes - social, economic, geopolitical and more.

The Civil Rights era (and truthfully, the Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, Crack Cocaine epidemic, and everything else that came during and after) has never been fully realized and made whole. The Obama Presidency was a massive coalescence of many grievances and a convenient opportunity for a snake-oil salesman like Trump to step into.

BUT...that is also too easy to explain away Trumpism and the intentional delusion of 35% of Americans.

In addition to the potent mix of racial tension, justice denied and inequality, we had the 2008 Banking crisis that ushered out George W. Bush, erased his administration's war crimes and abuse of the American military and allowed him to simultaneously slink off into Crawford, TX and become a painter instead of being ushered into The Hague and facing war crimes tribunals. So at the same time, the banking system imploded, people everywhere saw neighbors evicted or laid off or both and no one in the lower 90% EVER recovered to be whole after that. I lost 5-figures off of my retirement accounts and while the gross number has returned over time, my compounding interest was destroyed and will never be regained. In the end, the Bush economy cost me well over $250,000 in lost, unrealized and never to be regained savings. And NO BANKERS WENT TO JAIL.

Finally, the basic fact of the matter is most Americans are ignorant, irrational reactive and borderline psychotics due to a broken education system, a failed reliance on religious institutions to maintain social cohesion in the face of forces that profit from preventing exactly that...and the willingness of amoral politicians to weaponize these tendencies against us all.

Our antiquated Electoral College and compromised Supreme Court have only served to underline one thing to the masses - "THAT" side (the rightwing) is 'winning' by controlling the decisions and getting the numbers to work by twice claiming the Presidency for a total of 12 years and decades worth of damage to the nation's soul AND stealing iron-clad control of the SCOTUS in the balance. Like it or not, we on the left has allowed the right to get away with these thefts and when we had the chance in 2009-2010 with a nominal 60-seat Senate advantage, control of the House and much narrower SCOTUS than now, we lost to the Tea Party histrionics and right wing nut job media. We should have not only allowed the GOP to shut down government, we should have demanded that it STAY shut down until we extracted concessions and changes in structure that would have alleviated the current morass before ti could be formed. Hindsight is a benefit we do not get in real time though...do not misinterpret that to mean we are to blame FOR the GOP, but we are responsible for not recognizing its eventual reach sooner.

Americans are dumb panicky animals (thank you Tommy Lee Jones circa "Men in Black&quot and they are also MASSIVE front-runners for winners (think of the 1980 Olympic Hockey team....before they beat the Russians, there may have been 100 people in the entire United States that could explain a two-line pass, a neutral zone trap and offsides and afterward? 42+ years after, those guys are STILL reverred - even if I lost a lot of respect for some of them in the intervening decades.

Americans love to be able to say that they are 'winning'...it was no accident that Trump used that exact language to hook many of his cult. It was effective and once on the hook? Well if there is one thing universally HATED in America it is admitting to mistakes and owning them in a binary political world where every two years is the "most important election in the history of the republic" and every two years the 'other side' is Satanic puppy drowning perverts hellbent on gaining control of you soul and using it to extract adrenochrome or other such nonsense.

The end result of this 60+ year slide from the hope of Camelot to the ashes of Trumpland? We are living with it now - a twice impeached, 2X popular vote loser, 4X indicted for 91 counts of felony offenses and convicted sexual abuser/rapist STILL holds sway over a half of our two party broken system.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
7. Very clearly written.....one more incidental, however..........
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 05:40 PM
Aug 2023

He successfully encouraged 35% of the population to hate the remaining 65%. What FDR put together, he managed to break because he wanted to be right instead of a useless pile of egoist scum.

Bristlecone

(11,111 posts)
10. The ambush in Niger
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 06:03 PM
Aug 2023
“All told, four U.S. soldiers and four Nigerien troops were killed in the ambush. Two U.S. and eight Nigerien troops were wounded.“


LaDavid Johnson specifically.

Republicans said jack shit about it. As far as I know, there is still not any details as to why they were there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/army-sgt-la-david-t-johnson-fought-end-after-ambush-n830681

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,505 posts)
37. I remember that trump said, "He knew what he signed up for."
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 02:58 PM
Aug 2023

I also remember that he insulted his grief-stricken widow. She was never even allowed to view his body. Her Congresswoman, Frederika Wilson, attempted to help Mrs. Johnson navigate the chaos during her sorrow and trump called her a lair, despite the fact that Congresswoman Wilson was SITTING IN THE ROOM listening to the phone call with the widow at the time.

trump is and has always been a fraud, a liar and a coward.

Scottie Mom

(5,838 posts)
11. It's a cult and their Messiah can do no wrong.
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 06:09 PM
Aug 2023

I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can support that orange piece of shit.

Is it that they are addicted to Faux Snooze?

Just plaint hatred of certain groups?

Revenge because they think he is getting even for them?

All of the above...and more?

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
14. Brainwashed
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 06:57 PM
Aug 2023

I blame Faux News, people like Rush Limbaugh, and technology. The rise of cable TV and the Internet have led the crazy to having access to the weak minded. In the old days people like racists had to drive to a burning cross in a field. Now the can log into Chan websites and read Qcrap from the comfort of their home.

I’m convinced these are among the most insecure people in America. Sure the Republicans are the party of the less educated statistically, but there are intelligent people too. How does someone with an advanced education and money end up supporting the cult? Same with seniors. I think it’s insecurity. The media plays up things like “migrant caravans”, we have endless stories about Fentanyl, it’s a clear and present danger. The Faux type media play up the great replacement theory and focus on inner city crime.

Insecure white people, some failures in real life, some not. But all agree “they” are threatening their “status quo”. When they talk about the “Good old days” they mean the days when Whites were clearly the majority. Now we are heading toward not being. Some like us white folks on DU are OK with that. A lot of people aren’t. The internet and instant news has given them a voice and a medium.

You won’t be able to reason with them. They’re insecure, scared, angry and brainwashed.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
26. I can answer this
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:53 AM
Aug 2023
How does someone with an advanced education and money end up supporting the cult?


Being smart at one thing doesn't mean one is smart about everything. Some very smart people have believed or thought utter rot. Socrates believed writing would make people forget things (it's actually the opposite for most people). Newton--a staggering genius--believed alchemy was real. Linus Pauling believed Vitamin C could cure anything. Joe Keenan, head of Atari, told Steve Jobs to get his "stink" personal computer out of his office and he'd never sell it (yes, that really happened!).

Nobody today can know everything. The breadth, depth and sheer complexity of what is out there is simply too much for one person--or even one computer!--to know everything about.

Some of us have the humility and the acquaintance with reality to admit that we don't know everything, and can leave what we don't know to those who do. And some people, including those we'd think would know better, will double down on their stupid, rather than admit they're wrong. They become so enamored of what they believe that nothing can convince them that they might be, you know, wrong.

Same thing with MAGAts whom one would think would know better, but they don't, because they're so convinced they're right that they can't admit they're wrong.

Whiskeytide

(4,656 posts)
15. Seek not logic, rationality nor reasoned thought within the ...
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:12 PM
Aug 2023

… mind of the MAGA. Such futile pursuits will leave one confounded and wholly void of satisfaction. The true explanation is sometimes elusive yet obvious and apparent with minimal reflection: 35% of our citizenry are assholes.

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
16. There is a CANCER on the Republican Party, which has the potential
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:32 PM
Aug 2023

... to be the DEATH of America.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
17. That's the kind of ads I hope Dems will not shy of...
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:43 PM
Aug 2023

Enough with kids gloves!

ALL Republicans don't care about YOU!

drmeow

(5,989 posts)
18. You'd think it had nothing to do with the actual deaths
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:53 PM
Aug 2023

and everything to do with political party and minority/gender status!

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
22. It's all about who can they put in power that will be cruel and mean to Dems and Libs. nt
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 09:48 PM
Aug 2023

liberalla

(11,089 posts)
24. May I ask where the 763,044 number for covid deaths came from? Is this the number
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 11:27 PM
Aug 2023

they were able to definitively pin on trump and/or his actions? I don't remember hearing a specific number for that before. Thanks.

musclecar6

(1,884 posts)
29. Lotsa reasons
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 05:27 AM
Aug 2023


People still think this guy is great. At this point, it's mainly stupidity, and/or ego. Can't do much about either one if people are determined to cling to either or both of those items.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
30. Don't forget greed and religion. Religion is a whole 'nother story, but...
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 06:23 AM
Aug 2023

a whole hell of lot of people are afraid of losing what little they have or the possibility of gaining more.

The railroad barons of the 19th century didn't give a shit about the deaths their trains caused, but did about the profits the made. Read more about Jim Fisk.

Might also want to read about the Johnstown flood.



One the more interesting things about it was that the steel and railroad biggies managed to distance themselves from any liability.
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