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applegrove

(132,222 posts)
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 06:57 PM Aug 2023

In Tanzania, Beijing is running a training school for authoritarianism

In Tanzania, Beijing is running a training school for authoritarianism

Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian, author of Axios China

This story, part of a series supported by the Pulitzer Center, is a joint investigation between Axios and Danish newspaper Politiken.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/21/chinese-communist-party-training-school-africa

"SNIP..........

DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania — The Chinese Communist Party is teaching African leaders its authoritarian alternative to democracy at its first overseas training school — the strongest evidence yet that Beijing is exporting its model of governing in its push to challenge the Western-led world order.

Why it matters: The Mwalimu Julius Nyerere Leadership School in Tanzania is Beijing's counter to efforts by the U.S. and other Western countries to shape African politics in a fight for influence on a continent rich in raw materials and energy. At the school, the CCP teaches how it fuses the ruling political party and the state, marking a clear departure from Beijing's previous, more subtle attempts to peddle influence on the international stage.

Cultivating an authoritarian-friendly political bloc could help China reshape global institutions and guarantee markets as Western sanctions seek to isolate certain Chinese industries. Such a bloc would also help the CCP deflect criticism for its human rights record and gain international support for its core interests, such as its territorial claims in the South China Sea.

Chinese and African government officials and Chinese state media have presented the school as a way to promote Africa's economic and social development, and they've cast the CCP's approach there as a way to alleviate poverty and spur economic development through training effective leaders.

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Applegrove:

Tanzania had the greatest leadership in the years after independence. It is so sad to see this.

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In Tanzania, Beijing is running a training school for authoritarianism (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2023 OP
sounds like the CIA good old days Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #1
School of the Americas, Chinese takeout version. hedda_foil Aug 2023 #4
Thread winner! Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #31
China, Russia, BRICS... the dumping of the $USD the world be changing. WarGamer Aug 2023 #2
sounds a bit melodramatic-- who is dumping the USD? some nations would love that Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #5
They certainly want to... WarGamer Aug 2023 #7
quite a long time--as article asks Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #8
I don't see a new global currency WarGamer Aug 2023 #9
based on their instability I don't see it Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #11
Control of their own national currency value versus the dollar...has brought stability to Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #33
Yep. Shackled to the American dollar not much different than shackled to a slave ship. Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #32
Africans can decide for themselves whether this is good for their nations Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #3
the US is doing the same--but not so assiduously Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #6
India and Brazil are BRICS nations... WarGamer Aug 2023 #10
that is true but that was always just an arbitrary grouping of developing Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #12
yet. WarGamer Aug 2023 #13
I will agree with that--definitely heading to less US centric world Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #14
India and Brazil do not support the U.S. sanctions on Russia. former9thward Aug 2023 #18
so? we don't support Modi's attack of Muslim minorities in India; still allies Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #21
Yes. Don't support Bonesaw murders, but still allies with King Bonesaw. Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #34
China invested a heck of a lot of money in Africa, so naturally it's going to be listened to. shrike3 Aug 2023 #16
Doesn't need Chinese distortion either. Torchlight Aug 2023 #36
One of the great vacations of my life was a safari in Tanzania. shrike3 Aug 2023 #15
I've always wanted to go to Tanzania. applegrove Aug 2023 #17
Beautiful area. former9thward Aug 2023 #19
There used to be a "glamping" trip down the east cost of Africa that applegrove Aug 2023 #20
That does sound like fun and certainly interesting. former9thward Aug 2023 #22
Well Kilimanjaro is a real accomplishment. It must have been gorgeous. applegrove Aug 2023 #24
I have done my share of climbing in the Rockies, Andes and Himalayan ranges. former9thward Aug 2023 #25
That must be incredible. Could you see the land below or were there applegrove Aug 2023 #29
There were a fair amount of clouds below. former9thward Aug 2023 #35
Ahhhhhh! Sounds glorious. applegrove Aug 2023 #37
you climbed Kilimanjaro @19.4k feet! Snooper9 Aug 2023 #23
Oh yeah, a lot. former9thward Aug 2023 #26
I'm actually bowing right now :) Snooper9 Aug 2023 #27
Hope you get to go. You'd love it. n/t shrike3 Aug 2023 #28
Maybe some day. applegrove Aug 2023 #30

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
5. sounds a bit melodramatic-- who is dumping the USD? some nations would love that
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:32 PM
Aug 2023

but no rush by world economy to do so. BRIC is so 2007.

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
8. quite a long time--as article asks
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:39 PM
Aug 2023

what would be most suitable reserve currency other than USD? Nothing attractive comes to mind.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
9. I don't see a new global currency
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:43 PM
Aug 2023

I see a greater diversity of currencies being used.

If China, Russia and Brazil use, for example... the Yuan... it's penetration into global reserves will grow. As China spreads it's footprint, they'll insist countries use a non-Dollar currency.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
33. Control of their own national currency value versus the dollar...has brought stability to
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 07:31 AM
Aug 2023

their form of capitalism. During Covid China was the only major economy NOT to drastically slash interest rates and flood the nation with cheap money and massive consumer debt… the intent being control of domestic debt…or face deadly future inflation that could not be easily controlled like America or hard currency nations can…print and borrow more paper. See Argentina.

The logical next step is not being being perpetually forced to control national currency value versus the default commercial American dollar.

The relationship between national Central Banks policy, and why, is a difference that is all the difference.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
3. Africans can decide for themselves whether this is good for their nations
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:09 PM
Aug 2023

Don’t need western handwringing and.. distortion as usual.

No one has sent warships to force these nations into partnerships, as some nations once did.

Now they decide independently as sovereign nations…their decision, nation after nation, is to turn East.

Because…they remember, no mass amnesia.

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
6. the US is doing the same--but not so assiduously
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:34 PM
Aug 2023

because unlike China, US has very strong allies:

UK, France, Germany, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, NZ, most of Europe, India, Brazil

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
12. that is true but that was always just an arbitrary grouping of developing
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 09:28 PM
Aug 2023

powerhouse economies--no relevant political or economic ties among tjose 4

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
13. yet.
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 09:32 PM
Aug 2023

We're heading to a future that's less US-centric...

I'm an old school progressive and think that's a good thing.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
34. Yes. Don't support Bonesaw murders, but still allies with King Bonesaw.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 08:14 AM
Aug 2023

Americans are not in the best position to point out others failings and hypocrisy, is it’?

Might does not make right. The eastern and southern world is waking up to that.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
16. China invested a heck of a lot of money in Africa, so naturally it's going to be listened to.
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 09:43 PM
Aug 2023
 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
15. One of the great vacations of my life was a safari in Tanzania.
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 09:42 PM
Aug 2023

The people we met were lovely and so proud of their country. Such a shame this is happening.

applegrove

(132,222 posts)
20. There used to be a "glamping" trip down the east cost of Africa that
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 11:23 PM
Aug 2023

followed the site of major anthropology discoveries. I'm a rural person when it comes to travel, visiting rural villages would have been fun along with the lectures by profs along the way at each campsite. Plus the wildlife in places like Kenya and Tanzania. Sadly they don't offer that trek anymore.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
25. I have done my share of climbing in the Rockies, Andes and Himalayan ranges.
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 11:52 PM
Aug 2023

But Kilimanjaro was the most fun. Since it is almost on the Equator as you climb you go through all five of the earth's climatic zones: Tropical, Dry, Temperate, Continental, and Polar. You see the vegetation and wildlife familiar with each of the zones as you go up.

applegrove

(132,222 posts)
29. That must be incredible. Could you see the land below or were there
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 01:15 AM
Aug 2023

clouds? I bet you could see really far in Kenya and Tanzania too.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
35. There were a fair amount of clouds below.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:36 PM
Aug 2023

You can see some of the clouds in post #26. But definitely could see land all around. They said you can see the Indian ocean on a very clear day but I could not see it.

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