Now the Georgia defendants are ratting each other out.

[RandySF]

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Kyle Cheney

@kyledcheney
NEW: David Shafer, one of the 19 defendants charged with Trump in GA, has posted a transcript of the Dec. 14, 2020 meeting of the false GOP electors as part of a court action.

It shows Trump campaign attorney Ray Smith's advice to the group.

[Lovie777]

1. Isn't that rich.....................

[Phoenix61]

2. Well that didn't take long.

Not the least bit surprised. There is no loyalty amount traitors.

[CurtEastPoint]

3. It's like a big old circle jerk. David Shafer, in a pensive moment

[EYESORE 9001]

5. Is that his head

or is his neck blowing bubble gum?

[Ladythatvotesblue]

11. bubble gum

[Auggie]

13. +1

[alterfurz]

32. inflating his throat pouch to display dominance

[EYESORE 9001]

36. LOL

[Alexander Of Assyria]

17. DU Instapoll! Patsie or Brain?

[spinbaby]

4. I need to buy more popcorn

This is getting good.

[MissMillie]

7. Yeah, I'm reading the transcript... popcorn is recommended

Right out of the gate this guy is talking about "the President has filed a contest to the certified returns."

It's my recollection that in GA there was nothing pending regarding election results. (I could be wrong about that, but I know I read somewhere that the only litigation that was pending was something filed in either NV or NM on the morning of 12/14, and it was only filed so they could say that litigation was "pending." )

So either he's lying, or he was lied to. Whether or not the GA bogus electors can use that as a legal defense is for minds that are more learned in GA RICO law than I.

Funny/not funny that this document (and I'm only on p. 4) continues to show that the lies fueled everything TFG and MAGAdonians did to overturn the election.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

18. The Law has that covered. Everyone is presumed to know the Law, it's a Rule!

[appmanga]

20. Not so fast...

...there are tons of statutes that use terms like "deliberately", "knowingly", "willfully", etc. As you might easily guess, this often gives an out to the more privileged, but old John Q. would find himself to be, using the Old English legal term, "focked".

[moniss]

22. They will be

double "focked" if they rely upon ignorance. When trying to use the shield of the "weasel words" as a defense the standard usually applied is the "reasonable person" standard. So a good prosecutor says to such a defendant "So Mr. Weasel you were being asked by a total stranger, representing himself as an attorney, to sign a legal document stating that you had an official title and governmental duty. But you never sought the advice of an attorney who would represent your interests rather than simply listen to someone representing the interests of other parties and asking you to be a signer to a legal process. Is that correct Mr Weasel?" Obviously the actions of Mr. Weasel fail the "reasonable person" standard. At least with a case that isn't a circus. The prosecutor could go on to elicit responses from Mr. Weasel as to whether he would consult an attorney before entering in to legal agreements about his house, a custody dispute in a divorce etc. Then a comparison of the magnitude of what they entered into as fake electors overturning who is President of the country versus a lien on his house for example can be made. The idea that you would find it reasonable to behave that way would fall quickly in any normal case. But of course we are not in a normal case and Mr. Weasel will, like many of the 1/6 defendants, claim it really wasn't their fault that they were so deluded and stupid. Of course the comeback from a prosecutor is "Well Mr. Weasel that's why there is a legal process under the state laws for determining/contesting elections and also for determining who are electors. Did some official of the state government give you the designation of "elector" Mr. Weasel?"

Of course in the circus atmosphere they will try to claim that they were misled and are too stupid to have known better. It may work a little at sentencing or work entirely in an appeal of conviction to a MAGA court.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

25. Well said...weaselling out of the rules of law is futile. It's not like Twitter.

[moniss]

34. You have made a great observation in

your comment about Twitter. These clowns believe every word they see online and have the general attitude that they can get a pass for any of their actions by saying it was "a joke", "free speech" etc. or they were misled.

[appmanga]

27. Keep in mind...

...in the U.S. Mr. Weasel is presumed innocent and doesn't have to testify.

[moniss]

33. Agreed

but a good prosecutor could get the argument in with a "proxy" of sorts for Mr. Weasel. The jury will make the connection. We hope. I think it will be difficult for all of the defendants to refrain from testifying. I guess maybe a prosecutor could immunize a different defendant and call them to make the argument about reasonableness. I don't know how far they have to go down that road in a RICO case though. The reasonable standard may not place as heavy a burden on the prosecution as without the RICO charge. The desire to overturn the election and the subsequent actions taken may be enough for a jury to convict on conspiracy.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

24. Criminal law levels of intent needed to be proven... are variable, fair, and backed by...history.

[MLAA]

30. So true!

Or as the olde saying goeth: Fock Around and Find Out!

[onenote]

29. There were cases challenging the GA results still pending on December 14, 2020

By pending, I mean appeals had been filed and had not been ruled on by that date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election_from_Georgia#cite_note-:115-58

[MissMillie]

35. OK... thank you

Glad to be set straight when I'm wrong.

[liberalla]

6. Oh my! Yes indeed... this will only get better. ;)

:snicker:

[republianmushroom]

8. I like it

[Jarqui]

9. The threat of RICO being a 5 year minimum ..

(I've seen some try to refute that so I'm not positive though Fani Willis said it was 5 yr minimum during her PC)

GA has made it easier to convict RICO

That is going to get some folks to flip

[TSExile]

10. It's the political version of...

Lord of the Flies!!!

[oldsoftie]

12. Schafer has always been dick. Most Ga GOP dont even like him.

He's one of those McCarthy type guys; kiss whoevers ass is in front of you if it'll get you somewhere.

[bahboo]

16. and he does have an eminently punchable face...

[oldsoftie]

23. Hahahahaha

[progressoid]

14. Are they ratting each other out?

What am I missing? Just looks like a transcript of their meeting.


https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.310324/gov.uscourts.gand.310324.2669.3.pdf

[Alexander Of Assyria]

19. Yes. Video taped RICO and then someone kindly transcribed it...now released by Mr. Schafer...

A piece of awesome evidence and detail we did not know about…but prosecutors did.

Straight from the Horses Mouthpieces…suck on that Maga!

[Goodheart]

38. I don't see this as a bombshell.

We already knew the meeting existed. Shafer and friends didn't try to hide it. This is an attempt at defense, not an effort to rat others out. Their defense is that the meeting was justified in the same sense that Hawaii 1960 was justified. This transcript outlines their belief.

[appmanga]

21. What this is...

...is prima facie evidence that Shafer committed the crimes he's accused of:

Here is the list of Shafer's charges:

Violation of the Georgia RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) Act
Impersonating a public officer
Forgery in the first degree (in my view, questionable, but I'll review the transcripts closer when I have time)
False statements and writings
Criminal attempt to commit filing false documents
Forgery in the first degree (questionable)
False statements and writings
False statements and writings

What makes this really damning is it was transcribed by a professional court reporter who's sworn to it accuracy. It's akin to confessing to a murder in your divorce deposition. The only better evidence would be a video.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

26. Pinnacle Evidence...the audio video recording is the evidentiary source, the transcript is the

audio recording reduced for the conscience of all the parties and the court.

Any way you slice it the best of the best evidence, real evidence.

[lindysalsagal]

15. Ahhhh. The sound of gangsters singing in unison! Beautiful!

Lock. Them. Up.

[malaise]

28. Nicely played

[Midnight Writer]

31. As expected.

There is no loyalty in this group.

They would turn against their own country if they thought they would benefit. And they have.

[Goodheart]

37. Apparently Shafer believes this helps his defense

that the minutes outline a sincere belief that they were entitled and justified to a provisional slate of electors.

The problem for him, though, is that by the time of their meeting Georgia had already conducted three counts of their votes, and there was no valid reason to hope that the election would be overturned. In other words, the only reason for their slate was the chance that Mike Pence would accept theirs and not those elected by the citizens of Georgia. There is nothing in our Constitution or law that allowed Pence to do that, so their meeting was a ruse... something to complicate and defraud the electoral process.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

39. A meeting to defraud the electoral process IS RICO criminal fraud... Sincere belief is irrelevant.