Where is the DOJ on the kidnapping and busing of Migrants across state lines? Enough is enough.

[onecaliberal]

DO SOMETHING!

[Ocelot II]

1. What should it do?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

2. Follow the example of Jesus suing DeSatan...

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.248428/gov.uscourts.mad.248428.1.0.pdf

That mentions 42 U.S. Code § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights, which suggests to this layman that there might also be an action that could be taken under 18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law.

I don't know but I hope there are people who do know this stuff who are trying to figure out how to make it stop.

[Backseat Driver]

3. No one is likely to agree with me, but I think it sort of unfair that only border states remain

responsible for new immigrants; if the immigrants have no one waiting for them, they could be spread to every state that has need for whatever skills they have until they can be assimilated w/language, training, and jobs with hospitality through to pathway for citizenship from sea to shining sea as policy not kidnappying and lies.

[onecaliberal]

4. So you think it's okay to tell them where they can live?

I don’t agree with that at all.

[pinkstarburst]

10. No one is "telling them where they can live."

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Some mayors of major cities are throwing a NIMBY fit because a fair number of the 2 million migrants who crossed the border in 2022 want to come to those major cities, which is not a surprise.

What's laughable is that people are getting up in arms about DeSantis or Abbott providing the busses. Folks, BIDEN should be the one providing the busses. Immigration is a national issue. There are 2 million migrants crossing the border per year because we have not secured the border. If our democratic values say that we want them to come in, that we want to provide a place for them to live here, that's FINE, but then there has to be some place for them to go, and resources to help them. Every single city and community across the nation will have to be prepared to help, even if it strains their resources, if those are our values. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California cannot be expected to bear the burden of caring for 2 million migrants per year ALONE and then another 2 million the next year, and another 2 million the year after that, continuing forever. This is a national problem which requires a national solution. They are going to have to go to cities all across the nation. 2 million in 2022. There will be 2 million in 2023, and unless something is done to secure the border, 2 million in 2024.

It's time to stop pitching a fit about bussing and either talk about securing the border (if we want the numbers to go down) or talk about how to provide these people resources in ALL 50 states (if we want to allow them in.)

Immigration is not just Texas's burden to bear. Sorry if you're from New York and this is the first you're hearing of the problem.

[pinkstarburst]

6. I agree.

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Immigration is a national issue. There is nothing wrong with bussing the 2 million migrants who are crossing the border every year to various large cities across the country. They have to go somewhere. Do the mayors of the largest cities in the US truly not believe that with 2 million migrants coming across the border every year, a sizeable number will not show up in their cities every year, hoping to be resettled there?

There is something very wrong with saying you support immigration then throwing a NIMBY fit the moment your city or state has to help support migrants and it's not just left to Texas to deal with it any more where the problem is invisible to you.

[pinkstarburst]

5. Some people here seem to think immigration is the sole responsibility of the border states

Immigration is a national issue. It is not the sole responsibility of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California to deal with the massive stress, cost, constant strain on the school system and support systems in place to help migrants.

If we as democrats support helping migrants, then this is a burden that must be supported by all 50 states.

A few stats for you: In 2022:

1.2 MILLION migrants crossed the southern border into TEXAS alone.
561K crossed into Arizona.
142K crossed into New Mexico.
249K crossed into California.

It is not reasonable to expect Texas to take on the burden of 1.2 MILLION migrants that cross its borders EVERY YEAR. Nor is it fair to expect Arizona, New Mexico and California to take on the burden of the smaller numbers that cross their border EVERY YEAR.

Democrats have to stop talking out of both sides of their mouths on immigration. If we are for supporting migrants, then all 50 states must be willing to take the 2 million people we are allowing to stream over the border UNCHECKED every year. That means New York City is going to get TONS more people. So will every major city.

We should not be getting butthurt and screaming about bussing people across state lines. Where do you expect these people to go? Texas cannot absorb 1.2 million migrants per year. Yes, it is appropriate to bus them to other major cities all across the country so that everyone shares the burden. If this creates too much of a strain on the system, then I'll just say it, we need to finish building the border wall and we need to secure it so that 2 million people per year can't as easily cross. OR if our values say we help these people, then we need to SHUT UP about the bussing with the snotty NIMBY attitudes and accept that helping migrants doesn't just mean Texas absorbs 2 million migrants every year. It means you will have lots of them in your neighborhood and your kid's school too.

We can't have it both ways. Immigration is a national issue.

[onecaliberal]

8. Then republicans need to stop blocking comprehensive immigration reform. That is why texas is

taking in so many. Republicans don't want to fix the issue, but want to cry about the people. You cannot lie to someone to get them on a bus, or plane and send them somewhere to own the libs. It's all so fucking ridiculous.

[pinkstarburst]

9. Well sure

Both sides of the aisle need to get together and come up with a comprehensive plan. But until that happens, we are stuck with what we have: an unsecured border where 2 million migrants per year stream across the border unchecked.

It is unfair to expect the border states to care for those 2 million people per year alone. That burden must be taken on equally by all 50 states. So it is absolutely appropriate for migrants to be bussed all across the country, to whatever major city they wish to travel to. It would be no different than if the border were in Delaware and 2 million people per year were coming through a magic portal in Delaware. It would not be Delaware's sole responsibility to feed, clothe, shelter and educate 2 million people per year, and another 2 million the next year, and another 2 million the year after that, continuing indefinitely.

Immigration is a national issue. Some mayors and governors are angry right now because they're having to do their part for the first time and they are now seeing what Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California have been dealing with for years, and they're seeing how much it SUCKS.

So we either AS A NATION, change our policies at the border so fewer people are coming across, or all communities need to get ready for all these people and MORE people (2 million per year) because that's how many are currently coming across and they will need somewhere to stay if our values say we let them in and we shelter them (no throwing a NIMBY fit and saying it's someone else's problem to deal with.)

[onecaliberal]

11. I live in California. I wish we could keep them all.

[Backseat Driver]

12. No, lying to them is NOT helpful; it's dishonest and fraudulent.

With gun violence growing, it's difficult everywhere to be safe and secure in the USA! Another issue of national importance!

The problems are all connected and related to the selfishness, greed, corruption, disrespect and willful apathy among American citizens who have decided to not participate or participate in unlawful/unhealthy ways. I'm convinced I see those qualities most in the GOP and among various supposedly Christian/Religious organizations, and the richest, whitest, wealthiest citizens, even despite possible opportunities of philantropy, not to mention the organizations and individuals that fall within our three branches of government. No, humans are not perfect, neither am I; but our judges and law enforcers aren't without biases that stilt their judgments as too harsh or, almost worse, too lenient. I think we've all had at one time or another unrealistic expectations; it is no reason not to hold accountable those that continually lie, cheat, steal, and take away human potential with assaults and murders against individuals and organizations. And sometimes, que sera, sera, is a wise choice! I don't see any redeemable personal qualities in TFG, a cult leader, for instance.

[Brainfodder]

7. Right up there with indicting the 3 brats plus 1s!

But I do appreciate the express lane for the Fleebag?