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kpete

(72,156 posts)
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 10:55 AM Aug 2023

Charles Pierce has a simple solution to the justice system's Trump problem: Toss him in a cell.

...Slap a GPS tracker on one of his swollen ankles and confine him to his banana farm in Florida. Drop a multimegaton fine on him every time he goes batshit on social media. Freeze his assets. Treat him like a mob boss, a drug kingpin, or the leader of a terrorist cell because, in one way or another, he is all three of those things.

If his corporal's guard of a legal team wants to litigate these measures, let them have at it. If his mouthbreathing devotees want to make trouble, point them towards the hundreds of people now doing time for what they did on January 6. If he wants to test the strength of the rule of law, let the rule of law at least give him a battle without tying its hands through timidity and anticipatory dread. It's worth fighting for.

the rest:
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a44877673/trump-rhetoric-rule-of-law-judges/

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Charles Pierce has a simple solution to the justice system's Trump problem: Toss him in a cell. (Original Post) kpete Aug 2023 OP
No body seems to have the "fortitude" to do any of that. LakeArenal Aug 2023 #1
"Dying for a next time". Traildogbob Aug 2023 #29
Yep. LakeArenal Aug 2023 #41
That's where I'm at. Domestic terrorists and traitorous, conspirator cult leader. Branch Davidians? Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #49
"No body seems to have the "fortitude" to do any of that." jaxexpat Aug 2023 #38
But, the Rosenbergs were hung. Nt 1WorldHope Aug 2023 #2
The Rosenberg's died by electrocution not by hanging MagickMuffin Aug 2023 #10
Thank you for the correction. As much as I hate the guy, capital punishment is barbaric. 1WorldHope Aug 2023 #43
I wonder had Pence been hanged, if that would have changed everything? Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #50
It damn well would have. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2023 #56
I tend to agree. I doubt they could have minimized the coup like they have done. But it seems Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #58
Love the 2nd to last sentence! Grins Aug 2023 #3
IRL he's probably a trumper SouthernDem4ever Aug 2023 #48
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2023 #4
No shit! Quit pampering traitortrump. He's a threat beyond selling loose cigarettes. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #5
Carefully approaching but not crossing a legal Red Line...is a valuable talent in American politics. Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #22
Much more valuable in the Dumas, helps them to avoid falling out of windows. Torchlight Aug 2023 #27
That line keeps being moved for traitortrump. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #28
Admonitory finger-shaking gets them nowhere, and is a sign of weakness... malthaussen Aug 2023 #6
You and me both, malthaussen. calimary Aug 2023 #23
I like what Charles is saying. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #7
Cut off his internet AncientOfDays Aug 2023 #8
This deference to the office of President must be a new thing. Shipwack Aug 2023 #9
Every time the Orange Traitor pushes and nothing happens it gets worse. Ligyron Aug 2023 #11
Yup republianmushroom Aug 2023 #13
EXACTLY. calimary Aug 2023 #32
A legal Red Line has not yet been crossed...frustrating but true. Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #42
That may well be true for those who can afford good enough lawyers. Ligyron Aug 2023 #44
STRONGLY recommend Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #12
Highly recommended democrank Aug 2023 #14
K&R AKwannabe Aug 2023 #15
Speed up his trial date every time he violates his parole. gab13by13 Aug 2023 #16
THIS!!☝️jail cell for offenses onetexan Aug 2023 #57
As usual, Charlie speaks for me. (nt) Paladin Aug 2023 #17
Me, too Wild blueberry Aug 2023 #18
He's a guest on the Stephanie Miller Show every Tuesday. rubbersole Aug 2023 #19
"timidity and anticipatory dread" Silent3 Aug 2023 #20
Charlie Traildogbob Aug 2023 #30
He has Secret Service around him all the time... MiHale Aug 2023 #21
Yes. Take his toys away. calimary Aug 2023 #34
His "toys" are his weapons ... MiHale Aug 2023 #46
Let him have a Gameboy. 1989 vintage BidenRocks Aug 2023 #53
The feds seem to be treating him with kid gloves because of his candidacy for federal office Mr. Ected Aug 2023 #24
Do they make ankle monitors that fat? Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #25
Fuck that Traildogbob Aug 2023 #31
Would solve a lot of problems. Kid Berwyn Aug 2023 #26
"timidity and anticipatory dread" Grasswire2 Aug 2023 #33
K&R bluestateboomer Aug 2023 #35
Not going to happen, ever, although we'd all like to see it Warpy Aug 2023 #36
Would have already happened to... dchill Aug 2023 #37
Fear of the costs of being THE ONE? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #39
ran into a paywall barbtries Aug 2023 #40
Trump has groomed his followers and the media into accepting his demented self. twodogsbarking Aug 2023 #45
...and throw away the key! Scottie Mom Aug 2023 #47
Just fucking do it already Blue Owl Aug 2023 #51
This should have been Snackshack Aug 2023 #52
A better idea...toss him into a vat of boiling tar (for starters) BigmanPigman Aug 2023 #54
He wants to go to West Virginia. Send him to Moundsville. Kennah Aug 2023 #55

LakeArenal

(29,037 posts)
1. No body seems to have the "fortitude" to do any of that.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 10:59 AM
Aug 2023

I’m not sure why. Fear of MAGADONS can’t be the only reason. Let them rile up. Let some of them get what’s coming to them.

They won’t be sucker punching te cops the next time. They are dying for a next time.

jaxexpat

(7,059 posts)
38. "No body seems to have the "fortitude" to do any of that."
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 01:14 PM
Aug 2023

I may have the reason for this timidity on the part of those in authority. They retain the illusion that Trump is the embodiment of some future "anybody" who may gain (on run for) the Oval Office. Their hypothetical "anybody" should NEVER be in any way like Trump. Trump is an aberration of the set of entities we call "humans". It would be a great service of instruction to the ninnies among us who could be tempted to support some future aberration if they were to see him subject to every possibility which the justice system holds for dealing with attention seeking recalcitrant awaiting trial.

What apparently haunts the current cabal of "powers that be" is uncertainty that our system of government could/would prevent some future executive or faction wreaking retribution on them and their interests. It's no wonder of the proliferation of ninnies in our midst if our "best and brightest", our judiciary (for instance), live in fear and mistrust of the power which defines democracy.

That being said, it is all a fine mess we're in. Still, most voters see nothing wrong that an ex-president should suffer the same inconvenience as they if they were to bring indictment upon their own heads through such blatant and reckless stupidity. If anybody cares about the voters (or their votes), it is upon this issue where they would find a point of bi-partisan commonality and grass-root support. Irony is NOT dead, the concept of equal justice before the law, an issue Democrats can win over "conservatives" with, is being brought to us free of charge, a gift, from Trump's entitled ass bullshit. Jail him if he so much as breathes funny.

MagickMuffin

(16,102 posts)
10. The Rosenberg's died by electrocution not by hanging
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 11:32 AM
Aug 2023



On June 19, 1953, Julius died from the first electric shock. Ethel's execution did not go smoothly. After she was given the normal course of three electric shocks, attendants removed the strapping and other equipment only to have doctors determine that Ethel's heart was still beating. Two more electric shocks were applied, and at the conclusion eyewitnesses reported that smoke rose from her head.[49]



The most current hanging would’ve been for VP Mike Pence on Jan 6, 2021



Evolve Dammit

(17,106 posts)
58. I tend to agree. I doubt they could have minimized the coup like they have done. But it seems
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 01:32 PM
Aug 2023

as if they would swallow anything. Hunter's fault, etc.....

malthaussen

(17,308 posts)
6. Admonitory finger-shaking gets them nowhere, and is a sign of weakness...
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 11:21 AM
Aug 2023

... I want so badly for the System to come down on this clown like a ton of bricks, because they have been giving the impression all along that they're afraid of him, and nothing good is coming of it.

-- Mal

republianmushroom

(14,688 posts)
7. I like what Charles is saying.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 11:25 AM
Aug 2023

STOP THE CODDLING.
Now who has the intestinal fortitude to do it.
31 months and counting

AncientOfDays

(165 posts)
8. Cut off his internet
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 11:27 AM
Aug 2023

Have his SS detail cut off his internet access. That would go a long way to solving the problem.

Shipwack

(2,230 posts)
9. This deference to the office of President must be a new thing.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 11:28 AM
Aug 2023

Ulysses S Grant was arrested for speeding (he loved racing horses through DC) while he was President!

He actually checked up on the arresting officer to make sure he wasn't retaliated against.

Maybe this whole notion of an untouchable and holy presidency started after Nixon? It definitely was in full force with Bush the Lesser with Cheney spouting off theories of a Unitary Executive".

Ligyron

(7,700 posts)
11. Every time the Orange Traitor pushes and nothing happens it gets worse.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 11:32 AM
Aug 2023

It just reinforces in his mind that he's a King and has an army of followers that will respond to his every slight. The Rule of Law will cease to have any meaning if this very public example of it being flaunted is allowed to continue.

Next time, or this time (I get confused it happens so much) he disregards the instructions given him, throw him in jail and we, and the rest of the country, won't have to hear another thing from him.

With radio silence his supporters will find better things to do after the initial flurry of outrage that the law is being followed.

calimary

(82,020 posts)
32. EXACTLY.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:42 PM
Aug 2023

If you judge by the increasingly flaccid and deteriorating “response” from his shrinking gangs of goons, they’re likely to lose interest.

There’ll be no big-ass self-appointed “cheerleader” to egg them on. And what does the crowd at the game do when there’s nothing to stir them up. Maybe they sit there. Maybe they try to cheer on their own without direction. And maybe they go to the snack bar.

Sure, there’ll be the die-hands who just won’t quit him, but their numbers are dwindling, not growing.

I can’t help but suspect that more of ‘em are either giving up on him or just getting bored with him. Nothing ever changes with him. He keeps yapping. Keeps invading our space. Sooooo… time to start shutting him out.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
42. A legal Red Line has not yet been crossed...frustrating but true.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 01:57 PM
Aug 2023

If such a line was crossed, and a written judicial interim release comdition was probably violated …any of he various prosecutors would act, as legally permitted and bound by the rules of law. As they already have with dozens of individual felony charges to date.

Professionals are limited by ethics and rules, charlatans not so much.

Ligyron

(7,700 posts)
44. That may well be true for those who can afford good enough lawyers.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 03:13 PM
Aug 2023

But, I can't help but imagine my poor ass would be in jail if those tweeXs, or whatever, were worded as his, f.i.and I'd stood on crowded street corners or parks parroting the Trump shtick.

It's just another example that points to the inequity of our Judicial system and needs correcting.

rubbersole

(6,923 posts)
19. He's a guest on the Stephanie Miller Show every Tuesday.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:15 PM
Aug 2023

His insights are great but his humorous perspective is even better. Intellectual irreverence. A national treasure.

Silent3

(15,625 posts)
20. "timidity and anticipatory dread"
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:16 PM
Aug 2023

Those words so perfectly capture the way Trump has been treated so far. Even by many of those who are being comparatively hard on Trump now when compared to the enormous lenience Trump is accustomed to expecting, and receiving.

Traildogbob

(9,085 posts)
30. Charlie
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:35 PM
Aug 2023

Truly does “Know All The Best Words”.
Trump knows maybe 30. And misspells most of those.

MiHale

(9,946 posts)
21. He has Secret Service around him all the time...
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:18 PM
Aug 2023

Get at least one that’s proven not to be a magaloon and just slap the freaking phone outta his puny hand if he starts to post on “not the” Truth.

They are there for his protection his “Truth” post are detrimental to his health, might mean prison, so that action is in line with their job description.

calimary

(82,020 posts)
34. Yes. Take his toys away.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:52 PM
Aug 2023

ALL of his toys.

NO devices of ANY sort.

Nothing he can use to call somebody.

Nothing he can use to text anything.

Nothing he can use to tweet anything.

NOTHING.

N-O-T-H-I-N-G-!!!

N-O-T-H-I-N-G-!!!

Mr. Ected

(9,678 posts)
24. The feds seem to be treating him with kid gloves because of his candidacy for federal office
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:25 PM
Aug 2023

Fani Willis and Judge McAfee are under no such restrictions. I'm sure she's out of fucks to give. I think Georgia may end up doing what the federal courts were squeamish about: throw him in the klink.

I really don't care, do you?

Grasswire2

(13,589 posts)
33. "timidity and anticipatory dread"
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 12:50 PM
Aug 2023

Hmm.

Charlie is allowed to write like this in Esquire.

If we use "rule of law" instead of the name of the AG, we could be critical here, perhaps.

Warpy

(111,814 posts)
36. Not going to happen, ever, although we'd all like to see it
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 01:02 PM
Aug 2023

Best we can hope for is he goes on house arrest. It's still the off season in Florida, so losing income at MaraLardo wouldn't inconvenience him all that much. Having no phone or internet will have to do, and this if he contacts a witness or anyone else involved with his trial in any way. The place will have to be swept clean frequently and any lawyer who lends him a phone needs to be sanctioned to the tune of six figures.

And if he cuts off that ankle bracelet, then maybe he goes a more secure situation short of the clink unless he's fled offshore.

That's how it's going to be, I'm afraid, the worst president in our history still being a former president and treated with kid gloves.

Brainfodder

(6,426 posts)
39. Fear of the costs of being THE ONE?
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 01:18 PM
Aug 2023

I don't think anyone is going to charge the prison he resides in, and the snipers on staff there will surely admire the effort?

barbtries

(28,875 posts)
40. ran into a paywall
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 01:22 PM
Aug 2023

and I love Charles Pierce. This unfortunately comes at a time when for financial reasons I need to be canceling subscriptions, not getting new ones.

anyone else would get the ankle monitor, be under house arrest, and in his case, be tossed into a cell very quickly.

twodogsbarking

(10,349 posts)
45. Trump has groomed his followers and the media into accepting his demented self.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 03:16 PM
Aug 2023

He has said or done thousands of things that others couldn't get away with once.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
52. This should have been
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 10:37 PM
Aug 2023

… done long ago. I and certainly many others have heard the proverb about giving a person enough rope but this is ridiculous.

BigmanPigman

(51,821 posts)
54. A better idea...toss him into a vat of boiling tar (for starters)
Wed Aug 23, 2023, 01:25 AM
Aug 2023

He needs to be removed permanently.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_boiling

"Death by boiling is a method of execution in which a person is killed by being immersed in a boiling liquid. While not as common as other methods of execution, boiling to death has been practiced in many parts of Europe and Asia. Due to the lengthy process, death by boiling is an extremely painful method of execution.

Executions of this type were often carried out using a large vessel such as a cauldron or a sealed kettle filled with a liquid such as water, oil, tar, or tallow, and a hook and pulley system."

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