For all those right-wingers who want 'Civil War':

[Aristus]

Your leaders are already surrendering in Atlanta again.

How many times do you want to do this?

[Irish_Dem]

1. They never really admitted defeat and surrendered.

They have continued to fight the civil war.

[LakeArenal]

3. Yep!

[Irish_Dem]

5. We just never realized it fully until recently.

[yardwork]

22. Some people realized it more than others.

See: Black people, who vote Democratic every single election. Why? Because they know.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Yep some of us knew it all along.

[Evolve Dammit]

46. Agreed. It was amazing driving rural roads in SC, GA, FL. Especially GA.They have never recovered.

[Irish_Dem]

67. An entire economy and way of life built upon slavery.

When slavery was ended, the south had nothing to fall back on.

[LakeArenal]

7. If you have relatives in the South, I think we've known since... forever.

Mine are all terrible racists. And since my mom was one of 15 kids, that’s a bunch of racists.

[anciano]

8. Yep....

there are definitely many folks in the South for whom the "war" ain't over. Sad, but reality.

[Aristus]

11. I was born and raised in the South (Texas, but all of my relatives were in Alabama.)

To this day, I still can't believe how casually, openly racist my grandparents and their cousins were.

[LakeArenal]

13. Yes. It shocked my as a child. I felt totally removed from them.

My brother and came out very liberal but very few cousins did. I think because I was brought up on the East Coast not in the South.

[NickB79]

43. It's not just the South, sadly

Born and raised in central Minnesota (Michelle Bachmann territory).

Christmas wasn't complete without the family getting together and using every racial slur in the book to describe the non-white people who were ruining this country in their opinion.

I still remember 14 yr old me sitting on the front steps, listening to my Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre cassette tape, and my grandfather yelling at me to stop listening to porch monkey music.

Joke's on him, I married a Black Puerto Rican woman and gave them a tan-skinned great-granddaughter

[Mopar151]

53. I was working in a tire shop.

Had an old radio/cassette player rigged up. One day, Boss was chasing parts, with one of his ig`nant buddies riding shotgun. I had a couple little jobs to do, so I plugged a cassette in and grooved.
The buddy rolls in, and says" Hey, that's some nice music - not that jigaboo jungle crap you usually have on!"

Tape? Bob Marley - Legend!

[2naSalit]

82. They rarely miss...

An opportunity to display their ignorance.

[SouthernDem4ever]

55. and is beautiful, no doubt

[maxrandb]

62. I keep hearing this "it's just not the South" and I want to scream

Of course there are racist, fascist Dipshits everywhere, but...AND IT'S A BIG BUT...they are not elected to super majorities in blue states.

There are exceptions, where northern state have been gerrymandered to shit like WI and OH following the 2010 frickin disaster, but it is the South where these racist asshats are in power as representatives of the majority

So, yes, there are racists in the Northern states, but the blue states tend to keep their racist fucksticks locked up in the attic.

My drunk uncle in Ohio was racist as Fuck, but he didn't have the power to expel black elected leaders like they just did in TN, or suspend black elected prosecutors like they just did in Florida, and will do in GA now that they've given themselves the power to do so.

Also, although I shouldn't have to point it out, the North didn't fight a war to maintain slavery

Oh, and BTW, point me to a Northern State that had "whites only" lunch counters as late as 1960?

Seems there is a big difference between run of the mill racists, and racists elected by a majority of their peers, with all the power that entails.

[Maru Kitteh]

68. I worked in North Carolina a couple yrs in the 90s, the KKK was in the fudging PHONE BOOK.

I'll never get over that. That was also the only place I was asked on a fairly regular basis, "what are you?" Just, straight up. "What ARE you."

[llmart]

109. I worked in North Carolina too.

80's and early 90's. Saw my first KKK march after only a few months there. I swear my eyes almost bugged out of my head when I witnessed that. Oh, and a few of us took our very religious secretary who was born and raised in S. Carolina to lunch for secretary's day and on the way in there in the car she told a joke to the five of us in the car where she used the "n" word. The others all chuckled and I remember say, "I'm appalled you would say that". Sure put a damper on the celebration. Then there was the first week at my new job where I sat in the lunch room with a black woman about the same age as me and who was new also and no one would speak to me for awhile. I asked a guy from the North who had lived there a bit longer than I had why no one was very friendly to me and he said, "You're in the South now and they can't believe you would sit at the lunch table with her." I could tell you more stories than just these but I'm sure you have enough of your own. I lived there almost ten years.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

70. The whites only places existed in the North

They simply didn't have signs up about it. They were sneaky about it.

1961. Ann Arbor, MI. My mum invited black co-workers to join her at her favorite restaurant, her treat, as a reward for all of the surgery workers who had gone above and beyond that year. The black people declined. They knew the restaurant never served them.

Mum insisted, though, she knew the owner, he wasn't a bad person. They reluctantly went along.

Go to the restaurant. Serving staff wouldn't even approach the table, not even to give them glasses of water. Waited over an hour to be served, while white people who came in after them got served. It was a hard lesson for my mum to learn as a newbie to American racism, Northern style.

That's effectively "Whites Only," whether or not a sign was up. In the South, that sign being up was at least honest about the matter.

Malcolm X himself said that racist was racist, and at least Southerners were honest that it's what they were, unlike the North, which was sneakier and more insidious about it. James Baldwin repeatedly wrote about that same issue in numerous novels, plays and essays. Have you not read them?

And consider this: The vast majority of major urban race riots during the 60s happened not in the South but in places like Detroit, Newark, Watts, Harlem, Rochester, Philadelphia, Chicago, Boston, Dayton and etc.

Did it ever occur to you why that was?

[maxrandb]

73. But, there is a "difference"

when racism is sanctioned by the power of the state.

There is a difference between a bunch of racist ass white women marching into a library and saying; "here's a list of books I want banned", and a bunch of racist ass white women marching into a library and saying; "here's a list of books the governor and state legislature say I can have removed", "oh and I brought the sheriff with me"

[oldsoftie]

92. Glad you mentioned that; my mom had similar stories from Philly

She grew up there in the 40s. One of her stories was about being on the bus and a black guy who went to school with her was standing. She had an empty seat next to her & called over to him to have a seat. he just said "thanks I'm ok" even when she insisted. At school he told her "I appreciate you offering that seat but you didnt understand; I'm not allowed to take it". She was ahead of her time then & when she went into the military.

[DemocraticPatriot]

75. Maybe some northern states had "whites only" lunch counters and hotels

as late as 1960, but without a sign...


but not by 1965...


I only take issue with your dates... by a few years.

[bdamomma]

80. Funny

I loved reading your post. Shows how some of us can be so open minded and enlightened.

[raging moderate]

85. Yes, there were pro-slavers in the antebellum North. Copperheads.

My family members were Abolitionists. But they knew about the pro-slavers.

Abolitionists called those people copperheads.

Snakes in the grass.

[KPN]

90. Originally from eastern Massachusetts. Child of the 50s, 60s. No blacks in my blue collar

hometown at that time. There was a reason for that. No one can ever tell me that racism wasn't alive in well in eastern Mass in that era, particularly in and around Boston. It was plainly visible. I was raised to be afraid of blacks.

Sure, it wasn't formalized in local/State government policy, but it sure as hell existed in plain sight. I like to think most of the Trumpers in MA today belonged or would have belonged to that cadre back in the 50s-60s.

[AKwannabe]

37. Sure enuff

And ENUFF IS ENUFF!

[llmart]

102. Or if you're a Northerner who lived in the South as I did...

it didn't take me very long to figure it out. I think I was there about three months when I realized it. They actually hate Northerners. What I was told when I first moved there (by another transplant), "If you just moved here, they consider you a Damn Yankee. After about ten years living here, you'll just be considered a Yankee". In other words, you will never be accepted.

[LakeArenal]

103. I believe that.

[Aristus]

110. I have never met people more ready to start fights than young Southern boys.

They drawl "Wanna fight?" the way other people say "How are you doing?"

When I joined the Army, every white Southern redneck who found out I lived in the North wanted to fight me. And when they found out I was Southern born-and-raised, but lived in the North, they called me a 'scalawag' and wanted to fight even more. I guess some people are just brought up to believe that if they can get one more punch in, one more Northern boy down, then somehow that will erase their Civil War defeat and their much-deserved humiliation.

[orangecrush]

28. Got a match?

I hear Richmond is lovely this time of year...

[KPN]

89. Bingo.

[niyad]

2. KNR

[William769]

4. Apparently they don't remember Sherman's march to the sea.

[PortTack]

12. We can do it again if they want!

[DemocraticPatriot]

76. General Sherman should have marched to Texas....

from South Carolina.


Texas was relatively undamaged by the "War Against Southern Aggression"...



Maybe has something to do with their attitude now. They never "felt the pain"...

[PortTack]

111. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[yardwork]

24. They remember! They're just trying again and again, hoping it comes out right for them at last.

Until recently I never realized how many of my fellow Americans have freaking personality disorders.

[William769]

45. "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

And yes we have a mental health crisis in America (in more ways than one).

[bdamomma]

81. A big

mental health crisis, we need more mental health workers.

[Tanuki]

34. .....

[MLAA]

6. A whole new cottage industry of maga idiots re-inacting the surrenders of the 19 like they do the

Civil War Battles. I don’t get the Civil War re-inactments . How many times do you need to lose?

Edited for typo.

[barbtries]

9. that's a good one. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

10. Fani Willis is going to make grass of their asses.

[LakeArenal]

14. 🤞🏼

[twodogsbarking]

15. They will take the stand in Dixie Land.

[orangecrush]

30. ....

[Evolve Dammit]

47. To live or die in Dixie. 160 years later. Lincoln was damn benevolent. They want it again???

[Martin68]

16. So how is this new civil war going be fought? The full power of the largest military force in the

world against what, exactly? The State National Guard? A guerrilla force? They are all helmet and no army.

[Aristus]

17. The Gravy Seals, Meal Team Six, and the Mom's Basement Rangers are on the job.

They will splat very nicely when they go up against tanks and trained infantry.

[Evolve Dammit]

48. forgot the Oat Eaters (natural food militia)

[WarGamer]

19. Don't forget... control of that military can change every 4 years...

Stay vigilant, never become comfortable with the power and breadth of the US Gov't or Military...

Because it can change in a heartbeat.

[Martin68]

21. Are you suggesting our military would stand by against an armed attack on the government of the US?

If the president ordered them two do so, I believe the Cabinet would invoke Article 15.

[yardwork]

26. I agree with WarGamer.

Too many Americans are revealed to be complete morons. Vigilance is necessary. Take nothing for granted.

[WarGamer]

29. I'll repeat...

A FUTURE government, being in charge of the military and gov't powers... can do pretty much anything.

The GOVERNMENT... as an entity, is not our permanent friend or ally... even though it IS TODAY.

[Pinback]

31. Thank you.

There’s too much “It can’t happen here” thinking among progressives these days. We’ve seen where that got us in the past.

[stopdiggin]

41. AND - are we really imagining that a lot of

our armed forces (from highest command on down through the ranks) are not going to have serious mixed feelings and reservation about crushing a civilian revolt? (not to mention the number of uniforms that flat out sympathizers?)

I, for one am extremely heartened by the apparent lack of interest shown recently in Trump's calls for massive gatherings and protest. But now we have to remain vigilant against the ones that are not just noise makers ..

[stopdiggin]

42. also want to throw out that 'the government'

is neither a permanent enemy - (as is such a common refrain these days)

Needs to be kept on a leash - but that's what democracy is all about. And, if that's isn't working - then what do we have for plan B?

[Martin68]

72. Thank you for the gratuitous repetition. I'd suggest that considering the number of people in prison

for insurrection - and the number facing charges for racketeering and election fraud - that Cabinet members, military command and others will be unlikely to ignore an attempt to engage in civil war against the Unites states government no matter what illegal order a future president might issue. President Biden has done an excellent job confirming the supremacy of the rule of law and constitutional principles, and MAGAts just don't have the balls to engage in a violent civil war with their little AR-15s.

[AKwannabe]

38. Becuz

Tuberville

That evil fucking C U Next Tuesday

[Evolve Dammit]

49. Why else is Tuberville holding 80 plus promotions and two empty top commands? Army, USMC

[Mr.Bill]

52. Couldn't a future president

just fire them anyway?

[Evolve Dammit]

56. depends if the Constitution and rule of law no longer matters? Legal opinions DU'ers?

[Mr.Bill]

57. I know presidents have fired generals before. n/t

[Evolve Dammit]

60. It's a great question. I can't answer. Anyone?

[Mr.Bill]

61. Here's what I found on google: (it's complicated)

https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2016/09/15/can-presidents-fire-senior-military-officers-generally-yesbut-its-complicated/

[Evolve Dammit]

95. thanks!

[yardwork]

25. They are all keyboard and nothing else.

[LiberalFighter]

33. Even the Russian military would fail.

[TeamProg]

18. And the witnesses against them are.. THEM!!! Now THAT'S a show of character.. nt

[link:|

[yardwork]

20. Lol! What is it about Atlanta?

[DFW]

54. That's where TFT records its music

Also where over half the TFT videos are done. Atlanta definitely has its good points.

[yardwork]

69. Clearly, Atlanta is awesome.

[DFW]

74. It has been pretty cool to me every time I was there

Of course, for me, that means staying with friends, jamming music and seeing a lot of the inside of a recording studio. So, my view of the place is strictly that and no one else's.

[soldierant]

27. There both sane people and insane people everywhere

(I'm not using the term clinically, just as shortjand for people wo vote against their own intersts, and for their mindset.)

But the sane pnes do tend to gravitate to cities because the oportunities are better -and more diverse.

Atlanta is far beter than rural Georgia.

[Marthe48]

91. Definition of insanity

The the same thing over and over and expecting a different result

[soldierant]

93. WEll, yeah.

Not in the DSM but fits the folks I'm talking about.

[Chainfire]

32. The people who want to have a civil war are under the impression that they will do all of the killing

and we will do all of the dying. As Gomer was known to say, "Surprise, surprise, surprise."

[AKwannabe]

35. Right?

Bomb ass question, Aristus!

[malthaussen]

36. What, both of them?

Most of those people just want to talk. It makes them feel big. The only "civil war" they want is if somebody else does it for them.

-- Mal

[kimbutgar]

39. The stupids paid all that money was the Ar's and they're itching to use them

But they’ve seen what happened to those who do. They get shot to death or end up in prison.

My husband has a right winger nephew who still lives with his Mother at 38 years old , never married but he has his AR guns secured under his bed according to her. I will never piss off this young guy who’ve I’ve known since was 5 years old. I worry about him but am also glad he smokes pot so he won’t go berserk. But I shudder to think of those others who are itching to use those weapons of war because the media they watch has brainwashed them to not think rationally anymore.

[Blue Owl]

40. You'll lose,, MAGAts

Big time!

[B.See]

66. Damn skippy!

[surfered]

44. Aristus

That was great! Bravo, sir.

[Aristus]

50. Thank you.

[Duppers]

51. Remember the definition of stupid.

[Maru Kitteh]

58. That sir, is a masterpiece

[czarjak]

59. Multiple family reunions in downtown Tulsa in 1961.

All the old-timers had to commemorate the 40th anniversary of The Klan's finest achievement. I was 8years old.

[malaise]

63. The only civil war coming will be among

ReTHUGs
That is all

[Hotler]

64. 4/9/1865. Never forget. nt

[Wonder Why]

65. He has this to say:

[link:|]

[AmBlue]

71. DUzy!!!!

[underpants]

78. Indeed.

[StoolPigeon]

77. This just in

Lee surrenders to Grant.

[bdamomma]

79. Those

right wingers, are nothing but cult members.....their heads would blow up if they believed in truth, law, Democracy and facts. They call it cognitive dissonance.

[malaise]

83. This is an anazing tbread

Seriously

[RSherman]

84. My uncle is muttering about civil war

I live in the north country in NYS. My uncle has always tended to listen to AM radio stations and something out of Canada and has long been down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. But a larger part of his personality used to be at least somewhat normal. He is 82, generous with his time and money. Good looking guy. Volunteers with a search and rescue group. Repairs trails on National Trails Day. Would give anyone his last dollar and frequently has. He still works and doesn't have much, but he puts money in the church donation plate, then gives extra if a family has experienced a fire, illness, or death. He can be very funny.

He has been hanging around our Constitutional Sheriff and now I can't be around him at all anymore. He espouses RW/Trump talking points. He has been turned down for jobs because he won't get the vax. His face turns red and purple, his voice raises, and his arms start flying around. I live way out in the country and was shocked when someone appeared on my porch at 10 p.m. a few days ago. It was a young woman at the wrong address with an Instacart delivery. (I didn't even know we could get that out here!). I made the mistake of telling Uncle Dave and he started yelling that the young woman just better watch herself going to the wrong house out in the country. I cut him off and reminded him that people used to be able to knock on the wrong door, ring the wrong doorbell, accidentally get in the wrong car, turn around in a driveway without getting shot. I said it's not the young woman's fault--it's the people being quick to use a gun. Then he started muttering stuff about "they and "them" and about civil war. Who does he think he's going to fight? It's not North v South this time. Or slave owners v abolitionists. Each state has communities of red/blue/purple. And exactly why are we going to civil war? Over which ideology? RWs can't even agree completely on their beliefs.

Anyway, I find it disgusting that our sheriff is actively working to get people radicalized and extreme, then holding rallies to remind them of their Second Amendment rights. Dangerous combo.

Another point: The Dept. of Health just published a study about people being lonely and isolated. That is my uncle. He is the perfect target for people trying to radicalize others.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2023/05/03/new-surgeon-general-advisory-raises-alarm-about-devastating-impact-epidemic-loneliness-isolation-united-states.html

[Emile]

106. Wow, your uncle is really in a cult. The

first person in the Civil War who gets his head blown off in a red mist and these right wing lunatics will lay down their guns and raise their arms.

[llashram]

86. their threats

[usonian]

87. If Grant had been drinking at Appomattox -- James Thurber

http://02dddd4.netsolhost.com/poetry/Grant.shtml

First published in 1930, later in "The Thurber Carnival" where I found it. Still laughing out loud. Probably off-copyright but too long to post ( I think)

[republianmushroom]

88. Like the posting

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

94. Because the last civil war worked out so well for the secessionists

[Dave Bowman]

96. The Stupid Will Rise Again. nt

[czarjak]

97. Charlie Daniels said and sang The South's Gonna Do It Again. L-O-S-E

[SeattleVet]

98. Stealing this!!!!!

(As long as you don't object.)

[Aristus]

100. Not at all. Go for it!

[Recycle_Guru]

101. lots of people are

[Recycle_Guru]

99. kicking again

[Hermit-The-Prog]

107. Thanks. I missed it.

[Emile]

104. LOL

[mopinko]

105. hey, lookie!

Link to tweet

[Recycle_Guru]

108. nice!

[rdchili96]

112. Heh

The same people who want Civil War, would be the first people to claim they have bone spurs to get out of fighting in it. It's easy to be for war when you're not the one dying in it. Also, the last time people wanted a Civil War in the United States, it did not work out so well for them.

[carpetbagger]

113. Takei just shared this on threads.

Oh my.

Post by @georgehtakei

View on Threads

/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[Aristus]

114. George, if you're reading this: I'm a great admirer.

I’m straight but I think you’re very handsome, Mr.Sulu is a wonderful character, and I loved the episode where you got to get crazy with a dueling foil!