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RAB910

(4,030 posts)
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:01 AM Aug 2023

How much harm does the not-stop stream of lies from elected Republicans cause our nation?

Lies about the election

Lies about Democrats wanting abortions right up until birth

Lies about climate change

Lies about Afghanistan

Lies about Ukraine

Lies about Putin and Russia

Lies about Covid

Lies about China

Lies about Americans who are LGBTQ+

Lies about minorities

Lies about the poor Americans

Lies about unions

Lies about Americans who are Democrats

Lies about President Biden


Can our nation survive their anti-American attacks?

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How much harm does the not-stop stream of lies from elected Republicans cause our nation? (Original Post) RAB910 Aug 2023 OP
Only if we can... 2naSalit Aug 2023 #1
The worst thing a person can do is lie to me. pwb Aug 2023 #2
A good idea to identify which lies are working with which groups flamingdem Aug 2023 #3
I think we need to push the bigger issue that Republicans are pathlogical liars RAB910 Aug 2023 #4
How can that be pushed as an overall idea? flamingdem Aug 2023 #5
It's not as hard as you think RAB910 Aug 2023 #7
Washington Post documented more than 30,000 lies during Trump's admin. TwilightZone Aug 2023 #28
This is why the right wins, they are better at messaging RAB910 Aug 2023 #29
i dont know how many times i have posted- mopinko Aug 2023 #6
I am very worried about all of this,,,, KarenS Aug 2023 #8
We'd All Be Better Off modrepub Aug 2023 #9
I agree, the MSM is complicit RAB910 Aug 2023 #10
I like "Party of Lies" flamingdem Aug 2023 #11
Lies about the economy Bucky Aug 2023 #12
a lot. Brainfodder Aug 2023 #13
Not only elected repubs, but decades of the right wing noise machine. NewHendoLib Aug 2023 #14
Laura Ann Carleton say no more. Botany Aug 2023 #15
Their eyes always give their lies away. pwb Aug 2023 #16
Lies about cutting tax for the wealthy IbogaProject Aug 2023 #17
Free Speech doesn't give you the right to lie without consequences MacKasey Aug 2023 #18
As Pence. He didn't mind being strung up. Wonder Why Aug 2023 #19
Adlai Stevenson said- Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2023 #20
This morning on my walk, I passed a pickup truck with the radio on and its driver working in the Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #21
Exactly! This "first amendment right to lie" stuff is not helping bill k Aug 2023 #22
+1 and welcome to DU! nt spooky3 Aug 2023 #30
About the same as words from David Duke and the KKK LiberalArkie Aug 2023 #23
good question, or should I say good observation. c-rational Aug 2023 #24
it is chiefly why there is such an angry MAGA movement Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #25
Always call out a lie for what it is... Think. Again. Aug 2023 #26
I personally know people who died of COVID because they refused the vaccine. Midnight Writer Aug 2023 #27

pwb

(12,802 posts)
2. The worst thing a person can do is lie to me.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:08 AM
Aug 2023

If a person lies to you about someone else, what are they saying to people about you?

flamingdem

(40,980 posts)
3. A good idea to identify which lies are working with which groups
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:23 AM
Aug 2023

in which geographical areas.

For instance "Joe Biden is a communist sympathizer" in Miami, would go a long way towards knowing how to develop communications effectively.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
4. I think we need to push the bigger issue that Republicans are pathlogical liars
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:26 AM
Aug 2023

that every good American needs to stop believing the monsters who are trying to destroy our country with their lies

flamingdem

(40,980 posts)
5. How can that be pushed as an overall idea?
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:29 AM
Aug 2023

In a way it's so preposterous that a political party exists because of lies.

Somehow that has to stated.

People are apparently not that smart. Worse, they're willfully stupid.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
7. It's not as hard as you think
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:31 AM
Aug 2023

Simple message - Republicans are destroying the nation with their lies

Repeat the message over and over again. Just keep pounding the message home

It's really that simple

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
28. Washington Post documented more than 30,000 lies during Trump's admin.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 06:09 PM
Aug 2023

Net effect: essentially zero. Know why? Because everyone knows he's a liar and the people who support him don't care.

Focusing on the opposition is usually a poor strategy. Calling the GOP liars when everyone knows they're liars is unlikely to gain any traction -- it certainly hasn't for the past 40 years. Republican voters *want* their representatives to lie, and the single-digit percentage of true independents bailed on them a couple of elections ago.

We should focus more on what Biden and Democrats have done and will continue to do. Turnout is the key, as it always is. They need reasons to vote *for* us (there are plenty) and not just against the GOP.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
29. This is why the right wins, they are better at messaging
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 06:14 PM
Aug 2023

The left thinks they know better, but simple messages repeated over and over again have far more impact. Documenting 30,000 lies isn't a simple message

mopinko

(73,935 posts)
6. i dont know how many times i have posted-
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:31 AM
Aug 2023

it’s the lies. it’s the lies. it’s the lies. it’s the lies. it’s the lies.
none of this gets off the ground w/o a tsunami of lies.

KarenS

(5,050 posts)
8. I am very worried about all of this,,,,
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:34 AM
Aug 2023

Liars do so much damage and it can be long term.

I am an old lady but I worry for my Kids and GrandKids.

modrepub

(4,191 posts)
9. We'd All Be Better Off
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 09:22 AM
Aug 2023

if the M$M would openly say these are lies or if they'd refuse to repeat lies. But they won't, because all they are interested these days is generating pieces that attract eye balls. Publishing these lies only serves the troll factories and their bottom lines.

I doubt most of the M$M realize the party of lies will focus on them as soon as they gain any real power.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
12. Lies about the economy
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 09:37 AM
Aug 2023

We have economic troubles, of course. We will always have economic troubles. That is the nature of a free enterprise system.

But when Republican leaders talk about how the country is /"in the biggest mess it's ever seen", I have to wonder what the heck they're talking about. 3.5% inflation (the 2nd lowest among all developed nations)? Slightly higher than ideal interest rates? Traffic congestion from a robust economy?

Or maybe they're all Doom and Gloom over a burgeoning national debt problem... that they themselves are mostly responsible for.

Seriously, it's like they're living on another planet. I know they have to sell fear in order to win an election. The alternative, coming up with actual policy remedies for the problems in society, is unthinkable.

NewHendoLib

(61,910 posts)
14. Not only elected repubs, but decades of the right wing noise machine.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 09:54 AM
Aug 2023

Incalculable harm. It is how authoritarian rule happens, as we've seen through history.

Botany

(77,863 posts)
15. Laura Ann Carleton say no more.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 09:57 AM
Aug 2023


Not to mention all those Iraqis who are now dead thanx to Dick Cheney's war for oil.

pwb

(12,802 posts)
16. Their eyes always give their lies away.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:02 AM
Aug 2023

Comer especially. Sincerity shows in the eyes. IMO.

IbogaProject

(6,074 posts)
17. Lies about cutting tax for the wealthy
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:05 AM
Aug 2023

And lies about their continuous collusion with fascists. A Republican crew funded Hitler (Prescott Bush), they also laundered Nazi holdings and actually brought in a few hundred thousand German functionaries in the 1950's

MacKasey

(1,533 posts)
18. Free Speech doesn't give you the right to lie without consequences
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:18 AM
Aug 2023

I do not trust anyone who lies to me


They need to be called Liers!

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,231 posts)
20. Adlai Stevenson said-
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:19 AM
Aug 2023

'I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.'

Adlai Stevenson I

Lonestarblue

(13,561 posts)
21. This morning on my walk, I passed a pickup truck with the radio on and its driver working in the
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:30 AM
Aug 2023

yard. In the few seconds it took to walk past the truck, I heard the host say that the Washington establishment is out of control. MAGATs are hearing this crap constantly, and they believe it because that’s what they want to believe. What all these lies are doing is dismantling our democracy in bits and pieces by destroying faith in our democratic institutions.

The Supreme Court is gone already. The only hope for it is an expansion with four progressives. Now that Republicans control the House, Congress no longer functions for much of anything but bare necessities to keep the government operating. The Senate doesn’t have enough of a majority to stop Republicans like Tuberville and Paul from disrupting the appointments or promotions of hundreds of people. Arcane rules passed during a time when “gentlemen’s” agreements were part of the acceptance for negotiation are long outdated and need to be jettisoned to get the business of the country done.

Polls show that people have little faith now in Congress or the Supreme Court. And now Republicans are doing their best to destroy faith in the FBI, the DOJ, the fair application of the law, and trial by jury. Once they finish destroying those, all that’s left is the presidency and if Trump is elected even that will become a relic of the past. I still have hope, but Republicans and their media have done an enormous amount of damage to this country.

bill k

(2 posts)
22. Exactly! This "first amendment right to lie" stuff is not helping
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:41 AM
Aug 2023

Thank you for posting this, I've been worrying about the same thing.

I understand that Jack Smith was making a legal point in a legal filing, and it is absolutely true that it isn't illegal to lie, but it was all we heard for a couple of weeks after the indictment was filed. Lawyers have a first amendment right to lie as citizens, but they also have professional ethical obligations and if they lie in the course of doing their jobs they can be disbarred.

I would be much happier if every time some pundit said "Trump had a first amendment right to lie" they would follow it with something like - "Of course, when a president lies about our election system being corrupt he is shirking his responsibilities to the public, violating his oath, and revealing himself to be unfit to hold office". I'm a little worried that if Trump is acquitted the narrative will be that everything was totally fine all along, and since he did nothing illegal he did nothing wrong.

c-rational

(3,223 posts)
24. good question, or should I say good observation.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:57 AM
Aug 2023

For too long, we Dems believed we could negotiate in good faith. That time is long gone. We need to take back the House, strengthen our majority in the Senate, and keep the Presidency. Then we need to act without fear, and pass the legislation that will strengthen and grow our society from the middle out.

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
25. it is chiefly why there is such an angry MAGA movement
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 11:29 AM
Aug 2023

they helped usher in Trump with all their previous egregious lies--but especially since he lost the election they have helped sustain the angry mobs by refusing to state the truth about Trump and the 2020 election.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
26. Always call out a lie for what it is...
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 01:44 PM
Aug 2023

Whenever anything comes into a conversation, or is being discussed, that I am sure is false, I make a point of clearly stated "That is a lie".

They get away with it a lot because people, and especially the media, prefer to soften the response by saying things like " So-and-so claims that..." or "So-and-so mistakenly states that...", rather than saying "So-and-so is lying when he states that..." It is not a mistake when the person knows of the correct information but chooses to "believe" (and spread) incorrect information.

For example: flat-earthers do not mistakenly "believe" the earth is flat, because there is absolutely no evidence it's flat and there IS massive evidence it's not flat, so they are not mistakenly "believing" anything, they are LYING, to themselves and everyone else.

Midnight Writer

(25,746 posts)
27. I personally know people who died of COVID because they refused the vaccine.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 02:44 PM
Aug 2023

The lies they believed were that COVID is not dangerous and that the vaccine will kill or permanently disable you.

Please don't dismiss this with "we're better off without these ignorant people". These were good people who were lied to, over and over again, by people they thought they could trust.

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