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Swastikas on his guns (Original Post) malaise Aug 2023 OP
Trump is responsible. onecaliberal Aug 2023 #1
He is not alone in the guilt n/t Attilatheblond Aug 2023 #2
Agreed. onecaliberal Aug 2023 #3
He's at the head of the line, though. dchill Aug 2023 #11
I blame US Grant and those who did the reconstruction Jerry2144 Aug 2023 #4
You may well be right malaise Aug 2023 #7
Most of the blame lies with my many-times-great-granduncle, Morrison Waite. sir pball Aug 2023 #12
It was Hayes who orthoclad Aug 2023 #15
Compromise of 1877: The End of Reconstruction moondust Aug 2023 #16
Hitler studied US racial policies and laws. orthoclad Aug 2023 #22
U.S. eugenics was spread to Germany moondust Aug 2023 #23
And here: orthoclad Aug 2023 #24
This is an example of why this site is great Jerry2144 Aug 2023 #29
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2023 #32
Under attack PrincessMorgan Aug 2023 #5
So sad and yet so accurate malaise Aug 2023 #8
He only knows what he was taught. Rightwing family values; making America great again... Chainfire Aug 2023 #6
When I heard someone at the press conference say his parents didn't want them in theirmhome malaise Aug 2023 #9
Not always. The sheriff made it clear shooter's parents did NOT want guns in their house. Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #10
Valid point malaise Aug 2023 #13
The South lost the fighting, but orthoclad Aug 2023 #14
I need to read a lot more on Reconstruction malaise Aug 2023 #17
I think we all should study that period more. orthoclad Aug 2023 #19
Just a thought about how Reconstruction is deconstructed. . . Collimator Aug 2023 #25
Thanks for this malaise Aug 2023 #28
Me, too. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #40
Don't blame it all on the South... WarGamer Aug 2023 #35
Racism isn't just in the South, but orthoclad Aug 2023 #37
quite good summary, tyvm WarGamer Aug 2023 #38
Yep malaise Aug 2023 #39
What a scumbag just like the ones you mentioned. William769 Aug 2023 #18
What is this about? Mosby Aug 2023 #20
Like to hear also Old Crank Aug 2023 #21
the Jacksonville terrorist Takket Aug 2023 #26
Fox News and AM radio created a perpetual hate machine. Initech Aug 2023 #27
+1 Blue Owl Aug 2023 #33
Who MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #36
Raised to hate. Kid Berwyn Aug 2023 #30
+1.000 malaise Aug 2023 #31
Fuck. twodogsbarking Aug 2023 #34

Jerry2144

(3,269 posts)
4. I blame US Grant and those who did the reconstruction
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 07:35 PM
Aug 2023

They failed to wipe out the scourge that is the Confederacy. They just kept metastasizing and mutating. It’s unfortunate that cancer runs too deeply in this nation

sir pball

(5,340 posts)
12. Most of the blame lies with my many-times-great-granduncle, Morrison Waite.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:26 PM
Aug 2023

He was the Chief Justice who authored the Cruikshank opinion, which effectively ended Reconstruction by ruling that the Bill of Rights, explicitly including the 1st, 2nd, and 14th Amendments, was only applicable to the Federal government - not States or individuals. It threw out the convictions of the perpetrators of the Colfax Massacre and left the Southern States free to decline any further prosecution of hate crimes. And it was held as precedent for over a century – oddly enough, it was the 2010 McDonald gun rights decision that finally neutered it.

A real low point in American history and a huge black mark on my family history.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
15. It was Hayes who
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:48 PM
Aug 2023

ended Reconstruction. I mention this, with link, in #14.

I suppose Grant et al could have pursued it harder, but those contested electoral votes that led to the Hayes compromise of 1877 were the end. Gee, sounds familiar.

Goes to show: bipartisanship with evil doesn't work.

moondust

(21,284 posts)
16. Compromise of 1877: The End of Reconstruction
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:52 PM
Aug 2023
The Compromise of 1877 was an informal agreement between southern Democrats and allies of the Republican Rutherford Hayes to settle the result of the 1876 presidential election and marked the end of the Reconstruction era.
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The Democrats agreed not to block Hayes’ victory on the condition that Republicans withdraw all federal troops from the South, thus consolidating Democratic control over the region. As a result of the so-called Compromise of 1877 (or Compromise of 1876), Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina became Democratic once again, effectively bringing an end to the Reconstruction era.
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The Compromise of 1877 effectively ended the Reconstruction era. Southern Democrats’ promises to protect the civil and political rights of Black people were not kept, and the end of federal interference in southern affairs led to widespread disenfranchisement of Black voters.
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https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/compromise-of-1877#compromise-of-1877-the-end-of-reconstruction

Without federal troops to stop them, southern Democrats (today known as Republicans) were basically free to keep "metastasizing and mutating." Unlike Germany which was occupied by Allied troops for more than 40 years after WWII in order to prevent any "metastasizing and mutating" of Nazism there.

Jerry2144

(3,269 posts)
29. This is an example of why this site is great
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 10:22 AM
Aug 2023

We learn stuff every day. And the people who are more knowledgeable share their info without being condescending. All Y'all're great

PrincessMorgan

(61 posts)
5. Under attack
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 07:39 PM
Aug 2023

THEY ATTACKED WOMEN WITH MISOGYNY THEY ATTACKED BLACK HISTORY BLACK EDUCATION AND CIVIL RIGHTS THEY ATTACK CHILDREN THEY ATTACK OUR GAY COMMUNITY THEY ATTACK ALL OF US. WHEN WILL RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHEN WILL DEMOCRATS WAKE UP AND RUN ON THIS IN 2024. REPUBLICANS AND GOP INSPIRED ATTACKS AGAINST US. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. ITS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHEN WILL THE USA LEARN.

malaise

(295,863 posts)
8. So sad and yet so accurate
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 07:52 PM
Aug 2023

What the hell did we do to be so hated by these monsters who enslaved our ancestors.

Welcome to DU PrincessMorgan

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
6. He only knows what he was taught. Rightwing family values; making America great again...
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 07:39 PM
Aug 2023

malaise

(295,863 posts)
9. When I heard someone at the press conference say his parents didn't want them in theirmhome
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 07:54 PM
Aug 2023

I did ask myself who taught him all this hatred

Maru Kitteh

(31,749 posts)
10. Not always. The sheriff made it clear shooter's parents did NOT want guns in their house.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:02 PM
Aug 2023

I won't blame the parents until/unless I hear more about them that shows them worthy of blame. There are bad apples that will turn around a poison what was a perfectly good tree.





orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
14. The South lost the fighting, but
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 08:44 PM
Aug 2023

won the Reconstruction.

The election of 1876 was disputed. More problems with the damned electoral college. The eventual winner, the Republican Hayes, took power through a compromise in 1877 which ended Reconstruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_era

Dixie's been fighting guerilla war since then: not in the mountains as Lee feared and surrendered rather than put his men through it, but in statehouses, banks, jail slave labor, local politics, and nighttime terror and lynchings. Jim Crow laws continued Dixie power, which has metastasized under Trump to what I call the Covfeferacy.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
19. I think we all should study that period more.
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 09:07 PM
Aug 2023

There were legally-elected Black local governments that were thrown out by mob violence. History commonly doesn't cover this much. Maybe it deserves more study than battles.

Collimator

(2,116 posts)
25. Just a thought about how Reconstruction is deconstructed. . .
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 10:02 PM
Aug 2023

. . . In the minds of grievance-focused White people.

Forgive my lack of specifics, but I have a vague memory of reading an article back at the start of this recent horrible chapter in our history. It was either before or shortly after the 2016 election. The author wrote about an otherwise sweet young man in the class that he taught who supported Trump.

The author wanted to understand the source of the young man's sense of disaffection with his place in current society and with the government, etc., etc. The young man gave it some thought before surmising that it all went back to Reconstruction. In his mind, that's when things stared to go wrong for his people.

Now, I don't know that much about Reconstruction myself, but as a White person, I've been around my share of relatives who like to talk about how slavery was over a century ago, and Blacks need to get over it and start taking care of themselves. . . you know the kind of crap ideas people expound upon. But, hey, distressed, downtrodden White folk who are being overlooked or ignored or put upon by the government can legitmately claim that Reconstruction started a chain-reaction that echoed through the generations to bring them to their sad, sorry status as the real victims of society.

So let's all remember, slavery wasn't that bad and Blacks need to just move on, already. But Reconstruction was hell on earth and White people have every right to fester in their resentment.

X 1000

ShazzieB

(22,563 posts)
40. Me, too.
Mon Aug 28, 2023, 06:34 PM
Aug 2023

I knew I needed to become more familiar with it, but this discussion is making me realize I knew even less than I thought.

WarGamer

(18,600 posts)
35. Don't blame it all on the South...
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 06:28 PM
Aug 2023

My former employer, a rather large BioPharma...

has offices all around the US and the WORLD...

I've been all over and few spots have matched the ferocity of the racism of the NorthEast,

I had lunch with a black co-worker who had transferred from NC to Boston and the topic came up and I'll never forget his response.

In the South, white people have been working alongside black people for decades. A factory floor might be half black and half white. Up here in the NE, things are more segregated. And in the South, racist people lead with their racism... they're obvious. In the NE, they'll smile at you at you and in front of their friends call you a "stupid F-- n*".

This was back in the 00's... might be better now?

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
37. Racism isn't just in the South, but
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 09:25 PM
Aug 2023

that was where the plantation economy grew. The dollars were behind Jim Crow. It's all about stolen labor (and the stolen lives of the laborers). A lot of Northern fortunes were made from slave labor, just not as directly.

I remember South Boston and school busing in the 70s. That was ugly.

This is why I call the current manifestation the Covfeferacy. It's not just whistling Dixie.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,485 posts)
36. Who
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 06:46 PM
Aug 2023

laundered Russian rubles to Republican assholes.

So much filth and corruption, it's difficult to keep track.

Kid Berwyn

(24,304 posts)
30. Raised to hate.
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 10:36 AM
Aug 2023

While this crazy madman's evil points to bad parenting, we need remember it does take a village to raise a child.

Woe to those who fill the village with hate.

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