We won the last Presidential election

[Beachnutt]

and we'll win it in 2024 if the same people vote the same way.
Who would vote differently in 2024 if the conman is the rethug candidate ?
Nobody that voted will switch over to the trump side after the horrible things he has done.
I think if anything more people will switch to our side.

[GPV]

1. They win with tricks and shenanigans.

[Beachnutt]

2. True

But I think with what has gone on over the last election with their cheating tactics America will be on guard and watching the crooks under a microscope.

[2naSalit]

3. And having some public trials...

Ongoing will keep reminding everyone of just how they went about it.

[gab13by13]

6. Michigan and Georgia led the way

They indicted politicians who were involved in election fraud, in election tampering. People may have 2nd thoughts now about rigging elections.

Too bad DOJ only wrote a stern letter to the Cyber Ninjas.
It would be nice for the feds to prosecute one sitting Congressman, thinking of Scott Perry. He was involved in the fake elector crimes. Have been waiting a year now for the courts to allow access to his seized phone.

[Beastly Boy]

13. That's not true.

Jacob Chansley, the QAnon Shaman, was convicted in September 2021 and sentenced to 41 months in prison. Before anyone heard of Michigan or Georgia, DOJ had 1000 indictments to its record in addition to writing a stern letter to Cyber Ninjas. And it was New York that led the way on Trump.

[Ferrets are Cool]

7. If they did not use gerrymandering, we would ALWAYS win both houses AND the presidency.

[Lonestarblue]

9. I would not be concerned if the election is fair and the votes fairly counted.

The problem is that I trust no Republican official at the county level to do the honest thing. They saw what happened with the fake electors, so they’re unlikely to try that trick again. But in states like Wisconsin, the same people who implemented the fake elector scheme are still in office. All they need do is manipulate vote tallies to swing a few counties to Trump and away from Biden. Several Republicans like those in Coffee County, Georgia, and those in Arizona have had access to the programming of voting machines. Their attempts to claim fraud also gave them illegal access to how votes are tabulated, and in systems without paper backups it could be hard to detect tampering, especially if the election officials don’t want to detect it. Diebold proved that in 2004 in Ohio.

[mopinko]

4. and that's why they're trying to take the vote away from as many ppl as possible now.

they know most of the shit they’re passing will b struck down eventually, but they’re hoping to use it in the meantime.

[FailureToCommunicate]

5. We need WAY more than the "same people" to vote in 2024. And many local

elections are a nearly lost cause due to gerrymandering and voter suppression.

Not to be Donny Downer, but it's gonna take a TON of GOTFV effort...and luck, to put keep evil Republicans out of any office.

[tman]

8. Turnout will probably be lower.

It's easier to get people to vote for 'change'.

I still think trump will motivate a lot of Democrats to vote but it will be close IMO,

[617Blue]

10. We've won all of them (other than 2004) since 1992 nt

[peggysue2]

11. It's all about electrifying the electorate

A combination of hope and dread.

The hope comes from continuing and improving upon an inclusive, motivated and just society vs the dread of Trumpism, a dystopian vision in which retribution is the key factor, raw hate is the motivator and freedoms are subtracted by Dear Leader's dictate.

Hyperbolic?

Not really. The choice couldn't be more stark.

America or Trump.

[karynnj]

12. That's even without considering that there is a 4 year cohort of people now old enough to vote

who are disproportionately on our side.

[sanatanadharma]

14. One can't always vote for what they want ...

... but one can always vote against what they don't want, and should try sometime to vote for what all need.

[DinahMoeHum]

17. Exactly. As a saying goes, voting is not marriage.

Voting isn’t marriage, it’s public transport.

You’re not waiting for “the one” who’s absolutely perfect: you’re getting the bus.,

And if there isn’t one exactly to your destination, you don’t not travel

You take the one going closest to your destination.

[lees1975]

15. And we have a candidate who has been one of the most successful Presidents in modern history

somehow muted by the media who should have some "President Biden" item on every day.

We will win in spite of this.

[multigraincracker]

16. Exactly 4 years ago, I remember seeing

TFG signs everywhere. Now they are rare. That says a lot.