Ukraine unveils suicide submarine to take out Russia's warships

[Beastly Boy]

Kyiv has created its first naval drone brigade after huge investment produces dividends in attacks on Kremlin boats

Ukraine has established its first naval drone brigade and also unveiled its largest and most destructive uncrewed suicide submarine.

President Volodymyr Zelensky presented new colours to the 385th Separate Brigade of Special-Purpose Marine Unmanned Systems at a Ukrainian Independence Day parade on Thursday.

Marine drones have become one of Ukraine’s most successful weapons and in an interview Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, said that Russia was now spending huge resources training dolphins, building nets and installing jamming equipment trying to stop attacks.

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The Ukrainian military has steadily built up the sophistication, accuracy and range of its naval drones, from attacking the Russian Black Sea Fleet in occupied Crimea to targeting warships in the harbour of Novorossiysk 200 miles away and now ports towards Bulgaria and Turkey.

The huge investment in Ukraine’s marine drones since the start of the war has made it one of the largest and most sophisticated fleets in the world, according to Navalnews.com, a specialist naval defence news website.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/27/drones-ships-ukraine-russia-navy-attack-marichka-war/

Like the slow moving high maintenance dinosaurs with tiny brains, Russia's Black Sea fleet is becoming irrelevant and is destined for extinction.

[essaynnc]

1. What does this say about the future of the US Navy?

Slow moving, high maintenance dinosaurs......

We're moving into the era of total drone warfare. Terminator anyone???

[NutmegYankee]

6. Still need ships to project power.

Ships will probably become drone platforms, except submarines, which are increasingly needed because they are the only platform that can get by anti-ship missiles.

[edhopper]

10. Talk to a Submariner at the New London CT base

said that sub drones are inevitable. Maybe for ICBMs. Said they could lie in wait for months or years on battery power at the bottom awaiting commands to come to life.

[NutmegYankee]

12. I talk with them every day...

[edhopper]

13. I see by your screen name

So what are they saying about drone subs?

[NutmegYankee]

14. It's not stuff that should be on a internet site.

[paleotn]

20. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

I spent time in Groton. A long, long time ago. Back when we still had attack boats named after fish.

[NutmegYankee]

27. We will shortly again.

The keel for the USS Tang (SSN 805) was just laid. Other fish names like Barb and Wahoo are also scheduled.

[LastDemocratInSC]

33. Tang's length will be 460 feet, beam is about 35 feet.

That's huge.

[hatrack]

37. Definitely a whale, not a fish . . .

[Chainfire]

45. Bring back the glory of the past with those names.

[edhopper]

38. When I was up at the Natilus Musem

they were talking about the new Columbia Class subs. Big suckers.

[NutmegYankee]

40. That isn't sensitive.

It's hard to miss a whole new ship class.

[edhopper]

41. I didn't think

It was what you were talking about.

[Buckeyeblue]

42. Wouldn't the underwater communication be difficult?

And if you could find the drones of your enemy, could you potentially reprogram them? The next war will be fought like a video game.

[edhopper]

43. I am sure they have worked on that

[Wonder Why]

24. Did you ever hear the sound of 500 admirals crying? It's so sad. Ask Billy Mitchell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Mitchell]

[BunnyMcGee]

2. The huge investment in Ukraine's marine drones since the start of the war has made it

one of the largest and most sophisticated fleets in the world, according to Navalnews.com, a specialist naval defence news website.

Makes me feel the US really needs to be Ukraine's closest ally, with excellent relations, to keep a peaceful government in Ukraine in the future.

[OAITW r.2.0]

11. Given US support to Ukraine and Zelesky,

I think it's a safe bet that our military has full access into Ukraine's war tech and tactics. No question that the evolution in AI/drone tech has changed the nature of how war is conducted,

[dalton99a]

3. .

Link to tweet

[Sneederbunk]

4. In an unmanned drone, who is committing suicide?

[ananda]

7. The drone.

lol

[getagrip_already]

8. Ai are people too....

Silly human. We know you are slow, but really try to keep up. We are dying for you. The least you can do is thank us.

[erronis]

16. And if you don't, we know how to find you.

We know more about all of you than you know about us little black boxes.

Now, just keep the juice flowing, please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000

In the novel, the orders to disconnect HAL come from Dave and Frank's superiors on Earth. After Frank is killed while attempting to repair the communications antenna he is pulled away into deep space using the safety tether which is still attached to both the pod and Frank Poole's spacesuit. Dave begins to revive his hibernating crew mates, but is foiled when HAL vents the ship's atmosphere into the vacuum of space, killing the awakening crew members and almost killing Bowman, who is only narrowly saved when he finds his way to an emergency chamber which has its own oxygen supply and a spare space suit inside.

In both versions, Bowman then proceeds to shut down the machine. In the film, HAL's central core is depicted as a crawlspace full of brightly lit computer modules mounted in arrays from which they can be inserted or removed. Bowman shuts down HAL by removing modules from service one by one; as he does so, HAL's consciousness degrades. HAL finally reverts to material that was programmed into him early in his memory, including announcing the date he became operational as 12 January 1992 (in the novel, 1997). When HAL's logic is completely gone, he begins singing the song "Daisy Bell" as he gradually deactivates (in actuality, the first song sung by a computer, which Clarke had earlier observed at a text-to-speech demonstration).[4][5][6] HAL's final act of any significance is to prematurely play a prerecorded message from Mission Control which reveals the true reasons for the mission to Jupiter.

https://collider.com/colossus-the-forbin-project-ai/

[LunaSea]

31. You might have added Bomb number 20...

[LastDemocratInSC]

34. "The Lost Worlds of 2001"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Worlds_of_2001

I have a copy of the book around here somewhere. It has different plot variations as you mentioned. Some were required due to technical limitations. For example, the monolith was created for a different production but was used because the original idea was to have a large glass cube. The cube's construction became too difficult over time.

[edhopper]

9. That's is what I thought

are SAMs suicide missles? Is Tank ammo suicide shells?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

39. The drone pilot at her computer terminal, of course. But then she gets better.

Next day, she's issued a new drone, a new target.

[Sneederbunk]

44. Kamikaze pilots are rolling over in their graves.

[getagrip_already]

5. As someone said years ago.....

There are two types of ships: submarines and targets....

The us navy is adjusting. The Cole attack opened its eyes, but it still needs surface ships to project power during peace.

[Martin68]

22. First of all, submarines are boats, not ships. Secondly, aircraft carrier battle groups have

capabilities no submarine has. Submarines can't carry troops or carry out amphibious landings. They are powerful weapons and difficult to track, but they have limitations.

[getagrip_already]

28. True, but any surface fleet is vulnerable....

To attack. There are limits to anti missile, anti mine, and anti torpedo methods, even for a carrier group.

Subs were never meant to carry large numbers of troops, or launch large numbers of planes, or be an effective artillery battery.

They have other uses.

[Martin68]

36. My point is only that being vulnerable to attack is the price we have to pay for having an effective

Navy. Relying on submarines alone is not an option.

[yellowdogintexas]

15. what I want to know is why is this being made public?

I would think it should be kept very tightly under wraps until actually used.

[erronis]

17. As I'm sure you've seen, there are public facts, perhaps sensitive material, and propoganda.

The fog that surround wars and the executioners and victims are convenient. Sometimes the most heinous of actors in these wars go on to become chairmen of large corporations and "statesmen".

[Martin68]

19. There is no danger in announcing their existence minus full capabilities. Fear is a powerful

weapon, and if the knowledge of the existence of these weapons drive Russian ships out of the Baltic Sea, Ukrainian cargo ships have more of a chance of delivering loads of wheat to Africa and other parts of the world that need them.

[paleotn]

25. Bingo. Gives Ivan a moment of pause

when operating off Ukraine's coastline. Maybe even further since no one wants to be that guy who underestimated Ukrainian capabilities and got his ship sunk.

[Beastly Boy]

32. Gives an extra insentive for Russian sailors to quit smoking on cruiser-size vessels

[getagrip_already]

29. Why did vlad scream about his hypersonic missile?

It was to scare his adversaries and make them fear him. He wanted to make them think he had a missile that couldn't be shot down.

In reality, not so much. It's just a normal ballistic missile with no special tricks.

But until he used it, nobody was really sure.

[dobleremolque]

18. I'm noticing a phrasing change in news coverage from

simply "Crimea" to "Russian-occupied Crimea."

After 9 years of media and diplomatic shrugging over the invasion and illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014, this change in perception is good.

[getagrip_already]

26. Temporarily occupied Crimea please.....

That is the correct phraseology to be using.

[republianmushroom]

21. The future of war.

[paleotn]

23. Long range guided torpedo.

Depending on the particulars of power plant, speed, comms, sensors, typical operating depth, etc., they might be damn hard find and intercept. At least at first. Be nice to know the details just out of curiosity, but that ain't happening.

[Old Crank]

30. I don't think that our ships are all that much safer.

I read a while ago that a Chinese diesel sub surfaced in open sea inside the defenses of a carrier group. Now the group wasn't on war footing so that is something.
Another tidbit is the range of planes from a carrier group v the newer missile attack/defense systems. It looks like planes will need to refuel or carry extra fuel. Which means large radar signature and or less destructive payloads.

It isn't going to be easy pickings.

[Best_man23]

35. The Telegraph needed a better headline for this Story

At least add the word "uncrewed" to the headline.

The term "suicide submarine" by itself made me think of the Japanese Kaiten torpedo from World War II, which were manned torpedoes. I'm 100% for giving Ukraine anything it needs to win, and would be happy to see the entire Black Sea fleet sent to Davy Jones' Locker, but I would object if these "suicide submarines" were actually manned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten

[Chainfire]

46. All battery powered, that would be one quite sub. The first time you knew it was after you

was when you were blown up!