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RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:25 AM Nov 2012

Eurozone has slipped into a double dip recession. AUSTERITY MUST GO!!!

Just saw it on CNN. The Eurozone is now in a double dip recession.

And we will follow soon if we take the path of austerity.

Call your members of Congress and the Senate and DEMAND that austerity be taken off the table. Better to go over the fiscal cliff than accept austerity!

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Eurozone has slipped into a double dip recession. AUSTERITY MUST GO!!! (Original Post) RomneyLies Nov 2012 OP
Damn right newfie11 Nov 2012 #1
If the US goes down the road of Austerity, we will slip into a Global Depression RomneyLies Nov 2012 #2
I find it hard to believe that the leaders of the world can be so stupid Blecht Nov 2012 #3
If you see them as tools of the banksters who are using "austerity" to pull in billions, if not Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #19
I think that's a fair assessment Blecht Nov 2012 #22
Austerity is nothing but a scam fasttense Nov 2012 #4
Bingo! laundry_queen Nov 2012 #5
Yep! nt valerief Nov 2012 #7
That's what happens when you try to cut your way to prosperity. You can only send a little to Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #6
And revenues continue to spiral down the toilet as fewer people have income to be taxed RomneyLies Nov 2012 #8
Greece would have been so much better off had it fled the Euro when this stuff started. MNBrewer Nov 2012 #9
The 'problem' is that 75% of Greeks want to keep the euro. pampango Nov 2012 #14
That's so weird Hydra Nov 2012 #20
I guess there's a reason that the word "paradox" is Greek in origin. MNBrewer Nov 2012 #25
Doesn't the fiscal cliff result in austerity? davekriss Nov 2012 #10
no newfie11 Nov 2012 #11
Raising taxes/cutting spending is anti-keynesian davekriss Nov 2012 #12
If we go over the cliff newfie11 Nov 2012 #23
Postscript davekriss Nov 2012 #13
it also cuts spending. MNBrewer Nov 2012 #26
It's probably not a "double dip"--they probably never left recession in the first place. nt Romulox Nov 2012 #15
Most countries didn't JCMach1 Nov 2012 #16
I vote for deeper dip Hydra Nov 2012 #21
Going over the fiscal cliff is austerity gravity Nov 2012 #17
You don't need to cut spending newfie11 Nov 2012 #24
They like it when there's an economic crisis gollygee Nov 2012 #18

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
1. Damn right
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:56 AM
Nov 2012

It may take more than just calling congress/senate and the white house to get this point across. I am not sure the people of America are willing to protest in mass at this point and by the time they are it will be to late. The grand bargain will be passed.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
2. If the US goes down the road of Austerity, we will slip into a Global Depression
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:34 AM
Nov 2012

No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Austerity kills economies.

Blecht

(3,806 posts)
3. I find it hard to believe that the leaders of the world can be so stupid
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:39 AM
Nov 2012

Really, anybody can see that austerity is exactly the opposite of what should be done. The only reason for austerity is to make the weak suffer for ... what? The sadistic pleasure of those in power?

We are ruled by nasty people.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
19. If you see them as tools of the banksters who are using "austerity" to pull in billions, if not
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

trillions of dollars off of the scam, then it all makes sense. "Disaster Capitalism".

Blecht

(3,806 posts)
22. I think that's a fair assessment
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:27 PM
Nov 2012

I really think they view the suffering of the masses as an added bonus of their strategy.

Scare people, steal all their money while they're distracted, and enjoy their suffering. Who could ask for anything more?



 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
4. Austerity is nothing but a scam
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:13 AM
Nov 2012

Designed so that the illegitimate debt of the uber rich are paid for by the workers.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
5. Bingo!
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:09 AM
Nov 2012

Anyone who knows anything about economics knows austerity during a downturn is the WRONG thing to do. Most leaders know quite a bit about economics so I'm going to hazard a guess and say they are profiting from austerity somehow and I think you hit the nail on the head - they want the non-rich to pay the rich's gambling debts. Privatize profits, socialize the losses etc.

Dustlawyer

(10,539 posts)
6. That's what happens when you try to cut your way to prosperity. You can only send a little to
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:09 AM
Nov 2012

debt reduction as well b/c there is no $.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
8. And revenues continue to spiral down the toilet as fewer people have income to be taxed
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nov 2012

It's pure idiocy and has been proven to be pure idiocy time and time again.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. The 'problem' is that 75% of Greeks want to keep the euro.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:47 AM
Nov 2012
...opinion polls show that, while over 75 percent of Greeks are in favour of retaining the euro, more than 60 percent are against the austerity measures that such a course would seem to imply.

http://www.periscopepost.com/2012/05/in-greece-the-far-left-is-becoming-the-far-right/

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
20. That's so weird
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:34 PM
Nov 2012

The people rioting there get that the Euro is what brought them the problems.

Or maybe they don't? I'm lucky that I understand economics, and see why having private banks finance countries is just STUPID.

davekriss

(5,420 posts)
10. Doesn't the fiscal cliff result in austerity?
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:28 AM
Nov 2012

It takes money out of the economy in 2 ways, (1) additional taxes not collected since the Clinton years, and (2) sequestration, reducing government services and jobs related to those services.

Both will push us into recession. Knowing this, the Dow has shed a thousand points.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
11. no
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:54 AM
Nov 2012

it reverts to higher taxes just like during Clinton, You know how well that worked (until brush got in)

davekriss

(5,420 posts)
12. Raising taxes/cutting spending is anti-keynesian
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:28 AM
Nov 2012

It is the reverse of stimulus. Personally I am all for going off the cliff, but until sequestration is (subsequently) reversed, it will dampen economic activity. Cmon' man, read Keynes. Read Krugman, for that matter.

(However I do fully believe that what we have taking place is good ol' Chicago School Shock Doctrine!)

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
23. If we go over the cliff
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:53 PM
Nov 2012

That increases revenue 950 billion (per Hartman). Then I would think the repugs , having lost all their tax write offs, would be more than willing to work with the Dems.

I am very familiar with shock doctrine and two Santa clause theory. That is partly why we are in this mess now.

davekriss

(5,420 posts)
13. Postscript
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:30 AM
Nov 2012

I am all for going off the cliff because of the mandatory and significant cuts in defense spending. Return to Clinton-era taxation is pretty cool too. But it is anti-stimulative and thus austere in effect.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
15. It's probably not a "double dip"--they probably never left recession in the first place. nt
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:48 AM
Nov 2012

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
21. I vote for deeper dip
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:36 PM
Nov 2012

And "Depression" rather than "Recession"

Recession is what we have when they take a small chunk out of the economy.

gravity

(4,157 posts)
17. Going over the fiscal cliff is austerity
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:56 AM
Nov 2012

You are raising taxes and cutting spending which will suppress the economy. The taxes on the rich won't have a major impact, but the ones on the middle class will.

The only good thing is that it is the type of austerity that Republicans hate, so they will come to the table to negotiate, but it is still austerity. If a deal isn't reached soon enough, we will experience a double dip recession too.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
24. You don't need to cut spending
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:56 PM
Nov 2012

If you raise taxes! Are you saying the billionaires are going to go broke because they have to pay their share?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. They like it when there's an economic crisis
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:57 AM
Nov 2012

because they hope we'll get scared enough to let them do anything they want. And what they want is to have a completely free market with absolutely no oversight or regulation so they can manage to get all money in the country to the richest people at the expense of everyone else. Don't fall for the hype.

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