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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,713 posts)
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 01:20 PM Aug 2023

Texas judge has declared unconstitutional a law that limits the power of Democrat-led cities

A Texas judge has declared unconstitutional a law championed by Gov. Greg Abbott that limits the power of Democrat-led cities


Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas, a Republican, signed a bill into law in June that prohibited cities from passing certain local ordinances. It was widely seen as an effort to curb the power of Democrat-led cities.

Now, a judge has ruled it unconstitutional.

District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble of Texas announced the decision on Wednesday in response to a lawsuit from the city of Houston.

"I am thrilled that Houston, our legal department, and sister cities were able to obtain this victory for Texas cities," Mayor Sylvester Turner of Houston wrote in a statement. "HB 2127 was a power grab by the Legislature and an unwarranted and unconstitutional intrusion into local power granted to Houston and other home-rule cities by the Texas Constitution."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-texas-judge-has-declared-unconstitutional-a-law-championed-by-gov-greg-abbott-that-limits-the-power-of-democrat-led-cities/ar-AA1g0onN
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Texas judge has declared unconstitutional a law that limits the power of Democrat-led cities (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2023 OP
Indeed it is a power grab denying the city of their election officials MagickMuffin Aug 2023 #1
It is not about turning Houston Red Lithos Aug 2023 #2
Which is the process of turning Houston red, it's a pipe dream MagickMuffin Aug 2023 #3
Now that will PO a lot of Texans. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #4
No it won't because nothing happened. It's just an opinion and has no teeth. LeftInTX Aug 2023 #7
Says here it is a ruling. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #8
Despite judge's ruling, Death Star bill will still go into effect Friday LeftInTX Aug 2023 #12
She didn't prevent the law from going into effect: Which is tomorrow, Sept 1st. LeftInTX Aug 2023 #5
Democratically-led cities Silent3 Aug 2023 #6
the OP is the one who altered it, twice Celerity Aug 2023 #11
Ugh. Silent3 Aug 2023 #14
Thank you nt dflprincess Aug 2023 #20
IMO it works ok with the hyphen treestar Aug 2023 #24
A more accurate fix would be just "cities." Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #25
Good malaise Aug 2023 #9
we must continue to fight these fascist block by block Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #10
Repubs prattle on about state's rights, parental rights, local control... until it interferes with t keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #13
My personal bugaboo -- There is no such thing as the "Democrat party." OMGWTF Aug 2023 #15
Yeah, I guess someone there caught that too, and changed it. 4lbs Aug 2023 #18
...I'm sure that means Cities.. thomski64 Aug 2023 #16
Nice. So... Texas Republicans took a Gamble... and lost. 4lbs Aug 2023 #17
They didn't lose at all. It's a local Democratic, Travis County judge, not a federal judge. LeftInTX Aug 2023 #19
There need to be serious consequences for knowingly passing unconstitutional laws. LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #21
Had the law been as described in the headlines, it would have been knowingly passing Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #26
The judge must have found something in the law that violates the Texas Constitution, but LeftInTX Aug 2023 #29
My point is that the headline inaccurately describes the law. Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #33
I have not read the law, but this follows a spate of local laws that: LeftInTX Aug 2023 #34
I haven't dealt with it in Texas. Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #35
What should the penelty be Zeitghost Aug 2023 #36
To clarify, the judge ruled the law violates the Texas constitution eallen Aug 2023 #22
Thank you! Thought it had something to do with this. LeftInTX Aug 2023 #30
Uh oh...Houston will be bluer than ever in '24! PortTack Aug 2023 #23
Listening to MSNBC about Houston school takeover Marthe48 Aug 2023 #27
No! This ruling means nothing...Law goes into effect at midnight. LeftInTX Aug 2023 #31
That's too bad Marthe48 Aug 2023 #32
Fuck you MAGAs! Initech Aug 2023 #28

MagickMuffin

(18,318 posts)
1. Indeed it is a power grab denying the city of their election officials
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 01:25 PM
Aug 2023



The only way they can turn Houston red is to subvert the process.



Lithos

(26,638 posts)
2. It is not about turning Houston Red
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 01:35 PM
Aug 2023

It is a case of suppressing the wishes of a majority of citizens.

L-

MagickMuffin

(18,318 posts)
3. Which is the process of turning Houston red, it's a pipe dream
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 01:41 PM
Aug 2023



I realize that would probably never happen but as a 5th generation Texan I know how they subvert and oppress the will of the voters.


I’ve worked elections as a Precinct chair until 2016, that was my last time serving as an alternate presiding judge.


LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
7. No it won't because nothing happened. It's just an opinion and has no teeth.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 01:46 PM
Aug 2023

It's a Democratic local judge. Decision has been appealed to the all Republican Texas Supreme Court.
Law goes into effect tomorrow.

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/judge-blocks-texas-death-sar-law-that-erodes-cities-power-to-enact-local-rules-san-antonio-house-bill-2127-houston-ruling-constitution“The judgment today by a Democrat Travis County District Judge is not worth the paper it’s printed on,” Burrows said after the ruling. “The Texas Supreme Court will ultimately rule this law to be completely valid. The ruling today has no legal effect or precedent, and should deter no Texan from availing themselves of their rights when HB2127 becomes law on September 1, 2023.”

republianmushroom

(22,325 posts)
8. Says here it is a ruling.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 01:51 PM
Aug 2023

Texas judge has declared unconstitutional a law that limits the power of Democrat-led cities
A Texas judge has declared unconstitutional a law championed by Gov. Greg Abbott that limits the power of Democrat-led cities
Now, a judge has ruled it unconstitutional.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-texas-judge-has-declared-unconstitutional-a-law-championed-by-gov-greg-abbott-that-limits-the-power-of-democrat-led-cities/ar-AA1g0onN

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218236722

LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
12. Despite judge's ruling, Death Star bill will still go into effect Friday
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 02:08 PM
Aug 2023
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/judge-blocks-texas-death-sar-law-that-erodes-cities-power-to-enact-local-rules-san-antonio-house-bill-2127-houston-ruling-constitution

She's a state circuit judge, not a federal judge. She found it violated the Texas constitution and if she found it violated the US Constitution, it is not the correct jurisdiction.
The all Republican Texas Supreme Court will be the appellate court.

Only a federal judge can stop a bill based on the US Constitution.

LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
5. She didn't prevent the law from going into effect: Which is tomorrow, Sept 1st.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 01:44 PM
Aug 2023

The AG is appealing her decision to the Texas Supreme Court.

I applaud our Democratic district court judges, but when it comes to statewide laws, they don't have much teeth. Her opinion is not going to change the implementation of this specific law.

We saw this with the abortion law, with the Harris County election admin law, and the anti-puberty blocker laws. All were found unconstitutional by Democratic District Judges, but were sent to all Republican Texas Supreme Court.


https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/judge-blocks-texas-death-sar-law-that-erodes-cities-power-to-enact-local-rules-san-antonio-house-bill-2127-houston-ruling-constitution
“The judgment today by a Democrat Travis County District Judge is not worth the paper it’s printed on,” Burrows said after the ruling. “The Texas Supreme Court will ultimately rule this law to be completely valid. The ruling today has no legal effect or precedent, and should deter no Texan from availing themselves of their rights when HB2127 becomes law on September 1, 2023.”

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
25. A more accurate fix would be just "cities."
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 04:05 PM
Aug 2023

The law impacts home rule - which applies to all cities. Not just those led by Democrats.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
13. Repubs prattle on about state's rights, parental rights, local control... until it interferes with t
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 02:17 PM
Aug 2023

Repubs prattle on about state's rights, parental rights, local control... until it interferes with their own big gov't.

OMGWTF

(5,131 posts)
15. My personal bugaboo -- There is no such thing as the "Democrat party."
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 03:21 PM
Aug 2023

It's 'Democratic-led cities'. FFS!

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
18. Yeah, I guess someone there caught that too, and changed it.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 03:29 PM
Aug 2023

Now when one goes to the link, everything reads "Democratic" now.

Makes me wonder though, about the original writer and editor.

EDIT: Just read the posts above, so...



thomski64

(936 posts)
16. ...I'm sure that means Cities..
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 03:23 PM
Aug 2023

..run by Democrats, or Democatic administrations
.. and not the insulting " limpballs" frame..

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
17. Nice. So... Texas Republicans took a Gamble... and lost.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 03:27 PM
Aug 2023

Somehow I think that Governor Abbott is frantically searching for a loophole that will still allow him to do all those vile things in that law.

LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
19. They didn't lose at all. It's a local Democratic, Travis County judge, not a federal judge.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 03:38 PM
Aug 2023
Despite judge's ruling, Death Star bill will still go into effect FridayUPDATE: According to the Attorney General of Texas, the bill will continue to go into effect this Friday.

“While the judge declared HB 2127 unconstitutional, she did not enjoin enforcement of the law by Texans who are harmed by local ordinances, which HB 2127 preempts. The Office of the Attorney General has also immediately appealed because the ruling is incorrect. This will stay the effect of the court’s declaration pending appeal. As a result, HB 2127 will go into effect on September 1,” stated the Attorney General of Texas.

“The judgment today by a Democrat Travis County District Judge is not worth the paper it’s printed on,” Burrows said after the ruling. “The Texas Supreme Court will ultimately rule this law to be completely valid. The ruling today has no legal effect or precedent, and should deter no Texan from availing themselves of their rights when HB2127 becomes law on September 1, 2023.”



Only a federal judge can legally declare that a state wide law violates that US Constitution. This was a local judge. If she said it violated the US Constitution, she doesn't have standing. If she's saying it violates the Texas Constitution, then it goes through the state courts. The appeal is going to the all Republican Texas State Supreme Court.

This has already happened three times this summer. It happened with the puberty blocker bill last week. A Travis County judge said it was constitutional, it was appealed to the Texas Supreme Court. Puberty blockers will be banned tomorrow. Same with the Harris County Elections Admin Case. (However, that case has better chance if it is filed in federal court. )

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
26. Had the law been as described in the headlines, it would have been knowingly passing
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 04:07 PM
Aug 2023

unconstitutional laws.

It isn't, though. The law applies to home rule, regardless of which party is in charge.

LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
29. The judge must have found something in the law that violates the Texas Constitution, but
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 05:20 PM
Aug 2023

her opinion is being appealed to the all Republican Supreme Court. (Caveat: The Texas constitution promises lots of things and delivers on few, such as adequate funding of public education)

She also did not stay the law, so it goes into affect at midnight.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
33. My point is that the headline inaccurately describes the law.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 05:45 PM
Aug 2023

The law says absolutely nothing about cities led by Democrats. It is a law about home rule. It may or may not be constitutional - I don't know Texas law. But it is misleading to describe the law as "limit{ing} the power of Democrat-led cities." It also limits the power of Republican-led cities.

LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
34. I have not read the law, but this follows a spate of local laws that:
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 05:47 PM
Aug 2023

Banned plastic bags
Banned fracking in city limits.

Plastic bag bans and fracking bans were specifically outlawed in the 2013 session.

Now this is a broad law to pre-empt many local ordinances.

My question: Does it go too far? Does it prevent things like local speed limits and codes etc? (I have not read the law, so I don't know)
Every session alot of legislation is hap-hazardly passed that contradicts all sorts of thing.

Abbott said the purpose of the bill was to keep Texas "business friendly". Also, it was also in response to local abortion and marijuana ordinances.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
35. I haven't dealt with it in Texas.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 06:36 PM
Aug 2023

But from my Ohio dealings with home rule laws, it is about as complicated as the Federal/State preemption laws. Mostly what I remember is that when we got a home rule case my Judge would ask me to grab the Oak Tree case (which he had written on the binding of the reporter).

But, again, what I was commenting on was solely the description of the law as limiting the power of Democrat-led cities - specifically. It doesn't, at least not any more than it limits the power of Republican-led cities.

eallen

(2,983 posts)
22. To clarify, the judge ruled the law violates the Texas constitution
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 03:56 PM
Aug 2023

The Texas constitution includes clauses about home rule for cities.

It's poor reporting that the story didn't even say which constitution was at issue.


LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
30. Thank you! Thought it had something to do with this.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 05:23 PM
Aug 2023

Each session, Texas hap-hazardly creates laws that contradict, it's own constitution.

This is going to be appealed with the all Republican Supreme Court, which often doesn't follow their own rules.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
27. Listening to MSNBC about Houston school takeover
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 04:09 PM
Aug 2023

Does this ruling mean that the takeover that already happened will be reversed?

I'm so sick of fascist takeover by mouthbreathing, jackbooted, penile inadequate asses.

LeftInTX

(34,292 posts)
31. No! This ruling means nothing...Law goes into effect at midnight.
Thu Aug 31, 2023, 05:26 PM
Aug 2023

It's a local judge's opinion only. She did nothing but write an opinion.

Houston ISD has nothing to do with the City of Houston. It's under the governance of it's own political subdivision and the state itself. (TEA)

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