CDC done us all wrong

[Waterguy]

CDC took way too long to reach out for testing to catch the CoV-2 virus. When many institutions, both public and private had the technology to perform the testing. And yes, I remember the delayed phone conversation by the CDC talking to biotechs and universities as well as hospitals, detailing how to proceed with PCR testing.

After that delay, it was seemingly too late.
A quick code and a go ahead would have saved a lot of grief.

Soon smart people did step in, they started monitoring sewage systems - which is not something new. Efforts to monitoring sewage systems were around in US during the 1850's - there is and has been a major effort since then to perfect the best ways to accomplish this task.

That's what a Congress elected by the people ought to be talking about.

Instead, from the get-go, in the US, what we got was a political division, and yes, starting with Donald Trump.
Blame China - that was his economic policy for everything that is bad, that China virus, after he admitted there was
a problem.

The CDC screwed up, with their messaging, which coincided with a fascist asshole residing as president of the US telling people
Ivermectin was the cure, or perhaps, "bleach has a cleansing property, perhaps if we could you know", --- I don't know where he was going with that live statement / but there were some dumb people out there --- where was poison control / where the fuck was a national health system - I grew up in the sixties, as a kid, I was maybe misled when I thought maybe there was one once.

We are not prepared. It's often seen in our ways of life. I'm a glass is half full kind of guy.

Actually, water is important - stop the fracking, stop the jerks who do nothing to protect our environment and are opposed to fixing our dilapidated infrastructure year after year - for several decades now...

The CDC done us wrong doesn't mean we should do away with the CDC.

Just the fricking opposite!

Peace!

[GP6971]

1. Huh???

Did you take a wrong turn somewhere?

[Waterguy]

6. Bits and Pieces here and there

https://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/mph-modules/ph/publichealthhistory/publichealthhistory7.html

A big part of the fight against the bubonic plague in San Francisco had to do with disposal, not exactly monitoring sewage systems,
which were not exactly what they are today, but with the understanding of how people live day to day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastewater-based_epidemiology

I would say for the most part, infectious disease has always, always been something that was required study.

[agingdem]

9. I'm with you..hands off the CDC!!

who was the president that trashed Obama's pandemic protocols once he was in office?...and who was the president that ignored career epidemiologists when they warned him of the oncoming global pandemic?...and who was the president that downplayed the gravity of the pandemic and sidelined physicians and scientists in favor of quacks and shamans?..and who was the president that altered CDC guidelines and statistics?...and who was the president that suggested ingesting Clorox and injecting Lysol were covid cure-alls?..and who was the president that "disappeared" 300,000 deaths because his approval numbers were tanking?...TRUMP!!!

[GP6971]

10. Spot on!! n/t

[leftstreet]

2. The agency should have been investigated

lifting a mask mandate for vaccinated people when they knew vaxxed could still carry and infect



It's no surprise people increasingly lose faith in government institutions

[Waterguy]

7. Wearing a mask was not a political statement

limiting the first method of transmitting any virus is not a political statement.
the hospitals filled and when hospitals fill with people infected by a new virus,
it's a good idea to protect not only yourself but others - remember, first they said,
distance yourself, then, later they said wear a mask, but of course due to global
supply shortages there wasn't enough n95 masks available - but heck, even
a self made cloth mask is better than no mask at all...


This has nothing to do with right versus left. And everything towards doing your part to keep
people who have health problems safe. You know, people with heart conditions, people with cancer,
anybody who is an auto accident and finds their care less than adequate due to the the large number of folks
requiring care from a virus, such as Covid - which the public at large has been largely misinformed about.

[Blues Heron]

3. what they testing the sewage for in the 1850s?

[Wednesdays]

5. Likely back then they were testing for cholera

Which was rampant in many urban areas in the mid-19th Century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1846%E2%80%931860_cholera_pandemic

[Blues Heron]

13. Thanks

[Igel]

19. They weren't testing for cholera.

The bacterium that caused cholera was first described in 1854, to be sure, but that was pretty much ignored for years. It had no effect on the disease for many a year. The bacterium wasn't even identified as the cause of cholera for another 30 years, so how could the 1854 identification have an effect?

So they weren't monitoring for something they couldn't identify and didn't know caused cholera. Not in the 1850s, not in the 1880s.

What *was* current was the idea that disease was caused by "miasma," sort of an emanation from something tainted. In the link referred to in Wiki (the 1854 outbreak) somebody showed that a particular pumping station was responsible for a cluster of deaths. The disease was spread by *that* water source, not by others. Turns out that the Thames was contaminated and the cause. The hypothesis was tested by water filtering and switching to cleaner water sources--both of which resulted in a quick, immediate drop in cholera incidence.

The idea that germs caused disease wouldn't come along till the early 1860s and only then did a bacterial cause for disease come along. (And then they were flummoxed by viruses, another unknown unknown that caused disease but which *wasn't* a bacterium or detectable by them given their tech).

(Another map-based result of other diseases showed that sewers were good, shit-in-streets bad.)

[Waterguy]

8. So you have to study history of disease - and of all kinds. Here's an excerpt I came upon.

A second factor was the emergence of the Enlightenment in the 18th century, which embraced democracy, citizenship, reason, rationality, and the social value of intelligence (the value of information gathering). These ideas provided important underpinnings for public health. In the early 1800s, Jeremy Bentham and his disciples (the theoretical radicals) developed the philosophy of utilitarianism which provided a theoretic underpinning for health policy and wider social policies. One theme was that the reduction of mortality and improvements in health had an economic value to society. Healthy workers were more able to contribute to the economy of the state. Implicit in utilitarianism was the notion that one could measure 'evil' by the degree of misery that was created (or relieved) by a particular action. To Bentham the welfare of both the wealthy and the poor could be achieved most efficiently with good government.

Yet another factor was the recognition that poor health was a burden that fell disproportionately on the poor. Villerme, a physician in Paris had noticed that mortality rates varied widely among the districts (arrondissement) of Paris. He tried to correlate mortality with the distance of the arrondissement from the Seine River, the relationship of the streets to the prevailing winds, the arrondissement's source of water and local climatological factors such as soil type, exposure to the sun, elevation and inclination of the arrondissement. None of these things correlated. However, when he used tax rates as an indicator of wealth, Villerme found a striking correlation with mortality rates.

The graph below shows the correlation between poverty and mortality rates among different districts (arrondissements) in Paris found by Villerme. This relationship has persisted for centuries, and it is a powerful predictor of health.

[Blues Heron]

12. Thanks, v. interesting

[rainy]

4. I remember Nancy Pelosi everyday

saying we need testing testing testing, but Trump wouldn’t make it happen!

[Waterguy]

11. yes, health professionals were scolded by Trump

The Trump administration seemingly at first tried to make Covid seem to be a minor thing.
There was a lot of chaos - not any policy discussions on how to deal with supply shortages in the public heath area.
So we didn't test quickly enough, and, we didn't realize we had real healthcare shortages soon enough.
And all of this sat, along with disorderly messaging, and then, when suddenly the hospitals filled up, and soon state governors fought with one another in the so called free-market system, for whatever required ventilators and gloves and gowns they could purchase at almost any ungodly price, in order to protect healthworkers, and the people who lived in their state .
Hell, they had the stuff pulled in by plane and ships from all over of the globe, sight unseen, or buyer beware as they say...


Hell, there's a lot of shit Trump did that was wrong. With Trump you had a president who care about himself, his own ego,
and not much else.

[Waterguy]

15. Pelosi was the best Speaker of the House, in my lifetime.

Maybe there was always some kind of silent revolution underfoot.
Maybe, it started with the voice of Bernie Sanders, a progressive prophet of sorts,
was what guided A more skilled and thoughtful young youth to push forward and even go out of their way

to Actually try to Represent the people in this Democracy by the People.

I think there is a movement - and I think Nancy Pelosi deserves a lot of credit for politically sending
the right kind of political message.

Why are you here, why did you choose to get elected into office as a US congress member - who do you represent,
and why?

We see that in order to keep a Democracy, actually to improve people's lives in a democratic way, takes real conviction,
and it takes real contribution from informed citizens who know, it's not me, or us, against them. This isn't a market competition when we talk about equality and public safety. It's not a market competition when we talk about disease, or when we talk about man-made climate change due to fossil fuels.

We're talking about elected officials being hopefully the most informed, duly elected to lead the way.

Not bantering or stupid "The Apprentice" slogans - btw, what an asshole Trump is - as most people know!

[Mr.Bill]

14. Another huge disaster that happened early on

was when Trump, athough he said he stopped all travel to the USA from China, in reality let 42,000 expats in China return home. There was no testing yet, no one wore masks, they were herded through airports shoulder to shoulder and without quarantining dispersed to cities all over the country. The virus exploded quickly after that.

[Scrivener7]

16. I completely agree. That response was a mess. But more, I agree

with your last two lines: acknowledging that the CDC response to Covid was awful does not mean anyone wants to do away with the CDC. Instead, the CDC should be upgrading its protocols for disease response and messaging. That can't be allowed to happen again.

Peace back atcha!

[Hortensis]

17. Outrageous and disgusting. Remember the tRump admin allowing

plane and shiploads people to return from epidemic areas and fan out across our country without quarantine. tRump even personally welcomed at least one on TV.

He and RW voices told the nation Covid was a Democratic lie, then the flu, and to spit at warnings by spreading it around their families, friends, churches, and communities and to travel and spread it around the nation.

The CDC has NO authority to mandate anything.

Half the nation defiantly did as RW leaders said, and many died for their factional stupidity.

Freeedom!

[gristy]

18. CoV-2?

What is that?