Are the Proud Boys incels?

[leftyladyfrommo]

They claim not to be racist but they seem to be anti just about everything. Terrible misogynists.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

1. Water is also wet

[Eugene]

2. Ideologically compatible with a nontrivial overlap in membership.

Two closely related subsets of the "manosphere."

[RandySF]

3. Yes

[magicarpet]

4. Well,... if they ain't incels yet,...

... they likely will be after 18 years behind prison walls. A hole they dug for themselves. Toxic Masculinity on full display.

[Ocelot II]

5. All incels are misogynists but not all misogynists are incels. However, the PBs

and others of their ilk are certainly misogynists, and it wouldn't be surprising if there were a fair number of incels among them - angry young men whose personalities make them repellent to women, which of course is the women's fault. The older ones are more likely to be just garden-variety sexist assholes.

[TSExile]

14. Absolutely!!!

You hit the nail right on the head.

[viva la]

6. Here's an infographic with demographic info--

Most are older than 30, half are married. Almost half are parents.

They are more likely than average to be unemployed and have criminal records (but because they are overwhelmingly male, criminal background isn't so glaring as more men have that than women).

I think incels skew younger and less socially involved. Hatred of women is more central to their worldview, though they do hate men who are "cooler" or more successful, and more successful men of another race would outrage them.

The Proud Boys to me are familiar-- angry over-30 white guys who are likely to have or develop anti-social attitudes. Trump gave them a channel to feel important and affirmed.
The pre-civil rights era KKK were much more likely to be prominent citizens--even mayors and sheriffs-- because the whole Southern white culture depended on segregation and oppression. But the post-1950s KKK people in my experience (I knew some) were more like Proud Boys-- angry, resentful, no longer "protecting the status quo" but "actively and violently asserting power".

One common thread with all these disaffected anti-social guys-- they are very easily exploited by rich men. And they never ever ever figure it out. I keep waiting for some of those defendants going off to jail to say, "Hey, wait a minute! Why am I in prison, and Trump is jetting around grifting more money?" I think I've just heard one of them point that out.


https://www.start.umd.edu/sites/default/files/publications/local_attachments/Proud%20Boy%20Crimes%20and%20Characteristics%20January%202022%20FINAL.pdf

[BComplex]

12. Well, until the prisons quit running fux noise 24/7, any of them who end up imprisoned are going

to become more misogynistic and more criminal and more republican.

I so wish this administration would make the prisons and the military quit playing right wing hate on the tv's that our tax dollars have paid for.

[viva la]

26. Ack, that's scary

Bad enough that every car-repair place I've ever been in has Faux News running all the time.

[ironman99]

7. They are not Incels

They are not InCels!!!! Have lost the ability to have sex. There are very few involuntary celibates.

They are Voluntary Jackasses and S**theads. Because of this and the fact that they live in mom's basement, no thinking female will anything to do with them.

[viva la]

27. I had to laugh--

"Involuntary" kind of implies they have the right to sex and everyone is being mean and denying them.

They have no understanding that women have every right to refuse them.

[brush]

8. My question is how do these cosplay toughs pay rent and bills?

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Can't keep a job being all militia-ey all day.

[Mistermike]

9. If their published goals are to be believed, they are not incels per se...

See bullet #7

Abolish Prisons” because there are too many “human beings” in “cages.”

– “Give Everyone A Gun” because “mostly bad guys have guns, but good guys need them too. This will help prevent crime.”

– “Legalize Drugs” because “the drug war is a failure” and is only creating more prisoners.

– “End Welfare” because it has “shattered families” by incentivizing women to leave their husbands.

– “Close the Borders” because “we need to build a wall and encourage assimilation” and patriotism.

– “Outlaw Censorship” because “The West has thrived with the checks and balances open discussion provides. Without it, fascism thrives.”

– “Venerate the Housewife” because “Proud Boys are encouraged to put a ring on it and knock her up.”

– “Glorify the Entrepreneur” because they made many sacrifices and they are the ones “who got us here.”

– “Recognize the West is the Best” because “we fought hard to be #1 and we won. All other cultures are not merely different than us. They are worse.”

– “Shut down the Government” because they “rob us of our hard-earned wages” and no one else needs to be in control of another man’s freedom and destiny.

[leftyladyfrommo]

11. Thank you. What a bunch of numnuts. They are

finding out thst their actions have severe consequences. Makes even those think twice.

[JI7]

10. Most right wing fundamentalists are incels

Including in other cultures and religions.

right wing ideology attracts certain loser types.

[BComplex]

13. True. n/t

[Elessar Zappa]

15. I'm not sure about "most".

Some, sure, but Fundamentalist Christian churches are filled with married couples.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. Well, they do have to pledge not to masturbate...

I’m not joking.

[cyclonefence]

21. And it's weirder than that, even

they pledge not to masturbate unless they are within three feet of a woman. (just threw up in my mouth a little)

[GreenWave]

17. I bet they are not favorites of most women

[Hekate]

18. I don't want to contemplate their sex lives or lack thereof.

[Iggo]

19. Probably started out that way.

Hatred of women doesn’t come from nowhere. You gotta hate yourself first.

[SYFROYH]

20. You have to remember that 53% of white women voted for Trump

[Hortensis]

22. Some are married or have other sexual relationships,

so obviously no, even if some would identify that way.

[Wonder Why]

23. Not all of them are in cells but a bunch are and others are headed that way!

[GenThePerservering]

24. Weren't they the chuds who were begging for "housewives"

and had a "Summer of Love" and were displaying themselves trying to attract women like a lot of fluffy-headed birds? If I recall it didn't work out very well.

[Midnight Writer]

25. I think their newest leader has announced that they are racist and denounced the old leadership.

[MineralMan]

28. Involuntarily, yes.

I mean, what woman with any sense at all would hook up with one of them?

[leftyladyfrommo]

29. Love is blind, deaf and dumb sometimes. And then the

magic wears off and you're looking for a women's shelter for you and the kids.

[MineralMan]

30. Yes. Sad to say, that is a common theme.

[leftyladyfrommo]

31. Sometimes hormones can cause one to make

really unwise decisions. Doesn't just happen to deplorables.

[MineralMan]

32. Well, that's more common with adolescents, really.

Normally, adulthood leads to fewer such decisions, at least for most people.

[leftyladyfrommo]

33. One would hope but I've seen some older people

do some pretty dumb things.

[MineralMan]

34. True enough. We have only to look at the MAGA Morons.

[leftyladyfrommo]

35. Well. Sometimes I just need to look in the mirror.

But my intensions were good. Misplaced but good.

[Initech]

36. They're pieces of shit regardless of what label you slap on them.

[leftyladyfrommo]

37. Those guys are trouble. nt