That Big Poll Showing Trump and Biden Are Evenly Matched? Trump Helped Pay for It.

[Peacetrain]

https://news.yahoo.com/big-poll-showing-trump-biden-204914227.html

A recent Wall Street Journal poll announced that most voters think Joe Biden is too old to be president for a second term—and a 2024 matchup between Biden and Donald Trump would be evenly split. The poll has since been covered across multiple mainstream media outlets, including MSNBC, CNN, and Fox.

There’s just one problem: The poll was conducted in part by Trump’s former campaign pollster.

The poll, which was published Monday, found that Biden and Trump are tied with 46 percent support each. But “nearly three-quarters of voters say the president is too old to run again,” the Journal article said. It has garnered widespread media attention and outrage. MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough pointed out that Trump has been indicted four times and lied many, many more times, and yet he is tied with Biden simply because the latter is just three years older.

[elleng]

1. THANKS!

[Recycle_Guru]

2. keep the faith, folks..there are a LOT of undecideds who will break for Biden

[GreenWave]

3. So Fabrizio fabricated this?

Such are the fact checkers

[peppertree]

14. And the Wall Greed Journal

Since Murdoch bought them out, they've lost what little credibility they had - and they definitely have an oar in this one.

[ZonkerHarris]

4. Knew it was sus as soon as I saw the numbers

J

[ananda]

7. Same. Biden is way ahead of Trump, but ...

the media needs a horse race.

Biden's got this, y'all!!!!

[WVGal1963]

5. Polls

Hi DU friends…..Polls are no longer accurate. Not that they ever were. But polling methods were based on land lines. Pollsters no longer have any methodology.I have been saying this for years. Remember the “red wave” that was supposed to happen and didn’t?

Polls. Oops. WAY WRONG.

[former9thward]

9. If polls are wrong why do Democratic candidates spend millions getting poll results?

[PortTack]

16. Agree...if one takes a look at the last 3 election cycles you can see the polls were not correct

[onecaliberal]

28. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[CaptainTruth]

31. Actually, some polls have been very accurate in recent elections.

The problem is most polls are based on random calls/contacts of voters, which can, if done properly, accurately model the popular vote, but the popular vote generally doesn't represent the effects of gerrymandering or the electoral college.

So, folks who don't understand that tend to think that "poll results" should be the same as "the election outcome," but they're not the same thing.

[WVGal1963]

6. YES!!

Always follow the “money” when it comes to polls……SOMEONE is PAYING for the POLL.

[LiberaBlueDem]

8. According to this Biden will win by 8 points

Thats not even figuring for first time voters who will vote for Biden by 3 to 1.

Plus all the voters who were trumper who will be sick and tired of con45 and his trials.

[Mr.Bill]

13. Yep, this time much if not most of Trump's free air time

will consist of courtroom sketches.

[dchill]

10. And the media are pumping the narrative...

...and catapulting the propaganda. Eagerly. These polls are lies.

[Takket]

11. once again the media fails us........

drumpf buying a poll? not a big deal. It's a free country.

The problem: A major media outlet picked up the poll, and either didn't look into its sources, or did look into the source and just shrugged it off, or did look into the source and published it because it supported a right wing agenda they share. In any of the three cases, whichever it is, they failed us.

[iluvtennis]

12. tfg - always pushing false narratives. ugggh.

[BadgerMom]

15. K and R

[budkin]

17. Same as the "Red Wave" polls in 2022

This is how it works now.

[calimary]

35. Indeed. The fearsome "Red Wave." And how'd that one work out?

[BumRushDaShow]

18. This is the type of thing that happened last fall

predicting the "Red Tsunami®" and that women were "over it" when it came to Roe v Wade.

It will always be a GOTV effort - and that may mean running the gauntlet of the GOP inserting obstacles into the actual voting process - whether requiring Voter ID and other crap, reducing early voting days, and closing polling sites, among other things, This might also include turning a blind eye to fake "election orgs" who send out misleading or even fraudulent voter registration and/or mail ballot form mailers to certain communities, etc.

[Peacetrain]

21. This is a January 6th set up all over again..they will try and steal the election AGAIN!

and the media is falling for it.. AGAIN!

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Agree

although this time I think we are aware of and on guard for what can happen. But the media needs clicks so they will help magnify all the bullshit for ratings, even if they look stupid doing so. They learned nothing from 2020 or 2022 or perhaps better, the learned they can get away with being part of the problem and not the solution.

I know with the 2022 polling, you had the now-fired Nate Silver defending one set of polls that he included in his aggregates that were done by an outfit run by 2 high school students, arguing that they were somehow "legit", and on the same level with the more traditional outfits.

In the past, when it came to something like this WSJ poll with the funders being who they were - those were pretty much dubbed partisan "internal polls". Now they are promoting them (and by "them", that means GOP-sponsored polls) as "legit". But don't let someone like politicsusa do one and the freak out commences, as they get called out as "partisan".

[dalton99a]

19. Kick

[Wounded Bear]

20. WSJ has really gone to hell...

It was always conservative, TBS, but since Murdoch bought it it has turned into a RW rag.

[keithbvadu2]

22. There are many polls. Pick the one you like and swear by it. Swear at the others.

There are many polls.

Pick the one you like and swear by it.

Swear at the others.

[brooklynite]

23. I'll ask you the question nobody wants to answer...

If you DON'T believe the race is effectively tied (I'm estimating it'll be a 3 point win), what do you think the ACTUAL margin will be?

[gab13by13]

32. 15

[First Speaker]

36. This sounds right to me...

...last time was what, 81 to 75 million? That's about 3 %. 2024 may be a bit higher, but not much.

[madashelltoo]

24. No!

I would have never . . . Oh, who am I fooling. Never believed it. America is slow, not glacial.

[DET]

26. I Wrote It Off

…immediately upon seeing it was published in the Wall Street Journal. It’s a shame…there was a time when that would convey more credibility, not less.

[a kennedy]

27. Exactly, thanks, I can not believe they are tied. No fawking way.

[live love laugh]

29. Republican owned media is to blame. They prop him up.

[4lbs]

30. I also like (meaning really DISLIKE) in these "polls" that they almost never

show you the questions asked to get to these results.

They simply report the results, without the questions or context given.

For example, 75% of voters think Biden is too old.

Ok, so how were the questions posed to get these results?

Were they something like:

"If Biden's challenger is younger than him, do you think 80 is too old to be President?"


"If Trump is the challenger, at 77 years of age, is Biden too old at 80 to be President?"


They may report only on those that answered yes to the first question, without asking WHY.

They will likely ignore all the NOs on the second part, because it doesn't fit their narrative.

Then they will try to say something like "Nearly all voters say they want somebody younger"
when that was not asked.

Well, that isn't going to happen anyway, so effing deal with it.

[gab13by13]

33. How much does it cost to do 1 poll?

The WSJ poll was paid 600k by Trump.

[budkin]

34. You mean he DIDN'T help pay for it

That MF never pays for anything.

[electric_blue68]

37. Heh. After seeing this poll "results" headline earlier I was going to ask in a appropriate thread just How Could they be running neck and neck?

Was going to ask just who was being polled here?

There's was more of us than them in general.

[Fiendish Thingy]

38. Campaigns do internal polls all the time

And leak the results when it suits them, especially for fundraising purposes.

Didn’t I read just last week that Trump’s PAC was running out of money?

[mzmolly]

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