Democrats need to start making what's happening in Wisconsin, the removal of a newly elected

[JohnSJ]

SC justice who won by over 11%, and Alabama, refusing to abide by the Supreme Court ruling on redistricting, a national issue.

There were 149 republicans after the insurrection to overthrow the government, who voted not to certify the election.

If we truly believe this is an existential issue, not calling republicans out for their subversion of Democracy, by our representatives is a dereliction of duty.

We are going to lose are Democracy if we don’t start playing hardball

[GreenWave]

1. + infinity!

[LakeArenal]

2. What is your definition of "hard ball"?

[JohnSJ]

4. Start calling them out as anti-Democratic

[SYFROYH]

31. Anti-democratic is their brand.

[Hekate]

32. Say they are "Un-American" instead. "Unpatriotic."

[JohnSJ]

33. Much better +++

[KS Toronado]

39. "Unpatriotic" on billboards in their districts

for voting against the "Peaceful Transfer of Power", call them out as Fascists for their Jan 6th voting.

WE NEED TO GO AFTER EVERY ONE OF THEM ON THE 2024 BALLOT !

We will be pleasantly surprised how many we get rid of and have a majority in the House & Senate.

[moonshinegnomie]

6. my idea if the try it

1. have the state supreme court declare any impeachment proceedings unconstitutional.
2. declare that the currently gerrymandered legislature is invalid and dissolved
3. have new elections for the entire legislature using new district maps drawn impartially without gerrymandering
4 when the current legislature tries to meet after being removed have them arrested for trespassing.

the wisconsin gop want to subvery the obvious will of the people then its time for extreme action. they have shown thay their is no limit to what extremes they will go to so its time for the dems to take extreme actions

[quakerboy]

38. Cant speak for the OP

But if they are ready to thwart the very obvious will of voters by impeaching a supreme court justice for no cause other than politics, I dont see any reason not to have recall petitions circulating their districts yesterday.

And if for some reason thats not possible... figure out who is in charge of removing them when needed, and replace them. Put voters in charge of the process, at whatever step we are able to give them power over it.

[LakeArenal]

40. I'm no scholar, but this sounds more hard ball than calling the names.

[SWBTATTReg]

3. and we need to play hardball too, in using the 14th amendment to kick out all of those that

supported tRUMP's insurrection. No more 'being nice'. They wouldn't hesitate to throw all democrats under the bus in a heartbeat if they could get away w/ it.

[2naSalit]

28. +1

They are coconspirators after all.

[lapfog_1]

5. arrest them all and charge them with insurrection and treason

let the courts figure it out

[senseandsensibility]

7. I'd like to hear Biden speak to this

It's just too dangerous and clear cut an example of authoritarianism to ignore.

[JohnSJ]

8. I agree

[masmdu]

9. Wait. The Wisconsin SC justice was removed?!?

[maxsolomon]

10. I came here to ask that too.

I think the OP may have jumped the gun on that one.

WI GQPers are talking shit about impeaching her.

[sab390]

12. It's a flaw in the Wisconsin system

If the legislature begins impeachment she cannot participate on the court until the process is over. They can start and never finish and she would never be able to do anything.

[Celerity]

15. No, the WI Rethugs are trying to do a gambit wherein they impeach her by simple majority, which

automatically suspends her from the bench (per the WI constitution), then (as the may not have the votes in the WI Senate to convict and remove) they will just keep her in suspended limbo by not holding the trial. That deadlocks the WI Supreme Court at 3-3, RWers v Libs. The added benefit (for the ratfucking Rethugs)is that it also blocks Governor Evers from simply naming another liberal judge to the WI Supreme Court to replace her IF she was actually removed.

[Dave says]

17. O my! I truly hate what's going on.

[Celerity]

23. The US & the 50 States' constitutions are riddled with loopholes that can destroy democratic (small

d) outcomes.

I call them (especially the US Constitutional ones) long wave constitutional ticking time bombs that can take, in some cases, centuries to manifest themselves.

The Electoral College and the very nature of the US Senate (only 30% of the population will soon control 70% or so of the 100 seats, and that 30 per cent is far more RW, more reactionary, more rural, poorer, whiter, less educated, more racist, more homophobic, more misogynistic, and more fundie christian than the 70 per cent of the population who will only control 30% or so of the 100 seats) are two monstrous examples. The same for the poorly written, ambiguous textual language of the 2nd Amendment.

[Model35mech]

47. That's what happens when you make Grand Compromises.

Living in WI, I really appreciate the chorus John Prine wrote:

"I used to sleep at the foot of Old Glory
and awake in the dawn's early light.
But much to my surprise, when I opened my eyes
I was a victim of the Great Compromise."

We ended up with 2 senators per state, because to get the Constitution adopted, it was necessary to recognize the notion that the states were -- despite variation in population, economic strength, and foot-print on a map of N. Am-- at least in principle, equal under the law.

If you look at the Constitution as it emerged from the Constitutional Convention of 1787 you will notice that of the 3 branches of government only half of one branch, the legislative branch is determined by popular vote. The executive branch and the judicial branch are not. Democracy in the sense of people electing all those who make up the government isn't the model that the Authors used, and mirroring of the size of a states delegation to Congress in proportion to a states population is imperfect, but never intended to be.

Every state gets at least one representative in the House, and not all the population in a state were counted equally.

These weren't glitches. They were done purposefully to ensure adoption of the Constitution with the hope that our governing document could be influenced by progress towards a more perfect nation.

That progress was slow, as we can see in Oklahoma, where Cherokee Indians just now are getting consideration for a House representative that they were "promised" by treaty (I put that in quotes because a Treaty with an Indian Nation is not a vehicle recognized by the writers of the Constitution and there has been a question whether honoring a promise was Constitutional).

Certainly, such representation may seem 'fair', but you know, when it happens the small size of the indigenous nation would create even wider range in the number of citizens each House delegates represent. At the time the Constitution was written making sure that every state had at least one Representative in the House also seemed fair, no matter how much Californians, and residents of states with multiple great cities kick about it now.

These disparities really do exist, and imo, probably won't be amended away. Now, just as when the Constitution was adopted in Convention, people, especially politically active people in small population states, will not willingly agree to change that reduces their existing representation.

[moonshinegnomie]

22. like ive said if that happens the dems need to fight back and fight dirty

nothing should be off the table including removing the entire legislature from office. have the court declare the impeachment invalid and then have the court rule that the gerrymandered legislature is dissolved. order new electiosn with ungerryamndered districts. if the GOP tries to meet in teh capitol afterwards arrest them for trespassing.

if teh GOP doesnt like it tell them to suck eggs.

fight back . fight dirt if required. but realize its war and fight to win.

[WiVoter]

26. The Complaint Was Dismissed

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-impeach-865fadb85762b0039490f218da3b8db8

[Pepsidog]

11. I'm from NJ and have been reading for years what this prick Vos has been doing for a very long time.

[Snackshack]

13. I'm sorry but if this gets me...

Removed then so be it.

The Democratic Party must get its head out of the sand or out of its anatomy take your choice. They must start NOW not after new year now, playing hard ball. Schumers invisibility act is astounding.

I hammer the GOP for its criminal actions in the deaths of over 1.17million Americans, people I know hammer them feel the gop should be dissolved for this…to this day I am stunned by the silence of The Democratic Party on this. The other party propagated the same lies as trump gave him cover at every turn…they still do…for gawd sakes why are the Dems/DNC not doing this at every opportunity they get makes no sense.

YES THEY NEED TO PLAYHARD BALL!!

Full Court Press from now until 3 Nov. 2024. Schumer should set 5-10 Senators from now till then on doing nothing but pushing back and every thing the gop is doing. That hi road low road meme sounds nice and good but the high road cost us over 1 million Americans. Yes, it’s my opinion Dems should have been doing this the second they realized the gop was going to even give trump a chance in 2014-2015.

One thing Schumer could do right now is announce that until we get that there will be no breaks this year or at begging of next year until the gop addresses the issue with their members constantly causing harm and misinforming Americans that it is imperative the Majority Party put America and it’s safety 1st. That a Committee is going to start looking into the actions taken during COVID and find out why we lost as many Americans to COVID as we lost to the Spanish Flu in 1918…1918 when our medical system in its infancy and there was no infrastructure.

[PlutosHeart]

18. Agree

Dems need to step up more. It seems too late almost but step up they must.

[DET]

24. Thank You

I will never understand why our party doesn’t fight back harder. I’m fine with ‘Thay go low, we go lower’ (as long as it’s still reasonably within the bounds of legal behavior). A moronic hayseed like Tuberville should not be allowed to cripple our military, especially if he’s doing it on behalf of a foreign country. A wannabe dictator like DeSantis and a goober Southern state should not be able to flout reasonable gerrymandering protocols. A bunch of prehistoric misogynistic legislators should not be able to disqualify a legitimately elected judge. And it should not take an act of God to bring blatant traitors/seditionists to speedy justice.

[llashram]

14. thank you!

civil is good until one can't be...

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. Has the legislature actually taken any action?

So far I’ve only heard a lot of bluster and Sabre rattling.

If they actually take any action, people should hit the streets.

[appmanga]

19. Yes...

...they should, and they should nationalize this by showing examples from other states where Republicans have decided democracy is much too fair for them. Biden talked about democracy being on the ballot in 2022, it should be talked about more now. From the phony electors plots, to Alabama's disregard for the Supreme Court, to DeSantis' dismissing duly elected officials, to impeaching a judge for no other reason than she's not a Republican, these things need to be part of the 2024 campaign.

[ripcord]

20. After campaigning on cases that are due before the court

She needs to recuse herself from those cases.

[Ford_Prefect]

21. Wisconsin Democrats Combat Threatened Impeachment of Court Justice With $4M Effort

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/wisconsin/articles/2023-09-06/wisconsin-democrats-combat-impeachment-of-court-justice-with-4m-effort

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Wisconsin Democratic Party on Wednesday launched a $4 million effort to pressure Republicans to back down from impeaching a new liberal state Supreme Court justice being targeted after she criticized GOP-drawn legislative electoral maps and spoke in favor of abortion rights.

After investing nearly $10 million in electing Justice Janet Protasiewicz, the effort is meant to protect what Democrats hailed as a major political victory. The judge's election tipped the balance of power in the state Supreme Court, giving Democrats the upper hand in state's fights over abortion and redistricting.

“Republicans are holding a political nuclear football,” Wisconsin Democratic Party Chair Ben Wikler said in reference to impeachment. He said the threat amounted to “political extortion.”

But Republican Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, who has been the most outspoken about possible impeachment, said on WISN-AM that Democrats were “trying to intimidate us” but Republicans won’t back down. Vos also said the Democrats’ action “doesn’t make it more or less likely” that Republicans will pursue impeachment.

[moonshinegnomie]

25. it needs more than money

its time the dems start making these fascists pay a personal price for their actions.

if that means locking the gop reps in prison then so be it.
the time for playing nice or "by the rules" is over. extreme actions by the right require exterem responses by the left

[Ford_Prefect]

27. You may benefit from reading the entire story...

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/wisconsin/articles/2023-09-06/wisconsin-democrats-combat-impeachment-of-court-justice-with-4m-effort

I didn't write the headline. AP news did.

Here is a bit more about the response:

The Wisconsin Constitution limits the reasons to impeach a sitting officeholder to corrupt conduct in office or the commission of a crime.

The Democratic effort, which leaders said will grow to include other groups, will include digital and television ads, in-person voter outreach, and a website tracking where every Republican lawmaker stands on impeachment.

“Politicians should not be overturning elections because they don’t like the results or the outcome,” said Democratic Senate Minority Leader Melissa Agard at a news conference outside the state Capitol. “And we cannot let Robin Vos and Wisconsin’s Republicans get away with this unconstitutional, unprecedented power grab in our state."

[moonshinegnomie]

30. the GOP doesnt care

they will do it anyway. its time for the dems to start fighting back jus as dirty as the GOP is. tv ads arent enough. start treating these fascists like enemies of teh state. I know it sounds extreme but so far in just teh past few months weve had the alabama GOP ignore the supreme court. the Tennessee GOP expel 2 members for nothing. the texas GOP literally banning people from traveling to other states for abortions.

the time for talk is over. Its time to start taking actions as extreme as the GOP is.

[Johonny]

34. Voters need to start making GOP elected officials pay

Forget democrats. The electorate needs to stop the fast March to fascism. Far too many Americans are fooled into thinking GOP fascism is democracy or freedom.

[Bluethroughu]

35. YES THIS!

They've been conspiring since Smedley Butler calling them out. This is the result of not holding domestic traitors accountable, no matter their wealth or political power, they must be removed from office and be held responsible for the SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY they contributed too.

No matter who, business owners or Supreme Court Justices, should be held accountable for acts of Sedition against this country.

[dalton99a]

36. Absolutely.

[brooklynite]

37. They are. I've already been briefed on this.

[JohnSJ]

44. Is it getting covered?

[brooklynite]

45. You knew about it so...yes?

[Jamke]

41. Firestorm bigger than act 10

I think they will regret it if the do. I forsee a huge movement against Rethug totalitarian control.

[Jamke]

42. Firestorm bigger than act 10

I think they will regret it if the do. I forsee a huge movement against Rethug totalitarian control.

[mellow]

43. Fighting democracy is fighting America

And the forces fighting America are anti-American. And they're going to lose.

We need to communicate this repeatedly until it sinks in.

[ancianita]

46. I hear you. But "calling out" Republicans is not hard ball. The voters of WI will not be denied.

They're the only ones who can do anything to preserve democracy there. They did their job. It's not in the national party's power to influence what a state's Republicans try to do to a judge. Only the state's citizens.