New poll - only 33% of DEM VOTERS want Biden as POTUS

[AntivaxHunters]

Oh boy, we've got major problems.
New CNN poll out this morning.
We need a major ad blitz highlighting Biden's accomplishments & we need surrogates all across the country to be visible & accessible ASAP.

Here's the CNN segment discussing the latest poll. Screenshots below. https://news.yahoo.com/biden-unpopularity-could-trump-shot-110113614.html]

[Duncanpup]

1. Unbelievable

[Emile]

2. Exactly

[Duncanpup]

5. I agree

I get so mad at this talk that Biden is old well I tell them he’s in excellent health.

[Calculating]

20. His health isn't the issue

Voters want someone who talks quick, is relatable, and seems energetic.

[Duncanpup]

25. I know and I get fired up over this topic

Yet president Biden is good man as we all know and experienced I hear it at work that Is it Newsome out California the governor needs to run in 2024 it’s ridiculous talk.

No he can run in 2028 I think Christie is a threat to Biden and this RFK is terrible republican attempt to draw dem votes away from joe.

Have great day

[tinrobot]

56. "Talks quick, is relatable, and seems energetic" describes a used car salesman.

[betsuni]

80. +1

[WarGamer]

85. Or a slimy Central Park real estate hustler?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

110. Those are all the qualities of every con artist and psychopath, ever

That's how we got the traitor trash known as TFG.

And Americans wanting stupid, empty garbage like that is why the country is becoming ever more of a s**thole.

Just when in the bloody hell did people start valuing the very MO of Ted Bundy?

[Duncanpup]

48. And the media constantly pushes it Celerity

Yet not one word about trumpig or his age or weight.

[TheBlackAdder]

68. Half of the country would vote for Nikki Haley? Now you know their polls are bullshit.

[madaboutharry]

3. I thought democrats were smarter than this.

Democrats buying into this ageism crap is so disrespectful and disappointing.

[Duncanpup]

6. Thank you

[Think. Again.]

104. They're not...

...the poll and this post are just examples of psychological manipulation intended to weaken the resolve of Democratic voters (and increase viewership/ad revenue)

Otherwise known as opposition hype.

[IA8IT]

4. Piss on Polls I'm voting for Joe. Always with the negative waves, Moriarty

[Lovie777]

14. It's constant...............

bad for Biden

good for shithole

when in fact it's bullshit.

[Sugarcoated]

96. It's way too early to take polls seriously

It's always close this far out. When the rubber hits the road it'll change

[Demsrule86]

133. The poll oversampled the GOP and had a bullshit excuse...they are rooting for Trump at CNN.

[riversedge]

7. I DO NOT LIKE THIS POLL. PERIOD!

[Kingofalldems]

8. Could you make it even glossier?

[AntivaxHunters]

13. They're pics from my phone of a TV screen

Cope.

[betsuni]

72. +1

[RandySF]

9. Your concern is noted.

[ColinC]

11. Seconded

[AntivaxHunters]

17. We should be concerned & it's still early

That means time to correct the problem.
Remember, we're the party of solutions & critical thinkers unlike the fascist trash 🗑️ on the other side.

[phylny]

77. Correct the problem?

There is no problem. I do not believe these polls.

What are we supposed to do, change the date on his birth certificate?

[betsuni]

81. "correct the problem"

[obamanut2012]

76. Yup

[SoFlaBro]

79. I didn't expect all of the concern fucking trolling on here like this original goddamn post.

dfc

[Polybius]

90. I remember "concern" replies in October, 2016

Sometimes, it's ok to be concerned. It's good motivation to get out the vote.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. Just getting crazy

It's a constant chorus from the media about Biden now. They say he's too old all day every day. They say he's doing a bad job all day every day.

He's been easily the best President of my lifetime and gotten more done than I ever thought possible.

The media is going to lead us into a fascist state.

[treestar]

21. the odd thing is, they'd be the first to be arrested

in a fascist state, so what are they on about? Their job would become really boring. What idiots. They should watch N. Korea TV with a translator.

[FalloutShelter]

30. Funny how the MSM has basically ignored his entire presidency.

They talk about NOTHING but the CRIMINAL TRAITOR. Then, when the election comes around again, it's all about Biden's age and NOT his accomplishments...
One would almost think they are in the tank for the TRAITOR.

[Johnny2X2X]

41. His accomplishments are staggering

Got more done in his first 2 years than anyone dreamed he'd get done. Massive bills on infrastructure, climate, and social spending. Massive bills to help vets and bring tech manufacturing back to the US. He got 5 big pieces of legislation passed, each of them more significant than anything Trump did in 4 years.

[FalloutShelter]

43. Exactly right...

But good governance is boring, right? Not entertaining, like puffing up a TRAITOR.
Makes me crazy.

[TheRealNorth]

45. Yup

This will be the new, "but her emails".

But his age......

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

111. Of course the media is leading us to a fascist state

The cable news trash are themselves the 1%, so they're going to support and promote what serves their own traitorous interests.

At this point, I'm amazed if even one of them has a quark's worth of integrity.

[flamingdem]

12. Is he seen as weak?

Not just old but weak?


I see him as strong and capable but I follow his achievements.

If I didn't maybe I'd see him as weak because it's hard to decipher
exactly how much he's accomplished against the headwinds.

And the headwinds in include biased polling.

[MontanaMama]

15. No. Just no.

Polls are crap. The media trots this BS out every single day. Don’t buy into it.

[angrychair]

16. This is apocalyptic

I cannot imagine what will happen if Trump wins this election.

My world is spinning. Im honestly not sure I got it in me to deal with this. Trump being president would likely be the end of life on Earth. That isn't hyperbole. It's just reality.

[AntivaxHunters]

18. Agreed 100%

[angrychair]

31. The thing that breaks my brain

Is that I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would elect a criminal like Trump. I mean Republicans have already said they would vote for him even if he's convicted and in prison.

I don't know how to process that.

I cannot make sense of it at all.

[Tree Lady]

82. I understand but from their point of view

They have been told the dems made it all up and it's political not against the law. When I have asked a few republicans about it, not hard core Trumpie's but ones that vote for him for the "R" that's what they say.

They say we do the same thing and bring out some small thing a democrat has done or Joe's son.

My grandson thought Trump was good for the economy. I said where did you hear that? And he couldn't remember where he read or heard it so I am thinking he heard it from my ex who has been voting republican since he got religious many years ago. We split up 30 yrs ago.

I pointed out all the bankruptcies and how he hardly got any new jobs during his time.

They also blame gas prices, interest going up and how expensive everything is on the dems. It's totally crazy.

[Polybius]

91. Before Covid hit, the economy was crazy good

My stocks were through the roof in profits. Obviously I don't credit Trump for that, but sitting presidents get credit or blame, depending on which way the economy is rolling.

[Tree Lady]

92. That's one thing I don't understand

why the economy seems to be biased mostly on stocks being up. During the same time you talked about hardly any new jobs were being added.

As far as gas goes I always wonder if the oil companies purposely help the republicans.

[Polybius]

93. Yeah, but inflation was excellent too before March, 2020

New jobs numbers really only affect those looking for work, so people who are making money tend to overlook it.

[Tree Lady]

95. Your right covid is what made inflation go nuts

As many quit their jobs and it was hard to get products.

Then that is why republicans thing Trump is good with the economy because they can blame covid on the down part of his years.

Of course they are overlooking how things are getting so much better this past year.

[Polybius]

122. I often wonder how the election results would have looked like if Covid never happened

Probably Trump would have won, because no President has ever lost with a strong, robust economy. Also, a huge amount of people disapproved of his handling of the pandemic in 2020, contributing to the loss.

[Demsrule86]

132. The economy is strong we have the best unemployment number in decades...your stocks may have

gone up but Trump's policies hurt manufacturing in Ohio and elsewhere. Biden has made a huge difference. And it is his vision that led to the legislation that made it possible. This is not a president who sat back and let the economy happen...when he took office everything was bad. And Trump had lied about the amount of vaccine we had. So you are wrong...and just so you know...the stock market is now divorced from our economy.

[Polybius]

136. It may be strong, but it's not preceved to be by the vast majority of the general public

And in the end, that's all that matters.

One thing though, I am not saying that I believe it was better under Trump.

[RandySF]

22. I've been through rollercoaster polling many times before.

Wait until voters are more focused and ook back at our election realists this year.

[angrychair]

44. I appreciate the kind words

But I've been involved in politics since 1988. I know there is some play when it comes to polls but given he is way behind where he was at this same moment in 2020 I have a growing anxiety and to be blunt complete bewilderment

[Think. Again.]

106. Don't believe the hype.

[Cha]

67. Yeah if you believe cnn

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218254030

[former9thward]

121. Did you read what you posted?

The Republican group has been weighted for its size in the population. The poll results were NOT 59.7% Republican. Maybe the tweeter should educate themselves about polling instead of trying to get click baits.

[Freethinker65]

19. Ok. I'll play.

Would you prefer a younger candidate than Biden with the same qualifications and experience to be your party's nominee?
Um, yeah, I guess. Cuz that would mean no more of these tedious ageist segments in the media/social media. And if the hypothetical candidate was as good or better than Biden, sure, why not?

So you really don't want to vote for Biden, gotcha.

[AntivaxHunters]

24. Huh?

"So you don't want to really vote for Biden. Gotcha "

Dude all I'm doing is reporting on a poll. I didn't make it. That's quite a leap & a logical fallacy given I'll be phone banking for Joe. I'm not even sure how you reached that conclusion lol

[herding cats]

26. They're giving you a classic example of a push poll.

It wasn't a personal dig at you.

[Freethinker65]

34. Obviously you would not have answered to the poll that way

However, I can imagine some Democrats thinking sure, if there was a competent experienced candidate like Joe Biden, but perhaps a bit younger so less likely a target of ageism, I could see voting for that candidate instead of Joe Biden.

I am not saying the poll is not concerning, nor is it completely meaningless, but with so many questions set up for negative responses, depending on the order of the questions, it seems a bit push poll to me.

[ms liberty]

37. This. "So many questions set up for negative responses" they were looking to report that story

They wanted to show their viewers (and beyond) all that negative.

[Tree Lady]

83. I do yougov surveys and I am on to them

when the questions are posed like that to the point I am not totally honest. Even if I am upset about something we have done I answer all the polls that I think Joe is doing the best, would vote for him no matter what, agree with the dem leaders etc. I feel there is so many going the other way by being manipulated into it I don't let them do that to me.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. The public is focused on

the end of Covid Emergency stimulus, and inflation, and $4 gas.

The first will fade as an issue, but Republicans will squeal about deficits.

Inflation will moderate, but interest rates will rise. We are close to recession, but it's a working recession.

Gas will remain where it is.

There's your 2024 economic landscape.

[Kingofalldems]

27. Hmmm--I guess we should cancel the Trump trials

and then release all of his MAGAt traitors and then put Hunter Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Dr. Fauci, et al in jail eh?

[vercetti2021]

28. Fuck CNN

It's all right wing bullshit now

[Bayard]

29. Bullshit

Who did the polling? CNN? I don't think they're exactly unbiased anymore.

The list of Biden's accomplishments, and wise decisions from years of experience, has put this country in a much better place than his predecessor left it. I trust him.

[LizBeth]

32. biden did not flat out win the primary in 2020, we put him forward to not hurt our chances.

he implied he would do one term when all this went down. a lot of people were not happy but more important issues. and now here we sit. the closer we get i think it would behoove us to be aware of the reality we sit in. we are seeing it in the polls and it is discouraging. i am not going to dismiss them after the 2016 election. too much at stake.

[katmondoo]

33. I love Biden, and will always respect him. We are lucky to have him at this time.

[Chainfire]

38. Biden is a smart, honest, decent, caring President.

Everything in our media today is dwarfed by Trump, Trumpism and Trump followers. It is not a mistake. Biden is for the people, as opposed to being for big business and big money, it may be a fatal disease.

Biden may well suffer the same fate as Carter, who was also smart, honest decent and caring. We will get the government that we deserve. Lets hope that we deserve four more years of Biden.

[JohnSJ]

40. He never said he would do one term. Also, you mischaracterize the Democratic primary process.

Democrats run their primaries on a proportional basis, will republicans are all or nothing.

Whoever wins the Democratic primary is our nominee, there is no nuance about it. After South Carolina, and Super Tuesday, Biden flat out won the primary, and his closest challenger recognized that, and dropped out.

All CNN did is highlight the negatives of the poll, they didn’t mention that in that CNN poll Biden led significantly among independents and suburban women

[Tribetime]

50. I agree 👍

[Sympthsical]

52. This is the problem in a nutshell

I know it's de rigueur to be head in the sand about things, but a lot of people - particularly younger voters - went into 2020 with the impression that this would be a one term, let's just get rid of Trump and go from there, transitional situation.

People can claim Biden never said that, but it was so heavily implied and insinuated and spread around by surrogates that it was a very prominent thought in a lot of voters' minds. And it was distinctly used as a work around to the age question.

Well, here we are four years later. The age issue is greater than it was, and there's no similar understanding or compromise. People are being asked to go all in on a situation they are not comfortable with and they didn't think they were signing up for.

Look, I'm an easy gig. I'll vote for whichever Democrat is on the ballot. Full stop. No one has to convince me or make me enthusiastic or whatever. Most people here are easy gigs. That's why we're in this space.

But there are a lot of people - a majority of the party, as has been repeatedly reflected in polls - who are sitting there thinking, "Wait, this isn't what our understanding was."

Being at odds with your own electorate is not great. People perceive it as a top-down, "You'll do what we say and like it" directive. Well, they don't like it. And they feel like they're not being heard. I don't know who the Republican nominee will be by this time next year. But I do know having a chunk of your own voters resentful of a decision they were not a part of isn't an ideal position to enter an election with.

They may hate Trump or whomever it ends up being, but they do have to show up. And if experience tells us anything, the unheard tend to check out come election time. That's what bugs me about all this. It feels like echoes of 2016 hubris in the reactions to this. "What are people going to do - not vote?!"

That's exactly what they can do.

[W_HAMILTON]

107. You think young voters would coalesce around another single Democrat?

How cute! Pray tell, who would that be?

While we're on the topic, I don't want to hear from anyone -- much less "young voters" -- about Biden's age as a criticism, because younger voters were the same ones that voted for the oldest candidate running the past two Democratic primaries.

[Sympthsical]

108. I think we should've had a fresh primary

But that ship has sailed. The decision has been made, and that's what we're locked into now.

As to your second point. Age and vigor are not synonymous things. They're often used interchangeably in these debates, but most people know which context of the word is intended. Other will disingenuously pretend they don't.

[W_HAMILTON]

109. We haven't even had a primary yet.

"The decision has been made."

LOL

What decision? And by who? You aren't trying to peddle a conspiracy theory here that the voters have no choice because the higher-ups have forced Biden on them, are you?


And while Sanders may be superior in age to Biden, he isn't superior in vigor, so it seems as though you are just grasping at straws to deflect away rightful criticism.

[Sympthsical]

112. I have no interest in this

Pretending party systems do not work as they do. It's not a serious exchange.

[W_HAMILTON]

116. So it was conspiracy you were peddling.

The real reason no one dares to challenge Biden is because (1) they know they would lose and (2) a large enough swath of Democratic voters would not only not support such a candidacy, it would probably piss enough of them off that whoever was dumb enough to pull such a move would probably see their future career as a Democrat in jeopardy.

And, no, it ain't fucking Jaime Harrison or whoever you prefer to point the finger at for this -- it's voters like me.

Parties are people, my friend!

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

113. BS

Complete and total BS.

From South Carolina on, he was a juggernaut. It wasn't even a contest after Super Tuesday.

If Mike Bloomberg hadn't been in it for a couple of months there, Biden would have creamed sanders in most of the states that sanders "won." The only states that sanders won with a majority were North Dakota and his own. Yeah, those are game changers fer shur.

Those are FACTS, by the way.

Go run the numbers of how people actually voted, shift all of the votes for Bloomberg over to Biden (those people would have ****NEVER**** voted for sanders), and you'll see for yourself that Bloomberg is the only reason Biden didn't win just about everything after South Carolina. Including California.

[MrsCoffee]

135. Are you still posting this bullshit?

Where is the unrec post button. Crazy conspiracy shit like this should hit -50 and fall into the old dungeon.

[ms liberty]

35. Unrec. Polls this far out, with questions like that are garbage

Those questions are the media, trying real hard to create a dramatic story that will attract and hold eyeballs. Most of America Is paying no attention to politics and the election right now, because it's more than a year away. People like us - political junkies, on both sides - are paying attention because that's who we are.

[BlueKota]

36. I will vote for Biden in 2024.

I agree Newsom should run in 2028. I do think, however, we need to get Newsome out on the political talk shows as a spokesperson for the Democratic party. He isn't afraid to call out the Magats as the 💩 they are. It's time to take off the gloves and punch them back harder than they punch us.

[Fiendish Thingy]

39. " Oh boy, we've got major problems."

No WE don’t, YOU do, for buying into CNN’s hair-on-fire hysteria.

This poll, which is millimetres away from being a push poll, has absolutely no predictive value for November 2024.

Look at the approval numbers for Obama in 2011 and Reagan in 1983.

Yes, the campaign needs to continue to emphasize Bidenomics and all his accomplishments.

The stupidity of large portions of the electorate make the 2024 cycle a challenging one.

But there is no credible evidence of doomsday, yet.

[AntivaxHunters]

62. Why are you blaming me?

I get you're upset but there's many polls all saying the same thing. We can stick our heads in the sand or we can fix the problem. Which do you prefer?

I prefer fixing the problem.

We're the party of critical thinking & problem solvers.
The solution?

A massive ad buy immediately. But an ad buy that's strictly targeted at young voters, because they're now the majority. They don't watch TV, they stream things. The right has figured this out & if you look at YouTube a lot of the ads are straight up fascist garbage from entities like Prager U, TPUSA, & others. We need to get on it. I'm all about it. Inundate YouTube, Twitch, & streaming platforms like Discovery, Netflix, etc. Target it to where it's completely dialed in with what Biden is doing to fight against climate change like how just yesterday he cancelled several Trump drilling permits in Alaska but nobody even knows it.

Let's get our surrogates out there all across the country. The election is just barely a year away. That's close. Let's hold big special events with musicians like the Foo Fighters & others as a Biden voter drive.

Lastly, and seriously, President Biden needs to talk about legalizing weed for recreational use immediately. Let's be honest, that costs nothing & it's a widely popular policy among ALL voters. He starts doing that & not only would his numbers skyrocket to the moon but Republicans would lose their minds & be seen as completely out of touch. That alone would have quite a few people voting for him that otherwise wouldn't.

Dog in! We have a fight ahead.
Let's kick some ass!

[Fiendish Thingy]

65. If we're the party of critical thinking, then take a deep breath and read this:

https://apple.news/AeqV0J5K2T5Kg3fkWsA4A1A

(It’s an article from Semafor)

You’ve probably heard pundits tell you to ignore polls this far out from an election. This is not advice people are taking this week as surveys keep showing President Biden and Donald Trump tied after 91 felony charges and a string of positive headlines on jobs and inflation. Voters seem more judgmental than ever about Biden’s age, while polarized along familiar lines on the charges against Trump, and even a little nostalgic for his economic record.
But there are reasons campaign professionals tend to wave off early surveys, which have notoriously overstated threats to incumbents. Here’s why pollsters and strategists we spoke to say they’re not panicking yet.
There is no campaign. Every time you see a poll showing Biden’s approval in the 30s, mentally add an asterisk that says “before Democrats spend $1 billion.”
This isn’t so much about a prohibitive spending advantage (Republicans will have money too), but about what that money goes towards. In this case, it’s a message that so far has worked for Democrats in real-life conditions.
In the midterms, postmortems found that Democrats performed poorly in noncompetitive contests, but they won big in highly contested, swing state races where they could devote millions to ads on issues like abortion, drug prices, and entitlements while painting their opponents as “MAGA extremists.” The same formula has held up well in off-year elections since then, including a blowout judicial race in Wisconsin centered on abortion rights and gerrymandering.

Sincerely, with all due respect, your OP was an extreme overreaction to a single data point, or at best , 2 or 3 recent polls, 14 months away from the general election. That’s why I said YOU, not WE, have a problem. The problem lies in your perception and interpretation of current polls. A “massive ad buy” this far out would be a massive waste of money. (A $25 million ad blitz is planned for this fall- don’t know if you consider that “massive” enough; in the context of the whole campaign, it won’t be) Voters don’t need to be convinced Biden deserves reelection now, they need reminding a year from now.

[MistakenLamb]

129. I swear to god people have memories like goldfish sometimes

Https://secure.actblue.com/donate/web_bfp_launch

that's the Biden campaign donation link, do something instead of bellyaching, the media needs a horse race and the 2024 campaign is going to be a dog fight, 10 times worse than 2020, settle in for worse. Stop listening to these pundits on television! All of them need Trump in good or bad more than you need them. They need Trump to hate Democrats even more.

[samnsara]

42. who here has been polled? NOT ME thats for sure...And since CNN is not Biden friendly

i hardly watch them any more.







and I dont trust the polls at all.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

114. For the millionth time

You don't have to be polled for the numbers to be accurate.

Take a stats class for why that is.

Please. Even a survey course in it would help you understand how there isn't as much variation in people's opinions as you think.

[Karma13612]

123. Bravo!!

Agree 100 %.

I stopped watching CNN after they want on their endless loop attacking Biden on the Afghanistan drawdown.

[Hortensis]

47. Don't believe that for a minute or that they won't vote Democrat. That's all. nt

[JohnSJ]

49. Thank-you.

[bullimiami]

51. OH FFS WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT. Turn off CNN. Don't repost their foolishness.

[RainCaster]

53. Who is the pollster here?

Can we trust this pollster and their methods? Who paid for this poll?

[thucythucy]

54. Reminds me of a press event during the Clinton administration.

A reporter asked the administration spokesperson why it is most Americans think the deficit had gone up under Clinton when it actually had gone down--and BTW, it would eventually result in the first federal budget surplus in decades. The reporter asks, "Shouldn't you be doing a better job communicating?"

To which the spokesperson replied: We've been shouting this from the rooftops day after day after day, but YOU'VE refused to report on this. If anyone needs to do a better job communicating the actual facts, it's YOU. I mean, isn't that your fucking job?!

That's a paraphrase, but it reflects the gist of the encounter as I remember it.

The mainstream media insists on focusing on anything and everything but what's actually important to actual Americans, and then blames their malfeasance on the victims.

I so wish there were a way to deal with this, as it's ruining any chance we have at a truly just society.

[betsuni]

66. +1

[Kaleva]

55. In other news, nearly 100% of Dems will vote for him

Knowing that Biden is way better then any candidate currently running for the Republican nomination.

[Torchlight]

57. Sounds serious.

Good luck.

[Lettuce Be]

58. Who watches CNN let alone believes their polls?

Just a thought.

[DemocraticPatriot]

59. Could you print off a copy of these "poll results" for me ?

I'm running out of toilet paper...





That's all it's worth, 14 months before the general election

[AntivaxHunters]

63. Who prints things in the year 2023?

LoL

[Happy Hoosier]

60. This is basically meaningless, IMO

While I might abstractly prefer we had someone else at the head of the party, I think Biden is doing a great job, and I will absolutely vote for him.

I think almost every other Democrat that might prefer someone else feels the same.

[sl8]

61. Survey questions:

Online:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23940784-cnn-poll

PDF:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23940784/cnn-poll.pdf

[budkin]

64. THIS DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP

When the time comes, the majority will vote for Biden.

[Cha]

69. "Over Sample of Rs.."

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218254030

[Spazito]

70. This CNN poll is complete garbage...

Everyone should read this thread before believing the garbage CNN is trying to push:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218253358

Edited to add: Another thread worth reading to see what CNN REALLY did:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218254030

[MarineCombatEngineer]

71. Oh , it's you again with all these negative waves.

Thanks for your concern.

[andym]

73. Look at the graphic: Reagan 43% in 1983-- even in this recent poll Joe is close to that

remember what happened in 1984--Reagan won by one of the larger landslides. Why? The same real reason Joe is not doing well right now-- inflation and interest rates. If they get better by next year, Joe Biden will win big, as Reagan did.

[LiberalFighter]

74. I have a few things to say about CNN

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

118. And I probably have the same thing to say about

The 1%er MSM in general.

[RobinA]

75. An Interesting Thread

to me, a person (who was not alone) who got ripped three days before the 2016 election for being a concern troll by a loudmouth who is gone from here thank god. Same stuff now again. Here we go!!!!

[Xoan]

78. Bullshit CNN.

[WarGamer]

84. This poll doesn't confirm my personal biases, thus it is fake, bullshit, RW agitprop, stupid+icky

In all seriousness though...

Caution makes us more vigilant. We will win if we know the actual situation.

[Joinfortmill]

86. ROFL. What horse shit

[mountain grammy]

87. They must have missed me

because I approve of nearly everything Biden is doing.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

115. They don't have to poll you

To get accurate results.

They only have to get a good representative sample, and this poll has some serious flaws with that in its methodology--regardless of whether or not they talked to you.

[honest.abe]

88. Even if these numbers are accurate it means absolutely nothing this far out from the election.

The situation in Sept to Oct 2024 will be the deciding factor.

[uponit7771]

89. Another worthless poll, high moe... Low sample, ... Other than lv in battleground state

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

117. The sample size isn't all that bad

It's the breakdown of the sample that is.

[Kingofalldems]

94. Here's more info on this poll yet not so glossy:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218254030


So as far as I am concerned the OP consists of right wing talking points.

[WarGamer]

101. I'm trying to figure out how polling large numbers of GOP'ers....

affects the OP headline which refers to DEMOCRATIC VOTERS and their preferences.

How does the R vs D polling profile affect a poll question where they only look at the answers of D voters?

Can you explain?

[andym]

97. Buckle up! The key factors are interest rates and inflation. If they're good in 2024 Biden wins

if they're not good, it will be difficult for a Democrat to win, as Democrats hold the White House and get the credit/blame.

There is a pretty good correlation of high inflation rates/gas prices correlating with election losses. Even Reagan was down to 43% in 1983, but won in a landslide in 1984 as inflation dropped, interest rates started coming down and the economy picked up.

The age issue is likely less important-- Ronnie faced these 40 years ago and back then his age was thought to be too old, but obviously it was downplayed when things are going well.

[TheRealNorth]

98. You have a point..

But don't underestimate the ability of the Republicans to define the narrative. Especially if they are getting help from CNN as well as Faux.

[roamer65]

99. Bullshit.

There is NO way Dump will take that oath.

I would even support a military coup d’etat to stop it.

[Lancero]

100. ...Funny, Trumpists were going on and on about how the military would put him back into power...

Any day now, or so said their Prophet Q.

Maybe, just maybe, find something other than Qanon bullshit to echo?

[WarGamer]

119. Seriously? Like the January 6 troglodytes?

If Trump wins, it's because he got more electoral votes than Biden.

If you don't want Trump to win...

GOTV.

[roamer65]

120. 2016 was stolen by Dump.

Via RuZZian interference.

It had better not happen again.

[DemocratInPa]

102. Biden 4 ever, but..

This is why I don't want Trump indicted.. He runs, Biden will win, but if it's another republican, they could beat Biden.

I am still not sure anti-Trump repubs will not for Biden against a non-Trump republican or he will get the independent votes he did in 2020.

[Xavier Breath]

103. I have zero issue with you posting this poll

as you're just reporting what happened. We can't bury our heads in the sand or dismiss anything that isn't a rosy prognostication. Personally, I find polls interesting, and frustrating, especially in the manner in which they sometimes phrase the questions. But, I want to know what they're saying regardless, so I appreciate you posting it.

Having said that, your comment of "Oh boy, we've got major problems," was a bit drastic, given that we're 14 months out. Maybe skip the drama next time and just report.

[W_HAMILTON]

105. Guess what?

33% is by far more than any other single Democratic candidate would get if you asked them who they would prefer run instead.

So, it doesn't matter, and, no, we don't have problems.

We saw this play out in 2022, when Democrats had their pick and choose of dozens -- literally, dozens -- of candidates and yet Biden came out on top.

[DFW]

127. I think you meant 2020, and not 2022, right?

In December 2019, when Joe Biden was at around 3% in the polls for the Democratic nomination, a Republican strategist asked me for my opinion as to who would be the nominee in 2020. I made sure that what was being asked was my opinion, and not my preference. My opinion, definitely. I said, in that case, it would be Joe Biden. This was definitely not the expected answer, so I was asked how come? I said everyone else was either too weak in support or too offensive in presentation. Joe Biden would be the last man standing, and he would win the general election, too.

Well, whaddya know. The only thing that surprised me was that it was a surprise. Who did the Republicans think we would nominate? Mayor Pete? He would have been an obvious choice except for what the God Squad would organize against a gay Democratic nominee. Amy Klobuchar? Sure, she would been able to the job just fine, except that the Republicans would have had a field day with a woman candidate that had about 2% of Hillary's national recognition. Joe Biden? He had the experience and the contacts. He knew the lay of the land better than anyone else. Old? Yeah, and Trump wasn't?

Do we have some capable people now? Of course. Eric Swalwell, Adam Schiff, Gavin Newsom, and that's just the obvious ones I thought of here in Utrecht (for the day) in ten seconds. But we also have an incumbent president who has turned things around from total disaster to a 180° road to recovery, even if we're maybe only 20% of the way there. But Biden was left with a lot of damage control to confront, and he didn't whine. He just got to it. He took a sensible "what other choice have we got?" approach, and got to work. It's not spectacular enough to put him at 55% approval, but if there's anyone at CNN who has a better plan, they are keeping very quiet about it.

[Thrill]

124. Better stop being dismissive of these polls

I said it earlier today and people up here got pissed off. I know too many loyal progressives, that don’t want him to run.

But whatever, being dismissive is what got us Trump in the first place

[vercetti2021]

126. So ask your progressive friends

Do they want fascism as an alternative, because that shit right there is what got us Trump in the first place. Too many idiots voting for Stein, not voting at all.

[J_William_Ryan]

125. Democrats may not 'want' President Biden.

But they’ll vote for him in 2024, particularly if Trump is the nominee.

And that’s all that matters.

[NowsTheTime]

128. Sorry, I have a hard time tusting CNN. I'm puttijng them on Ignore!

I'm allowed to do that. Right?

[snowybirdie]

130. Do we really need

to see all these screen shots? This biased poll has already been debunked yesterday and shown not to really be valid. Looks like you really, really, really want readers to pay attention. But as we all know, its way too early and most polled in this hot mess were Republicans.

[Demsrule86]

131. This poll is a bunch of BS...they over sampled Republicans almost 3 to 1 and then claimed they 'adjusted for it'

and did it so they could see how Biden fared compared to all candidates. That is total bullshit. Biden will win. And we should not post shit polls that demoralize and discourage our voters. Biden is the nominee...there will be no primary. It is way too late. And Biden is the only one who can win the states we need, You do realize this has been posted about six times.

[Demsrule86]

134. I would add 400 Democrats were sampled in the entire nation while double that amount of GOP

types were in this poll...but CNN is sure sure I tell ya that the pollsters manipulated the DATA to make it er fair...right? And I have a bridge to sell you real cheap.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

138. If TFG is the GOP nominee, President Biden's age will not be a big issue

The Biden campaign will be glad to compare the physical condition of President Biden to TFG

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