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Ocelot II

(130,532 posts)
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 12:51 PM Sep 2023

Fani Willis' letter to Gym Jordan is the best Fuck You letter I've ever read!

Basically, she tears off his arms and beats him with the bloody stumps. This is so brilliant I want to make wallpaper with it so I can read it and revel in it every day.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23941366/jim-jordan-letter.pdf

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Fani Willis' letter to Gym Jordan is the best Fuck You letter I've ever read! (Original Post) Ocelot II Sep 2023 OP
Great response! apcalc Sep 2023 #1
Isn't it delicious? Ocelot II Sep 2023 #2
Would love to read it but the link doesn't work here. I tried copying the link into a new window... usaf-vet Sep 2023 #65
Link works fine for me, maybe try again? emulatorloo Sep 2023 #74
Apologies all the way around. I did an OS update and now I have to figure out why a pdf doesn't..... usaf-vet Sep 2023 #106
Definitely better with computers ha ha. Jury's still out on AI 🤣 emulatorloo Sep 2023 #126
Not sure why - seems to work for others. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #94
Yes and it was set as the default pdf reader. Progress, don't you just love it. I love being a ..... usaf-vet Sep 2023 #112
Chrome or Microsoft Edge can both do PDF themselves IbogaProject Sep 2023 #168
Delicious is the word I used when I sent it on to friends, too. JudyM Sep 2023 #107
OMG you ain't kidding! LOL! 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2023 #3
A thing of beauty, for sure.... Sogo Sep 2023 #4
That'll leave a mark. cloudbase Sep 2023 #5
He is not the brightest guy, but even he should realize he just got a big FU. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #54
Should being the key word here. yonder Sep 2023 #66
I think this is why she wrote NINE withering pages to not so bright Gym. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #79
One of my favorite parts (below) Redleg Sep 2023 #6
I like the part where she double dares him to stop federal funding for GA crime victims and children. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #56
I got a big chuckle out of the line below. Marvelous letter. Lonestarblue Sep 2023 #96
Translation: "Gym you are a gd dumb ass and moron which is why you couldn't pass the bar exam." Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #117
Citation on the very first page gratuitous Sep 2023 #7
Fani didn't just burn Gym, she roasted him alive. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #57
He's gonna need Oxycontin mixed with Fentanyl ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #128
He should just go right to fentanyl. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #139
We need Fani Willis in higher office someday. raging moderate Sep 2023 #8
The problem is she doesn't suffer fools gladly. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #59
COMPLETELY AGREE. ALBliberal Sep 2023 #77
"Those who wish to avoid felony charges in Fulton County, Georgia -- including violations struggle4progress Sep 2023 #9
Basically this; A HERETIC I AM Sep 2023 #130
Magnificent! As a PS I would add: thucythucy Sep 2023 #10
Very good KS Toronado Sep 2023 #11
Love it malaise Sep 2023 #34
Perfect Call.......NC DENVERPOPS Sep 2023 #159
Wow. Aristus Sep 2023 #12
At the very least he will think twice before he runs his mouth at Fani. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #60
lol. "As a non-member of the bar, you can purchase a copy for two hundred forty-nine dollars" ecstatic Sep 2023 #137
Not sure if he can read, but hopefully someone will read this to him. milestogo Sep 2023 #13
Even if the letter is read to him, he will neither understand nor care. TomSlick Sep 2023 #25
Yes but it would still be as fun as hell to read him the letter. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #61
"Below are Suggestions for Productive Activity by the U.S. House Judiciary Committee." Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #14
Yeah, like go back under your rock, scumbag." grumpyduck Sep 2023 #17
"Get off your lazy mean ass and do some actual damn work." Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #62
Exactly!!! Scrivener7 Sep 2023 #68
Kickin' With Gusto! Faux pas Sep 2023 #15
Nine pages of facts and citations. grumpyduck Sep 2023 #16
Fani could have sent him a FU letter with two or three sentences. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #69
That is 9 pages of awesomeness! Maeve Sep 2023 #18
I'm sure that people who have read the whole letter.... dchill Sep 2023 #19
Right he will have to take breaks for nap time and milk and cookie snacks. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #70
That letter is a gem. appleannie1 Sep 2023 #20
Wow, Ocelot. Thank you! I would have hated to miss this. Hortensis Sep 2023 #21
K&R stage left Sep 2023 #22
It is a work of art. Specifically, this one: Ocelot II Sep 2023 #23
Most excellent! WestMichRad Sep 2023 #43
And others might not know that was painted by a woman. Wednesdays Sep 2023 #141
A rape victim, too, with a whole lot of anger in that painting. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #142
gym jim, your are way out of your league messing with this lady. republianmushroom Sep 2023 #24
That was beautiful! boston bean Sep 2023 #26
"As a non-member of the bar..." ok_cpu Sep 2023 #27
This letter is packed full of priceless gems. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author ok_cpu Sep 2023 #28
The banned books Traildogbob Sep 2023 #29
This letter should be required reading in the law school class that teaches you Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #84
I would love Traildogbob Sep 2023 #91
I was actually thinking about putting it on my "text to speech" function on my laptop. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #93
Damn that is a scathing condemnation of Gym Jordan malaise Sep 2023 #30
Can't wait for his acknowledgment to this one Deuxcents Sep 2023 #31
He is getting out his crayons as we speak. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #85
After reading that response he probably had to throw his shirt onto the pile with his jacket. Xavier Breath Sep 2023 #32
He'll probably BonnieJW Sep 2023 #46
All I can say is WOW! infullview Sep 2023 #33
The letter is a masterpiece. usonian Sep 2023 #35
Fantastic response to be sure! Atreus Sep 2023 #36
Yup. Just visuals for the magats. grumpyduck Sep 2023 #78
Doesn't matter if he reads it or not. The internet will be abuzz. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #89
I actually laughed out loud ITAL Sep 2023 #37
Touches like the ($249) are what made this letter pure genius. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #92
Little Gymboy taken to the woodshed. moondust Sep 2023 #38
Poor Gym. MontanaMama Sep 2023 #39
That long-ago photo makes my suspicions rise up. calimary Sep 2023 #138
I feel exactly the same way, calimary. eom. MontanaMama Sep 2023 #177
She is magnificent. Autumn Sep 2023 #40
Wooo ismnotwasm Sep 2023 #41
If she was nuclear physicist FrankChurchDem Sep 2023 #42
It's Fani's fault we have climate change. She just raised the earth's temp by 10 degrees. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #95
I would bet Gym was pissed when they read it to him. twodogsbarking Sep 2023 #44
Gym obviously didn't moniss Sep 2023 #45
This letter is sublime... Spazito Sep 2023 #47
"Allow me the opportunity to kick your rosy red ass to hell and back." Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #98
Yep, in a nutshell... Spazito Sep 2023 #101
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2023 #48
With the possible exception of Trump's indictments, this is best legal document I've read in years hlthe2b Sep 2023 #49
You don't need a law degree and license to know Fani burned Gym's backside. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #100
The law school he attended is little more than a diploma mill ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #129
"Your letter makes clear that you lack a basic understanding of the law, its practice ... muriel_volestrangler Sep 2023 #50
Truly a work of art dflprincess Sep 2023 #51
Your title delivered! Usually such thread titles over-promise and under-deliver. Not yours! . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2023 #52
This letter was no ordinary FU letter from an attorney. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #105
This was a FU letter instructing Jordan to get fucked in every possible way, Ocelot II Sep 2023 #115
Hard to get excited about attorney letters but this was pure sublime law porn. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #118
Fani smacked the crap out of Gymboy. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #53
Fani is something else Jarqui Sep 2023 #55
BOOM! Jilly_in_VA Sep 2023 #58
K&R spanone Sep 2023 #63
Boom! Elessar Zappa Sep 2023 #64
Fani Willis is Queen! mcar Sep 2023 #67
"Deal with reality or reality will deal with you. It is time that you deal with some basic realities." Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #75
That was my favorite part. Goodheart Sep 2023 #87
BRAVA!!! evolves Sep 2023 #71
Oh, man... I want a cigarette and a shower now. And I don't even smoke. LOL... n/t TygrBright Sep 2023 #72
There's only one way she could have topped that... jmowreader Sep 2023 #73
Gym earned himself a hard, bare-assed spanking. lamp_shade Sep 2023 #76
Love it! enigmania Sep 2023 #80
The racist threats her office received are documented in Exhibits F-O. She told Jordan to find out. Efilroft Sul Sep 2023 #81
"Instead of your stupid ass pranks, why don't you find out who is trying to kill me and my staff." Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #108
Yup! If I smoked, I would light up after reading that letter. Efilroft Sul Sep 2023 #133
I know, the letter is better than sex. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #140
THREE-POINT BASKET AND THE FOUL!!!! PCIntern Sep 2023 #82
OK, she is nothing short of FREAKING AWESOME. Goodheart Sep 2023 #86
I know, she needs to be moved to DOJ. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #110
She needs to stay right where she is and try this case as far as it can go. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #113
Of course, I mean after all is said and done in Fulton County. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #119
Question: Does Willis indicate anywhere in that letter an implication of obstruction by Jordan? msfiddlestix Sep 2023 #88
Obstruction only in the sense that he's trying to interfere with her prosecution. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #97
So, if she wanted to, she could bring obstruction charges against Jordan or request DOJ to bring Obstruction charges? msfiddlestix Sep 2023 #104
The letter isn't a charging document or even an official pleading Ocelot II Sep 2023 #111
I think she is doing way more than telling Gym to pound sand. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #114
Thank you for your succinct clarification! msfiddlestix Sep 2023 #127
Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2023 #164
Wow, just wow. I ❤️ DA Willis/her team!!. n/t iluvtennis Sep 2023 #90
Henceforth, address all future mail to Jordan as: Attilatheblond Sep 2023 #99
WOW! MuseRider Sep 2023 #102
Since you are not Old Crank Sep 2023 #103
This was certainly a jab at Gym. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #122
He's going to need skin grafts for that one. n/t D23MIURG23 Sep 2023 #156
Won't change him Old Crank Sep 2023 #157
Nicole Reading the Letter on Her Show 4 p.m. EST NJCher Sep 2023 #109
I hope this video gets posted here. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #123
If Trump and his lawyers and co-defendants read this letter, they should be shaking in their shoes. Lonestarblue Sep 2023 #116
This☝️Fani is a brilliant legal mind. We are so lucky she's in a position onetexan Sep 2023 #162
Wow! BigOleDummy Sep 2023 #120
Gym is probably furious that someone actually called him on his crap. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #124
Holy shit. MLAA Sep 2023 #121
gg, Fani... mic drop. WarGamer Sep 2023 #125
That line refusing to obey his subpoena ExWhoDoesntCare Sep 2023 #131
The little excerpt I heard on Nicolle Wallace's show gave me chills ecstatic Sep 2023 #132
The criminal defendant about which you express concern was fully aware ecstatic Sep 2023 #134
Very impressive, especially if she Disaffected Sep 2023 #135
She didn't even... appmanga Sep 2023 #136
Wonder if Fox will cover it or ignore it...and if they cover, how will they spin it? THis would be Amaryllis Sep 2023 #143
Kick canetoad Sep 2023 #144
Someone should read it into the Congressional Record. orthoclad Sep 2023 #145
it's about damn time his bullshit is called out........... Takket Sep 2023 #146
Mic drop. area51 Sep 2023 #147
I was just taking a skim-peak at this doc, and it sucked me in ! Pluvious Sep 2023 #148
Lawrence O'Donnell MSNBC is reading from the letter Marthe48 Sep 2023 #149
Mary McCord feels the tone of the letter was too condescending ecstatic Sep 2023 #150
not at all Takket Sep 2023 #153
I'm afraid I don't understand why Mary McCord spooky3 Sep 2023 #160
I thought mccord was out of her league Marthe48 Sep 2023 #165
Gym Jordan deserves to be condescended to. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #174
She brought receipts!! Mad_Machine76 Sep 2023 #151
Holy crap. KentuckyWoman Sep 2023 #152
she is my kind of gal Skittles Sep 2023 #154
Gym don't think too good.... Blue Owl Sep 2023 #155
I thought you were exaggerating but I read the letter anyway Rachel M at 6 pm Sep 2023 #158
Gym says . . . oh come on, let's be friends here! Aussie105 Sep 2023 #161
I want to see bronze and marble statues of her holding that letter and a sledge hammer. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2023 #163
She also slapped him for being a lackey Historic NY Sep 2023 #166
Does someone have a link to the attachments? Habitation Sep 2023 #167
Damn. She hammered him solidly! Rabrrrrrr Sep 2023 #169
love the part where she said he could buy a state by state RICO guide.. samnsara Sep 2023 #170
Oh, that is excellent! NH Ethylene Sep 2023 #171
Its a great reply (not that this will stop Jackass Jim) but I have some concerns. Anyone a lawyer? Playingmantis Sep 2023 #172
I dunno. Seems pretty vague and ambiguous. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2023 #173
Holy shit! I HAVE NEVER READ such a pitch perfect take down in every way, response! Ninga Sep 2023 #175
I especially like how she suggests... malthaussen Sep 2023 #176

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
65. Would love to read it but the link doesn't work here. I tried copying the link into a new window...
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:17 PM
Sep 2023

....no go.

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
106. Apologies all the way around. I did an OS update and now I have to figure out why a pdf doesn't.....
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:04 PM
Sep 2023

....just opened it in my default PDF app.

I hate updates. Because you just don't know what's going to happen.

A recent "security" upload cut off access to my online banking. Thank goodness the phone app still worked. And I was able to do my banking while traveling.

No prewarning about upgrades, so it's possible you could find yourself without access to your bank or medical records and no one available to help.

Some day the truth will out to the question: Is the world better off with or without computers, and that is before AI enters the game?

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
126. Definitely better with computers ha ha. Jury's still out on AI 🤣
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:58 PM
Sep 2023

Glad you got it sorted out!

Ocelot II

(130,532 posts)
94. Not sure why - seems to work for others.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:54 PM
Sep 2023

It's a .pdf file; do you have Acrobat installed on your computer?

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
112. Yes and it was set as the default pdf reader. Progress, don't you just love it. I love being a .....
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:08 PM
Sep 2023

...... an unpaid BETA tester.

IbogaProject

(5,912 posts)
168. Chrome or Microsoft Edge can both do PDF themselves
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 08:14 AM
Sep 2023

For reading throwaways like that just configure the file to open with one of those. On windows you right click the file for properties and set the open with to whatever. If that's windows causing you grief there are ways to limit those upgrades.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
107. Delicious is the word I used when I sent it on to friends, too.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:05 PM
Sep 2023

A superb, well-deserved SMACKdown.

yonder

(10,293 posts)
66. Should being the key word here.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:17 PM
Sep 2023

Somehow I'm thinking he's still sporting that trademarked smug, smarmy grin while thinking how clever he is for "taking it to the libs" and still winning.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
79. I think this is why she wrote NINE withering pages to not so bright Gym.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:33 PM
Sep 2023

She wanted to make sure something sunk into his dim brain.

Redleg

(6,922 posts)
6. One of my favorite parts (below)
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:07 PM
Sep 2023

"While settled constitutional law clearly permits me to ignore your unjustified and illegal intrusion into an
open state criminal prosecution, I will take a moment to voluntarily respond to parts of your letter."

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
56. I like the part where she double dares him to stop federal funding for GA crime victims and children.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:58 PM
Sep 2023

But yes I love the part you highlighted.

Translation: "The law says I can you ignore you, you D---head, but I am going to
give you a lesson you soon won't forget."

Lonestarblue

(13,479 posts)
96. I got a big chuckle out of the line below. Marvelous letter.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:56 PM
Sep 2023

“Your letter makes clear that you lack a basic understanding of the law, its practice, and the ethical obligations of attorneys generally and prosecutors specifically.”

She’s far more professional, but I would have been tempted to “Obviously, you didn’t pass the bar while I did.”

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
117. Translation: "Gym you are a gd dumb ass and moron which is why you couldn't pass the bar exam."
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:16 PM
Sep 2023

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. Citation on the very first page
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:08 PM
Sep 2023
Furthermore, your note calls to mind another letter recently submitted to a House select committee: "This unprecedented action serves no legitimate legislative purpose and would set a dangerous precedent for future Congresses . . . the American people deserve better." See Letter from Rep. Jim Jordan to Chairman Bennie Thompson dated January 9, 2022.


Jim should stock up on aloe vera.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
57. Fani didn't just burn Gym, she roasted him alive.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:00 PM
Sep 2023

He is going to need high dose Vicodin to stop the pain after reading this letter.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
59. The problem is she doesn't suffer fools gladly.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:02 PM
Sep 2023

So she may not want to fight with nonsense and idiots like you have to do when you
are a high level politician.

She needs to be FBI or DOJ?

struggle4progress

(126,147 posts)
9. "Those who wish to avoid felony charges in Fulton County, Georgia -- including violations
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:18 PM
Sep 2023

of Georgia RICO law — should not commit felonies"

thucythucy

(9,103 posts)
10. Magnificent! As a PS I would add:
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:19 PM
Sep 2023

Concerning your interest in state investigations, you might take time to review the investigation into allegations of sexual abuse by coaches of college athletes, for instance in your own state of Ohio. Though you have no jurisdiction over such cases, as an active participant in the events described you might review the findings to determine whether all the possible responsible persons were held accountable, and whether possible witnesses may have been less than truthful in their statements about this case. This should be of particular relevance to you since at least one of them is a current member of your Congressional caucus, and is in fact a member of your own state's delegation.

I'm sure there are many people, including the survivors of the abuse, who would be more than happy to help you identify precisely who I mean.

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
12. Wow.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:23 PM
Sep 2023

Gym Jordan should really think about killing himself. There's just no coming back from that.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
60. At the very least he will think twice before he runs his mouth at Fani.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:06 PM
Sep 2023

After he recovers that is from the wounds she inflicted.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
137. lol. "As a non-member of the bar, you can purchase a copy for two hundred forty-nine dollars"
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 06:29 PM
Sep 2023

Yikes! Apparently gym obtained a law degree but never took or passed the bar? lol. Who does that?

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
62. "Get off your lazy mean ass and do some actual damn work."
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:14 PM
Sep 2023

"The work the US taxpayer is paying you to do instead of stupid shit pranks."

grumpyduck

(6,672 posts)
16. Nine pages of facts and citations.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:28 PM
Sep 2023

I know... I know,,, but I like to think that my response would have been two words: "FUCK YOU!"

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
69. Fani could have sent him a FU letter with two or three sentences.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:20 PM
Sep 2023

But for some reason she decided to nail Gym's ass to the wall.
One painful nail at a time.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
19. I'm sure that people who have read the whole letter....
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:36 PM
Sep 2023

...are filling Gym in on the bullet points. He lacks the depth to get through it.

appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
20. That letter is a gem.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:38 PM
Sep 2023

If that twit had the capability to feel anything, he would feel lower than a gnat's ass after that polite way of telling him he is a dumb arse and should mind his own business.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Wow, Ocelot. Thank you! I would have hated to miss this.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:39 PM
Sep 2023

Not that, as it turns out, I could have. From the front page of the AJC "Extra" reporting this breaking story:

BREAKING

Willis blasts congressman’s ‘interference’ in Fulton Trump probe

Short, explanatory piece on developing story, but including Willis quotes. Ending with

“Your letter makes clear that you lack a basic understanding of the law, its practice and the ethical obligations of attorneys generally and prosecutors specifically,” she wrote.

A spokesperson for Jordan’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


stage left

(3,306 posts)
22. K&R
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:41 PM
Sep 2023

Thanks for posting this document. Highly reccommend it. A thing of beauty is a joy forever.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
83. This letter is packed full of priceless gems.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:41 PM
Sep 2023

Hard to choose the best one. Yes I love this line.

"You fool, you're not an attorney and don't play one on TV, go buy cliff notes
so you can at least pretend to know what the F you are talking about."

Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
29. The banned books
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:48 PM
Sep 2023

In red state schools should be replaced with this letter as required reading literature. ThNk ti all for sharing and highlighting some of the really good stuff.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
84. This letter should be required reading in the law school class that teaches you
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:43 PM
Sep 2023

how to cuss out people in legalese.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
93. I was actually thinking about putting it on my "text to speech" function on my laptop.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:51 PM
Sep 2023

So I could listen to it a couple of times.

malaise

(296,098 posts)
30. Damn that is a scathing condemnation of Gym Jordan
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:49 PM
Sep 2023

A most excellent response - fuck you Gym!😀😀

BonnieJW

(3,124 posts)
46. He'll probably
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:30 PM
Sep 2023

start talking loud and fast and then he sounds like Porky Pig when he's mad at Bugs Bunny

infullview

(1,129 posts)
33. All I can say is WOW!
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:50 PM
Sep 2023

She is a force of nature. Not only did she tell him to F off, she provided statutes to back up her arguments and exhibits to show various consequences. I’m just so impressed.

usonian

(25,313 posts)
35. The letter is a masterpiece.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:52 PM
Sep 2023
Chairman Jordan, I tell people often “deal with reality or reality will deal with you.” It is time that you deal with some basic realities.

Vampire Gym asked for a steak and got a stake.

Atreus

(78 posts)
36. Fantastic response to be sure!
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:57 PM
Sep 2023

Unfortunately, like all things shot from the hip by unscrupulous pieces of shit, Jordan's letter to Willis is performative art for the Stupids. It was signed, sealed, delivered and forgotten. It's doubtful he'll read the full response to even get to the good parts. LOL

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
89. Doesn't matter if he reads it or not. The internet will be abuzz.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:47 PM
Sep 2023

He will be humiliated by internet people, comedians, and colleagues.

ITAL

(1,323 posts)
37. I actually laughed out loud
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 01:58 PM
Sep 2023

Especially the part where she put the price of the book ($249) in parenthesis.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
92. Touches like the ($249) are what made this letter pure genius.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:49 PM
Sep 2023

And takes it from excellent to sublime.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
138. That long-ago photo makes my suspicions rise up.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 07:40 PM
Sep 2023

Last edited Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:13 PM - Edit history (1)

He’s a short guy, as far as I’ve seen in photos and group shots he’s in.

And if he was shorter than average in high school, I can see exactly why he went out for wrestling. To look tougher than he felt he looked. To feed a built-in inferiority complex because he couldn’t tower over the other guys. Hell, because he wasn’t even eye-to-eye with most of them.

I’m just guessing here. I’m no PhD. Just an observer of human foibles. But this behavior of his really stands out to me, and makes certain statements about larger motivations.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
40. She is magnificent.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:08 PM
Sep 2023

There should be shrines built to worship her. I hope Jungle Gym took a shower to get all the blood off.

FrankChurchDem

(12,692 posts)
42. If she was nuclear physicist
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:21 PM
Sep 2023

We'd already have fusion power. That's how much heat is coming off this letter.

moniss

(9,056 posts)
45. Gym obviously didn't
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:28 PM
Sep 2023

think he needed to wear a cup when he picked this fight. He better get one quick. Not the plastic one. The steel one.

Spazito

(55,494 posts)
47. This letter is sublime...
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:31 PM
Sep 2023

There were many parts that brightened my day but I think this is my overall favorite:

"Your questioning of the inclusion of overt and predicate acts by the defendants in the indictment’s
racketeering count shows a total ignorance of Georgia’s racketeering statute and the basics of criminal
conspiracy law. Allow me the Opportunity to provide a brief tutorial on criminal conspiracy law,
Chairman Jordan."


and then adding the piece de resistance, imo:

"...I encourage you to read “RICO State-by-State.” As a non-member of the bar, you can
purchase a copy for two hundred forty-nine dollars [$249]."

hlthe2b

(113,957 posts)
49. With the possible exception of Trump's indictments, this is best legal document I've read in years
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:35 PM
Sep 2023

and while assertive beyond my wildest dreams, it does not cross the line in terms of professionalism--yet if anyone thinks it is not exposing Jordan for the ill-informed cretinous bastard that he is, they need to go back and read more thoroughly. I particularly loved toward the end where she directs Jordan to a GSO publication on RICO laws by state and points out the price to NON-BAR members (Jordan went to a law school that might be fine, but whose name I've never heard, but never passed and possibly never even attempted the Bar exam).

Excellent DA Willis. Simply excellent.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
100. You don't need a law degree and license to know Fani burned Gym's backside.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:00 PM
Sep 2023

She wrote in very clear language.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,207 posts)
50. "Your letter makes clear that you lack a basic understanding of the law, its practice ...
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:35 PM
Sep 2023

... and the ethical obligations of attorneys generally and prosecutors specifically."

But no problem, he's just the chair of the House Committee on the Judiciary, he don't need no fancy book-larnin' about that stuff.

Might a Democrat read that out loud in the committee at some stage? I hope, I hope ...

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
52. Your title delivered! Usually such thread titles over-promise and under-deliver. Not yours! . . nt
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:51 PM
Sep 2023

Ocelot II

(130,532 posts)
115. This was a FU letter instructing Jordan to get fucked in every possible way,
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:12 PM
Sep 2023

position and orifice that he could ever be fucked with. It was the most viscerally exciting bit of legal writing I've ever seen.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
118. Hard to get excited about attorney letters but this was pure sublime law porn.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:22 PM
Sep 2023

The attorney FU letters I have seen have never screwed someone over so completely.
And perfectly.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
53. Fani smacked the crap out of Gymboy.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:53 PM
Sep 2023

Then ground his face in the dust with her high heel.

A true thing of beauty.

(Remind me never to piss off Fani Willis.)

Jarqui

(10,908 posts)
55. Fani is something else
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 02:57 PM
Sep 2023

I would not want her after me.

Every step of the way, she has been very impressive.

It is people like Fani Willis, not Donald Trump, that make the country great.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,371 posts)
58. BOOM!
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:00 PM
Sep 2023

I hope someone had a fire extinguisher handy when he read that. Of course he might not have understood some of the big words.

mcar

(46,056 posts)
67. Fani Willis is Queen!
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:19 PM
Sep 2023

I particularly appreciate these snips:

Chairman Jordan, I tell people often “deal with reality or reality will deal with you.” It is time that you deal with some basic realities. A Special Purpose Grand Jury made up of everyday citizens investigated for 10 months and made recommendations to me. A further reality is that a grand jury of completely different Fulton County citizens found probable cause against the defendants named in the indictment for RICO violations and various other felonies. Face this reality, Chairman Jordan: the select group of defendants who you fret over in my jurisdiction are like every other defendant, entitled 10 no worse or better treatment than any other American citizen.

a. Your notion that different standards of justice should apply to a select group of people is offensive. Here is another reality you must ‘face: Those who wish to avoid (felony charges in Fulton County, Georgia — including violations of Georgia RICO law — should not commit ‘felonies in Fulton County, Georgia. In this jurisdiction, every person is subject to the same laws and the same process, because every person is entitled to the same dignity and is held to the same standard of responsibility. Persons’ socioeconomic status, race, gender, sexual orientation, or political prominence does not entitle them to an exemption from that basic standard.

b. Defendant Trump’s status as a political candidate cannot make him legally immune from criminal prosecution. The basic premise of your letter is wrong. The criminal defendant about which you express concern was fully aware of the existence of the criminal investigation being conducted by the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office at the time he announced his candidacy for President. I have no doubt that many Americans are the subject of criminal investigations and prosecutions at any given moment. An announcement of a candidacy for elected office, whether President of the United States, Congress, or state or local office, is not and cannot be a bar to criminal investigation or prosecution. Any notion to the contrary is offensive to our democracy and to the fundamental principle that all people are equal before the law.

Chef's kiss, DA Willis. I bow to you.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
75. "Deal with reality or reality will deal with you. It is time that you deal with some basic realities."
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:29 PM
Sep 2023

Damn that is a good line, a thing of beauty.

jmowreader

(53,193 posts)
73. There's only one way she could have topped that...
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:26 PM
Sep 2023

…and Ms. Willis is too refined a lady to fly to Washington and punch Jim Jordan in the mouth.

Other than that, this is perfect.

enigmania

(457 posts)
80. Love it!
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:33 PM
Sep 2023

That was the most thorough and succinct missive I've read in ages. Can't wait for her book.

Efilroft Sul

(4,413 posts)
81. The racist threats her office received are documented in Exhibits F-O. She told Jordan to find out.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:38 PM
Sep 2023

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
108. "Instead of your stupid ass pranks, why don't you find out who is trying to kill me and my staff."
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:06 PM
Sep 2023
 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
86. OK, she is nothing short of FREAKING AWESOME.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:45 PM
Sep 2023

Hey, Joe... are you paying attention? How about an Attorney General with backbone? Fani!

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
88. Question: Does Willis indicate anywhere in that letter an implication of obstruction by Jordan?
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:47 PM
Sep 2023

Not able to do a careful and full reading... so I'm asking because I did see volumes of legal text and words indicating offense of principals.

So, I tgought I'd ask you the question.

Ocelot II

(130,532 posts)
97. Obstruction only in the sense that he's trying to interfere with her prosecution.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:56 PM
Sep 2023

She does not accuse him of involvement in the underlying RICO crime. It's bad enough that he's trying to keep her from prosecuting TFG and his minions.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
104. So, if she wanted to, she could bring obstruction charges against Jordan or request DOJ to bring Obstruction charges?
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:03 PM
Sep 2023

But she didn't quite go there in this letter. thank you.

But she could have done so based on legal grounds of obstruction?

Ocelot II

(130,532 posts)
111. The letter isn't a charging document or even an official pleading
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:07 PM
Sep 2023

in the underlying RICO case. It's just a letter telling Jordan, who demanded documents and evidence so he could "investigate" her prosecution, to go pound sand. As she stated in her letter, she wouldn't have had to respond at all. She has already charged everyone she's going to charge. The letter has nothing to do with the case except that she's reminding Jordan to fuck right off because Congress has no right to interfere with a state prosecution.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
114. I think she is doing way more than telling Gym to pound sand.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:11 PM
Sep 2023

I think she is clearly saying "You wanna screw with Fulton County? Bring it."

"You wanna stay out of trouble in Fulton County, then don't break the damn law here."

I am not talking about the law, I am talking about the psychology behind the letter. Yes she told him to FU.
But she is also warning Gym not to mess with her again. FA and FO.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
127. Thank you for your succinct clarification!
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:07 PM
Sep 2023

Imagine having to waste precious professional time and labor to deal with that ignorant scumbag!

Probably a FIRST and hopefully the last. But yeah, telling him to go pound sand is quite satisfying, though I think one more action like that from him ought to be seriously consequential forcing him to regret the day he was born.

Thanks again. Cheers.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
164. Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines,
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 04:22 AM
Sep 2023

This looks Gym-specific:

I have attached a summary of our programs funded with federal grant dollars as Exhibit E. You will note that the grant-funded programs include our nationally recognized initiative to process long-neglected sexual assault kits and prosecute dangerous sexual offenders who are identified via DNA results. These prosecutions are handled through the Sexual Assault Kit Initiative (S.A.K.L.) grant. We also receive federal grant funds for our groundbreaking hate crimes prosecution program, our community violence interruption efforts, and our programs with at-risk children.

Attilatheblond

(8,876 posts)
99. Henceforth, address all future mail to Jordan as:
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 03:58 PM
Sep 2023
To the Eunuch Formerly Known As Congressman Jordan

You know, in case you wanna send him a tube of burn ointment or something.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
122. This was certainly a jab at Gym.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:29 PM
Sep 2023

"You are too damn stupid to take the bar exam, go buy the cliff notes for $249."

NJCher

(43,164 posts)
109. Nicole Reading the Letter on Her Show 4 p.m. EST
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:07 PM
Sep 2023

She's reading and interacting with her guests.

Lonestarblue

(13,479 posts)
116. If Trump and his lawyers and co-defendants read this letter, they should be shaking in their shoes.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:12 PM
Sep 2023

This woman is super prepared and does not suffer fools.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
162. This☝️Fani is a brilliant legal mind. We are so lucky she's in a position
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 03:30 AM
Sep 2023

To prosecute these antiamerican thugs.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
124. Gym is probably furious that someone actually called him on his crap.
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 04:32 PM
Sep 2023

And didn't bow down to him just because he is a sacred members of congress.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
131. That line refusing to obey his subpoena
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:29 PM
Sep 2023

By quoting his own subpoena refusal back at him is a thing of beauty.

It's a real-life version of karma running over dogma!

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
132. The little excerpt I heard on Nicolle Wallace's show gave me chills
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:37 PM
Sep 2023

Like a wave of satisfaction running through my whole being. A mental climax.

I'll read the rest but I don't know if I'm ready to feel that again. I still have a lot of work to do. lol.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
134. The criminal defendant about which you express concern was fully aware
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:51 PM
Sep 2023
of the existence of the criminal investigation being conducted by the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office at the time he announced his candidacy for President. I have no doubt that many Americans are the subject of criminal investigations and prosecutions at any given moment. An announcement of a candidacy for elected office, whether President of the United States, Congress, or state or local office, is not and cannot be a bar to criminal investigation or prosecution. Any notion to the contrary is offensive to our democracy and to the fundamental principle that all people are equal before the law.




THANK YOU! We can't have a system where any jackass can run for office to escape being charged.

Disaffected

(6,401 posts)
135. Very impressive, especially if she
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 05:57 PM
Sep 2023

made time available to write it all herself.

In any case, Jordan likely is well aware of pretty much everything in the letter. It will make no difference to him - he just doesn't give a shit.

appmanga

(1,492 posts)
136. She didn't even...
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 06:16 PM
Sep 2023

...give him the respect of calling him "Chairman" or even "Congressman". That's a "fuck you" a line one.

ETA: Damn, that was spicy.

Amaryllis

(11,291 posts)
143. Wonder if Fox will cover it or ignore it...and if they cover, how will they spin it? THis would be
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 09:06 PM
Sep 2023

a hard one to spin.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
146. it's about damn time his bullshit is called out...........
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 09:23 PM
Sep 2023

Last edited Thu Sep 7, 2023, 10:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Pluvious

(5,395 posts)
148. I was just taking a skim-peak at this doc, and it sucked me in !
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 10:11 PM
Sep 2023

She brings the HAMMER on the fuckface !!

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
149. Lawrence O'Donnell MSNBC is reading from the letter
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 10:19 PM
Sep 2023

Adding his unbeatable inflection. Enjoyed that!

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
150. Mary McCord feels the tone of the letter was too condescending
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 10:24 PM
Sep 2023

Oh please! 🙄 Gym Jordan and the other rethugs are super offensive in their belief that trump should not be held accountable. It's racist AF too.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
153. not at all
Thu Sep 7, 2023, 10:30 PM
Sep 2023

i didn't find anything condescending about it at all. it was well researched, included proper legal citations, and truthful. It is basically impossible to respond to an unconstitutional request made by a dumbass that has no clue what he is talking about without pointing out that that person is a dumbass that has no clue what he's talking about.

spooky3

(38,632 posts)
160. I'm afraid I don't understand why Mary McCord
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:29 AM
Sep 2023

Is on MSNBC so often. I’ve never heard her say anything especially insightful. Maybe I’ve missed her best moments. Of course, I like the snarkier guests.

Rachel M at 6 pm

(156 posts)
158. I thought you were exaggerating but I read the letter anyway
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 12:56 AM
Sep 2023

You were not exaggerating

Fani Willis' letter to Gym Jordan is the best Fuck You letter I've ever read

Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
161. Gym says . . . oh come on, let's be friends here!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:50 AM
Sep 2023

Fani says NO!

And writes a massive missive to explain what the NO! means.

And she stays classy all the way. No 'FU', or 'Up Yours' to be seen anywhere. Work of art worth framing!

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
166. She also slapped him for being a lackey
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 07:46 AM
Sep 2023

As you know, Chairman Jordan, the congressional power of inquiry “is not unlimited.” Watkins v United States, 354 USS. 178, 187 (1957). Congress is not “a law enforcement or trial agency", that function is reserved only for “the executive and judicial departments of government.” Moreover,“investigations conducted solely for the personal aggrandizement of the investigators or to ‘punish' those investigated are indefensible.” More fundamentally, “a congressional subpoena is valid only related to, and in furtherance of, a legitimate task of the Congress.

Playingmantis

(638 posts)
172. Its a great reply (not that this will stop Jackass Jim) but I have some concerns. Anyone a lawyer?
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 10:23 AM
Sep 2023

Is there a possibility of multiple trials, maybe over a dozen, stretching out over years?

If they are tried together is there a chance that there could be multiple lawyers making multiple objections to each and every thing and again the trial is dragged out endlessly?



We need to convict these bastards but I am concerned they will do all they can to drag, obstruct and destroy her case

Anyone have any thoughts?

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
173. I dunno. Seems pretty vague and ambiguous.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 11:03 AM
Sep 2023

Or not.

Gym Jordan; high on my "Most Punchable" list.

Ninga

(9,012 posts)
175. Holy shit! I HAVE NEVER READ such a pitch perfect take down in every way, response!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 11:46 AM
Sep 2023

Just magnificent!

malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
176. I especially like how she suggests...
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 12:32 PM
Sep 2023

... the Government increase funding for rape and child abuse protection. Somehow, I don't think that was random.

-- Mal

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