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scipan

(2,381 posts)
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 01:49 AM Sep 2023

COVID-19 might either start or speed up neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's

COVID-19 infection might either start or speed up neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's disease (AD) and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD).

This paper is dense and deserves a break down.

Here you go:

There are increasing reports suggesting that a COVID-19 infection might either start or speed up neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's disease (AD) and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD).

These diseases (and others) are caused by human proteins misfolding into a structure called an "amyloid fibril." Once these fibrils form, they can cause more proteins to misfold in a chain reaction.

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein:
•The researchers previously found a potential mechanism where the spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus (which causes COVID-19) can turn into these problematic amyloid fibrils.
There are increasing reports suggesting that a COVID-19 infection might either start or speed up neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's disease (AD) and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD).
•This happens when the spike protein is cleaved (or cut) by an enzyme called neutrophil elastase, which is abundant when the body is fighting a COVID-19 infection.
Main Findings:
•In their experiments, they found that these spike-protein-formed amyloid fibrils can speed up the formation of amyloid fibrils from the human prion protein (HuPrP), which is associated with CJD.
•They also tested other disease-associated amyloid fibrils to see if they had the same effect, but it seems the effect is specific to the spike-protein-formed fibrils.
•Additionally, they found that the formation of amyloid fibrils associated with Alzheimer's disease (A?1-42) was also sped up by these spike-protein-formed fibrils.
•They identified specific segments of the spike protein that were most efficient in causing this acceleration in different proteins.
Conclusions & Implications?

While these findings are based on in vitro experiments (meaning outside a living organism, like in a petri dish), they suggest that the spike protein's amyloid fibrils might play a role in the reported increase of CJD, AD, and potentially other neurodegenerative diseases after COVID-19.

I’ve seen some immediately claim that this means it causes Mad Cow disease.
Its important to keep in mind that while Mad Cow Disease and the potential effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein both involve misfolded proteins, they are related to different types of misfolded structures (prions for Mad Cow and amyloid fibrils for the potential COVID-19 connection). However, the authors suggest a possible link between the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and the acceleration of conditions like CJD, which is in the same family of diseases as the variant caused by Mad Cow.


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I haven't had it yet, and this makes me more determined not to get it. So, just keep masking and stuff if you can.
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Skittles

(153,538 posts)
1. there are people who say aw, Covid will be like the flu, yearly shot!
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:15 AM
Sep 2023

Last edited Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:54 AM - Edit history (1)

please let me know when one in five cases can become "long flu" and the flu can speed up other illnesses......

scipan

(2,381 posts)
2. Right. I mean, I get that you can't isolate yourself for life...
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 02:23 AM
Sep 2023

but, it seems to me that you don't want this thing if you had your druthers.

Typical magaloons defiant in the face of a danger, they're dropping dead at what, 3x the rate of liberals?

JCMach1

(27,596 posts)
13. And they might... but it is pretty random who isn't
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 08:13 AM
Sep 2023

I was a healthy 53 with none of the conditions I have now.

But, I got nailed. I can also add the vertigo developed after having it for the 3rd time.

So yeah, viral Russian roulette.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
5. Please define long Covid and indicate the percentage of people who recover from it.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 06:19 AM
Sep 2023

Last edited Fri Sep 8, 2023, 07:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Please also indicate if the study you get your one in five figure from had a control group

Look around you. Are one in five of the people you know suffering from a disabling medical condition called long Covid?

The CDC estimates that as of the end of 2022 78% of the country had been infected by Covid. And you seriously claim 1 in 5 of those now suffer from 'long covid'? Seriously?

And I am not claiming that some suffer actual long term disability effects of Covid. I am saying that it ain't 50% or 20 or 10 or anything like that.
Did you know that applications for social security disability benefits have gone down every year in the Covid era?

Skittles

(153,538 posts)
6. ...
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 07:00 AM
Sep 2023
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220622.htm

andwhile this has decreased recently, who wants to take that chance, especially for the idiots who gets Covid over and over again:
As of June 2023, about 11% of adults who had ever had COVID reported that they were currently experiencing symptoms of long COVID, down from nearly 19% one year ago.Jun 30, 2023

bottom line is, COVID AIN'T NO FLU

over and OUT...done here
 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
7. I'm sure you are done.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 07:22 AM
Sep 2023

So what explains the drop from 20 to 10? Remember when our resident long Covid expert was running around for years claiming 50 percent of those infected got long Covid?

In the poll (because that's all that a survey without a control group is): what were the symptoms? How long did they last? How many recovered?

Don't you have any curiosity about long Covid?

PS: all respiratory diseases can have lasting effects. We just haven't spent billions of dollars studying them.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,949 posts)
15. Not to downplay long covid, but I don't think one in five cases
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 09:33 PM
Sep 2023

have become long covid.

I have been saying that covid reveals the vagaries of the human immune system, and how some of us are more, and some are less immune than others.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
4. You can stop reading after the word 'might'.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 06:16 AM
Sep 2023

This is Covid fear porn.
I 'might' win the lottery next week and become a billionaire.

JCMach1

(27,596 posts)
10. Are you for real? I live this reality every day
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 07:56 AM
Sep 2023

And no, I personally can't say how many people have had experiences as bad as mine, but I can clearly lay out a cluster of effects/disorders that occur that are directly caused by the virus.

It is absolutely damaging when people like yourself try to downplay how serious the disease can be. It's the equivalent of someone in the 40's/50's downplaying the effects of polio because the science was pretty new. Meanwhile, people are still being struck down by the illness .

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
11. Yes. I am for real. And I don't deny that there are some who suffer
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 07:59 AM
Sep 2023

disabling effects of Covid.
I'm just asking a couple of very simple questions that any expert on the subject should be able to answer.

JCMach1

(27,596 posts)
12. No, you called it fear mongering... that frankly is pretty insulting to anyone
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 08:05 AM
Sep 2023

Who understands the reality of what this virus can cause .. for the record, I am blocking this person now

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
14. Adios. I didn't use the words 'fear mongering'. I used the far m
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 08:13 AM
Sep 2023

more colorful phrase 'covid fear porn'. The way DU works it probably isn't clear that I use the phrase in replying to the OP alone.
When I comment on long Covid studies I usually use the phrase 'junk science'.

JCMach1

(27,596 posts)
9. Covid can trigger a host of other diseases... in my severe case it triggered
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 07:53 AM
Sep 2023

Type 2 Diabetes
Hidradenitis Suppurtiva
Lung and Heart issues
Severe vertigo/dizziness
Brain fog


Some of the issues have waxed and wanted over 2 years, but all are still present. MRI even showed white matter anomalies similar to a person with several migraines. I am taking that as the physical evidence of what's going on in my brain.

Note, I never had any of those conditions before Covid. All of them began while hospitalized with C19.

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