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He has kept his secret for 60 years.
Paul Landis was one of two Secret Service agents tasked with guarding first lady Jacqueline Kennedy on November 22, 1963the day President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. In a new book, The Final Witness, to be published in October, Landis claims to have seen something that afternoon that he had never publicly admitted before. His secret, coming to light only now, will certainly reorient how historians and laymen perceive that grave and harrowing event. His account also raises questions about whether there might have been a second gunman in Dallas that day.
After much prodding and reflection, Landis, now 88, made the decision to begin laying out his recollections for publication. Because I have written three books on presidential history, and because Landiss publisher, Chicago Review Press, happens to be my publisher, an editor there asked me to read a copy of the galley and offer my comments, which I did quite eagerly. In fact, I was so taken with Landiss backstory and, upon spending time with him, so drawn to the facets of his tale that are not answered in the book (whose details were first reported in The New York Times), that I probed further, maintaining a healthy dose of skepticism.
And yet, as I got to know him during more than a dozen meetings this past year, I was won over by his integrity and by the way his account of what he witnessed in Dallasand in the grave months of American mourning that followedremained consistent and unwavering. Over time, Landis and I became close. As a result, I am writing this assessment of his narrative (and of his motives for coming out with his story) not only as a historian and armchair investigator but as Landiss confidant.
Twenty-three-year-old Paul Landis applied to become a Secret Service agent in 1958. He came from Worthington, Ohio, a suburb of Columbus, and had graduated from Ohio Wesleyan University 15 months earlier. A neighborhood boy, Bob Foster, who was friends with Landiss sister, had joined the Secret Service two years before. After speaking with Foster, Landis thought being in the Secret Service sounded like the coolest job in the universe.
*snip*
Hotler
(13,747 posts)'boys' plural. " I still got the shovels".
localroger
(3,782 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,847 posts)localroger
(3,782 posts)usaf-vet
(7,811 posts)....the door. Third seat back from the front.
Two years later, I was a USAF Medic scrub in on a surgery when the announcement was made.
milestogo
(23,084 posts)the back of the limo, pushed Mrs. Kennedy back into and down on the seat, and shielded them with his body for the breakneck drive to Parkland Hospital. He was the only Secret Service agent who did anything at all to protect the Kennedys that day. Nobody else moved.
Never heard of Landis, but I didn't see him on the back of the limo.
FreeState
(10,702 posts)Never mind the time that has passed on top of that.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/uncategorized/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html
yardwork
(69,364 posts)I'm not biased one way or the other toward various JFK theories. I'm just immediately skeptical of this guy coming forward now. If all he has to offer are his now-revealed memories, I don't see this going anywhere.
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)He quit the SService within a year of that day.
Boomerproud
(9,292 posts)Huge mistakes.
dflprincess
(29,341 posts)and told him what he saw/did was not what happened.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)boston bean
(36,931 posts)It did not come from Connallys stretcher and there was no magic bullet.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)that it didn't come from Connellys stretcher and was forced into saying I am not sure.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)picking up the most important evidence of the 20th century, not telling anyone about it then just placing it in proximity to the body is a bit of a stretch for me.
And no, I am not interested in spending my Saturday evening rehashing all the evidence of the JFK assasination. I'll just leave it at that. I hope he sells a ton of books.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Are there dry spells? Is there a cycle? The publishers know.
Hes gotta pay the bills like everyone else.
Igel
(37,535 posts)Addressed late in the article is a justification for his silence--the Warren Commission report wasn't out when he turned away from the entire business and stopped paying attention to it because, Freud and others notwithstanding, sometimes just moving on is the best way to handle trauma. (It's so not the current Zeitgeist, but has a fair amount of disliked research supporting it. It's just that it cuts into psychologists' income and is taken to indicating that you're a bad person for adequately feeling for the vulnerable.)
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)Failing that, he should have at least told someone about it and told them where he found it.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)localroger
(3,782 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)Srkdqltr
(9,760 posts)Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)I've stuck with that conclusion for 50 years
roamer65
(37,953 posts)JFK was assassinated and Khrushchev was removed from power and pensioned offone year later.
At this point, to me as well the question is WHY was he killed.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)The question for me. It's not so much the who but the why. Because the who part was truncated and left to spawn conspiracies it was left alone to distract from people asking why.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)He said RFK told assistants he wished he could abolish the CIA because they wanted him to go to war with Cuba, and put more troops into Laos & Viet Nam.
Srkdqltr
(9,760 posts)Of all the Kennedys and Conellys. After all this time I have no clue whatever happened to that.
There were reporters at the time who disappeared from view.
Most people at the time knew there was a lot more than has been ever reported or will ever be reported. Ever.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)There were so many stories going around then added too over the years. People were no different then then they are now.
Wednesdays
(22,603 posts)So, we'll have to wait until 2043, then?
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)to come forward to correct he record all these years. I am glad that he has--however late, albeit we will undoubtedly never know if a second shooter was involved and if so, who. Too many years and too many opportunities for coverup.
dembotoz
(16,922 posts)
dflprincess
(29,341 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 9, 2023, 10:46 PM - Edit history (1)
said that Kenneth O'Donnell & Dave Powers (two of JFK's aides & friends who had been with him for years) told him in 1968 that they both thought two shots were fired from the fence on the grassy knoll.
O'Neill reminded O'Donnell that his testimony to the Warren Commission had been different and, per O'Neill, O'Donnell responded "I told the FBI what I had heard, but they said it couldn't have happened that way and that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family."
Since that time O'Donnell's son has said that his father called the Warren Commission investigation "pointless" and claimed shots came from two different directions.
I've always thought if the FBI could pressure two of Kennedy's closest friends into changing their testimony, what kind of effect would they have on ordinary citizens who witnessed the assassination?
roamer65
(37,953 posts)Utterly perfect area for triangulation.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)I was struck by how small it was. Taking a shot from any of the suspected places would not be difficult, and I'm no expert with guns.
H2O Man
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bend to the pressure, Powers did not testify before the Warren Commission. These were war veterans, who immediately understood what was happening. Powers went beyond saying what he heard, and did tell others what he saw come from behind the fence on the knoll.
William Seger
(12,443 posts)Contrary to Stone's "back and to the left" scene, the Zapruder film actually shows that JFK was in fact hit from behind: His head immediately snapped forward about 2.5" before starting the back-and-to-the-left motion. That motion starts two frames after the hit, and the motion shows acceleration for the first several frames. Neither the delay nor the acceleration can be explained by momentum transfer from a bullet, but they can be explained by muscular spasm. This was first pointed out shortly after the film was made public (and I actually rediscovered it myself), but JFK conspiracy theorists just choose to ignore it.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)blue neen
(12,465 posts)I sure don't believe Oswald was a lone gunman.
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)struggle4progress
(126,156 posts)is lost, damaged, contaminated ...
It really doesn't matter what new tales anyone tells now
rubbersole
(11,223 posts)has a frequent guest (I'm not looking it up right now) who has written books on the assassination back story. His conclusion has a mafia/Cuban connection. Listening to them talk about it is/was fascinating.
dflprincess
(29,341 posts)you can bet there was a CIA connection as well.
Neither the mob nor the CIA were happy about Cuba and, going back to the days when the CIA was called the OSS, the two had a partnership.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)Vietnam doc the military was mad that Kennedy wanted to stop what was happening in Vietnam. I don't trust them either as Johnson took over and immediately sent a bunch of troops over few months later.
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Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)good Johnson did with civil rights and medicare. But Ken Burns has a bunch of videos of Johnson throughout the series being a total pro war president especially for Vietnam, it was all about this big bad fear of communism leftover from the 50's. At times he talked to the country lying about how the war was going. Makes me wonder what was up since they showed the main general over there was really screwing up bad choices and lying about how they were doing. They measured success by how many they killed not winning over the people they came to help.
It ended up taking Johnson down and why he decided not to run for reelection.
Igel
(37,535 posts)Esp. when there's some ulterior motivation.
But sometimes it's just a "slippery slope" sort of deal. You do x, but x + 1 isn't that much different, so, sure, why not? And if x+1 is okay, how about x+2? Then x+10, x+30, and you realize that your original position was nibbled to nothing by harmless guppies.
Then again, a lot of people change their minds and do things that an earlier (or later) self would be furious at.
It's still called "Viet Nam."
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womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)He had big disagreements with the CIA over Cuba, Laos and Viet Nam. CIA kept pushing for war and JFK wanted peace.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)He escalated the war in Vietnam. Now, maybe he was personally opposed to it, but it didn't seem like that at the time.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)We are towards the end now Nixons time but Kennedy changed his mind and was about to take troops out right before he was killed, which made me wonder if military was part of who killed him big money in war. Once Johnson took over he escalated and sent more troops.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)I read reviews that said this was the best one he made. It's hard to watch the violence but yes made great.
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)Rhiannon12866
(255,530 posts)I was in elementary school at the time, yet the events of that day are forever etched in my mind - and reading this took me right back. Fascinating read.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Can we at least wait until after Halloween?
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)William Seger
(12,443 posts)Well, it makes no sense at all to me -- it raises more questions than it answers. Nor would I agree that the single bullet theory is "the core finding" of the Warren Commission. Rather, JFK conspiracy theorists have tried to make it a key anomaly that would reveal the hoax. The single bullet theory simply was, and still is, the most logical explanation for the evidence, and personal incredulity isn't enough to displace it; you need better evidence or a better story for the evidence we have -- all of it. I'm not seeing it here, since there's no real explanation for JFK's front bullet wound or the whereabouts of the bullet that injured Connally, if that isn't it.
moniss
(9,056 posts)here who remembers the Church Committee Hearings on Intelligence etc. conducted in 1975. These hearings were broadcast live on PBS and I remember being glued to them. Then came the part where they were examining the assassination of JFK. The testimony was riveting and their was a huge announcement that the next day former Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana was scheduled to testify. The anticipation nationwide was huge. The following morning the news announced that Sam Giancana had been found shot to death in his home in Oak Park, Illinois. So you would think that when the Committee resumed they would make a big stink about one of their biggest witnesses being killed right before testifying. Not a peep.
Giancana had already done time for refusing to talk about mob business and in fact went to Mexico for years to escape any grand juries etc. asking questions. So it doesn't make sense that someone would kill him because they were worried he would talk about "business". There were other cross links between Sam, JFK and the Intelligence folks though that have been well reported. The main question for me about this aspect is who didn't want Sam talking about the killing of JFK etc.? Run that down and you may be closer to who killed JFK and the why.
Xolodno
(7,350 posts)The Warren Commission already had a premise and went about trying to prove it. It was a lone crazed gun man. And they may be right, but how they went about their investigation, puts a lot of shade on its objectivity.
It's well known the Soviets didn't have a hand in it, they were shitting bricks if a mid level KGB agent planned and authorized it. To their relief, none in the department did. And Krushiv being deposed a year later was due to his ailing condition. He could barely rule at that point and when he was deposed, he just came back from a three month vacation. And when he was given the "charges" of his deposition he said "Stop, I know what you are going to do". Rather than go through a show trial, accepted his resignation, then gave him a small farm to cultivate as a hobby and let him live out the last days of his life.
CIA? Let me just ask, do you think you cant trust them?
The Mob, I'm sure they were miffed at RFK's inquiries into them after they did a "favor". But killing a politician is bad for business (their offing of Jimmy Hoffa still haunts them), better to blackmail them to get what you want and I'm sure they had a lot of goods on JFK's escapades.
I definitely lean towards Oswald being just a nut case, the attempted assassin on Reagan was a nutcase as well. And they are hard to predict and track. And if the CIA did have any involvement, fairly sure there will be no written record of it anywhere and those that knew are probably long since dead. And the evidence today is no doubt supportive of the Warren Commission, so there is nothing to be gleamed from it.
But the nostalgia and conspiracy does make a lot of money for some.
But probably correct.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Oswald was tracked for years by both the CIA and FBI. He had been assigned to a secret intelligence base while in the Marines and then repudiated America and went to Russia. He supposedly got tired of Russia and asked to come back to the U.S. Despite knowing U.S. secrets and fleeing to Russia he was welcomed back to the U.S. and was not questioned about his life in Russia. Instead he was given a job where the person to be assassinated came to him at Dealey Plaza. With every other assassination the killer had to go to the victim. Not with JFK. He came to the killer. How convenient!
Sanity Claws
(22,413 posts)Celerity
(54,409 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,395 posts)And lots of agents were lushes.
Former U.S. Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN was the first African American Secret Service agent to serve in the White House, personally appointed and literally hand-picked by President John F. Kennedy to the White House detail. Agent Abraham Bolden reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president," quoting fellow Secret Service agents on the JFK detail.
In addition to enduring all manner of personal indignities, he was concerned at the lack of professionalism in those assigned to protect the president and reported his concerns. He was told, "OK. Thanks" by his superiors. When the problems weren't addressed, Bolden requested transfer back to the Secret Service office in Chicago.

President Biden recently pardoned Abraham Bolden
The story of a man who told the truth:
After 45 Years, a Civil Rights Hero Waits for Justice
Thom Hartmann
June 12, 2009 11:52 AM
A great miscarriage of justice has kept most Americas from learning about a Civil Rights pioneer who worked with President John F. Kennedy. But there is finally a way for citizens to not only right that wrong, but bring closure to the most tragic chapter of American presidential history.
After an outstanding career in law enforcement, Abraham Bolden was appointed by JFK to be the first African American presidential Secret Service agent, where he served with distinction. He was part of the Secret Service effort that prevented JFK's assassination in Chicago, three weeks before Dallas. But Bolden was framed by the Mafia and arrested on the very day he went to Washington to tell the Warren Commission staff about the Chicago attempt against JFK.
Bolden was sentenced to six years in prison, despite glaring problems with his prosecution. His arrest resulted from accusations by two criminals Bolden had sent to prison. In Bolden's first trial, an apparently biased judge told the jury that Bolden was guilty, even before they began their deliberations. Though granted a new trial because of that, the same problematic judge was assigned to oversee Bolden's second trial, which resulted in his conviction. Later, the main witness against Bolden admitted committing perjury against him. A key member of the prosecution even took the fifth when asked about the perjury. Yet Bolden's appeals were denied, and he had to serve hard time in prison, and today is considered a convicted felon.
After the release of four million pages of JFK assassination files in the 1990s, it became clear that Bolden -- and the official secrecy surrounding the Chicago attempt against JFK -- were due to National Security concerns about Cuba, that were unknown to Bolden, the press, Congress, and the public not just in 1963, but for the next four decades.
SNIP...
Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth about events involving the man he was sworn to protect -- JFK -- that became mired in National Security concerns. Bolden still lives in Chicago, and has never given up trying to clear his name.
Will Abraham Bolden live to finally see the justice so long denied to him?
CONTINUED...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/after-45-years-a-civil-ri_b_213834.html
After the assassination, he went to Washington on his own dime and reported what he saw to the Warren Commission. For his trouble -- and despite an exemplary record as a Brinks detective, Illinois State Trooper, and Secret Service agent -- Bolden was framed by the government using a paid informant's admitted perjury and spent a long time in prison. The government also drugged him and put him into psychiatric hospitals. His real crime was telling the truth.
Americans know the Truth: the country hasn't been the same since Nov. 22, 1963. President Kennedy kept the nation out of Vietnam and started toward the moon. He made clear that ALL Americans were equal under law. Imagine what the New Frontier could have become for us today? Certainly would not be a time where "money trumps peace."
PCIntern
(28,369 posts)Nothing anyone says is going to change the minds of those who, for whatever reason, think that Oswald was the lone shooter, acted on his own, and that Jack Ruby the mobster, wanted to avenge the death of the president of United States by saving Jackie Kennedy, the misery of enduring a trial of the supposed assassin. Nothing.
But Im gonna tell you this
we knew they were lying to us watching TV at the time in the same way that we know that Trump lies to us now. I will never forget watching TV and having everyone, and I mean everyone talk about the Mauser rifle they found which suddenly changed to a Mannlicher-Carcano , despite the protestations of all the sheriffs, deputies and police who saw the weapon. What a bunch of bullshit and it only got worse from there.
Its been 60 years and in the same fashion that you almost had a coup détat a few years ago, you had a successful one then. If you dont believe it, I dont really give a shit.
Well said.
PCIntern
(28,369 posts)Im really sick of the bullshit. Its like the people who go on air now and claim that Trump went down to the 9/11 wreckage and helped out and gave money and even assisted the excavation. We know this was a lie because he was on the phone with media discussion how tall his building were relative to the WTC. But it doesnt matter to them. Its like an absurdist French play.
H2O Man
(79,052 posts)Igel
(37,535 posts)It's not over until the bald lady sings, I guess.
dflprincess
(29,341 posts)I remember hearing my dad say to my mom, "Someone doesn't want him talking."
It didn't mean much to me at the time, but as time has gone by I'm inclined to think he was right.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)correct one. I see it happen locally, and nationally, today. Facts get jumbled. People insist they saw what they actually didn't see.
That said, I remember what the late Senator Pat Moynihan said about the Warren Commission. An expert on the Lincoln Assassination told him that if investigators were not transparent, if they were not completely honest with the public from the get-go, their findings, whatever they turned out to be, would be forever tainted, and likely disbelieved. Which of course it was, is.
Moynihan went on to muse that every scrap of evidence collected by investigators, even that tangentially related to the assassination, were released, it would still not be believed because too many lies were told. He declined to speculate on what he thought happened.
LymphocyteLover
(9,847 posts)she was 24 in 1963, I was 1
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)And why? I don't need a long answer just two sentences at most.
John1956PA
(4,964 posts)That scene is burned into my memory.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.mt0k19r_VqQRw76xdf2s-QHaE9?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)It was and is the glaring defect in the Warren report.
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)I was 12 years old when Kennedy was killed, and even I thought it was bullshit.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)years later.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)is that the rifle oswald was using, according to the same report, was incapable of firing fast enough to account for the multiple victims using the obvious method: multiple shots. So if 'magic bullet' doesn't work, then there were multiple shots and there is a glaring problem with the single shooter using oswald's rifle. Substitute 'implausible' for plausible. Its has always been the problem with the official story.
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Aristus
(72,187 posts)Don't they know it was the CIA, teaming up with the Mafia, the Cubans, and aliens, who all gathered under an invisibility cloak on the grassy knoll, drew 'DEATH' from a deck of Tarot cards, and then unleashed a magic death ray on JFK?
A lone ex-Marine with a rifle could no more assassinate the President than an obscure artillery officer could rise up and conquer half of Europe and crown himself Emperor.
Man, when is this idiotic conspiracy theory going to die?
Silent3
(15,909 posts)They don't, unfortunately, even fade very much either.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)...the whole "I just didn't bother to read the details of the warren commission report and just assumed it was true" for 50 years seems very unlikely. I mean he'd have to be living in a cave not to come into contact with the controversy.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)the internet but everyone watched Walter Cronkite nightly. Hard to believe he didn't being the upright guy this article said. Unless being bothered by it he turned off tv every single time they talked about JFK.
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)from the event.
He was one of two agents who convinced Jackie to let go of JFKs bloody head and leave the car so they could get him out.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)I still find it hard to believe that someone could have lived for 50 years in the United States without having any exposure to the concept that there was an ongoing debate over Kennedy's assassination and that the official findings were controversial. It does not seem very believable to me.
NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)Watching the Zapruder Film its pretty clear the killing head shot came from the front. I've shot at watermelons as a kid and I've never seen one where all the debris flew backwards toward the direction the bullet went in. Especially at the velocity with thru and thru. If you watch the video (below) you can see the impact on JFKs forehead BEFORE the back of his head blows out. (Link below,).
A couple decades ago I bought a book called The Killing of a President. It was very detailed and included JFK autopsy pictures. I was amazed it was even released. I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories but a lot of stuff made sense. It at least raised questions that I was able to research and decide it was likely there were more shooters.
It's available on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Killing-President-Photographic-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/0140240039

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demigoddess
(6,675 posts)men were the most successful assassinations in the 60s. JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King Jr. And the FBI was supposed to be guarding them from assassination.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Cha
(319,077 posts)bother me that it's 60 years later.
I know not everything happens when we want it to.
And being 86 doesn't seem to get in Paul Landis' way.
So I'm not disbelieving it out of hand.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I rank it up with the disappearance of Judge Crater and the location of Amelia Aerhart's plane.
Polybius
(21,901 posts)Not even TWA Flight 800?
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)No missle.
Polybius
(21,901 posts)Definite conspiracy of some sort. Engineers aren't experts when it comes to missiles destroying things, especially detecting sulfur.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Or you heard that?
Polybius
(21,901 posts)Documentary Alleges TWA Flight 800 Cover-Up
It's 100% terrorism, and I'm no big conspiracy guy at all, besides maybe JFK I don't believe in many at all.
Mr. Sparkle
(3,711 posts)I think we know the answer and it points to a cover up.
retread
(3,922 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)If he did not report it at the time, it did not happen.