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qwlauren35

(6,309 posts)
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 03:25 PM Sep 2023

Pro-Family Legislation - Does it help?

Hi everyone, I saw an article about all of the pro-family legislation that is coming as a result of ending abortion access, and I decided to do a blog about it. But I wanted to ask the folks in DU - do you think this legislation has value?

I would especially like to hear from parents and grandparents of young children. I realize that most of DU is older men, but as voting citizens, you have the power to push these things through, so I wanted your opinion.

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In a recent blog, I mentioned some pro-family legislation that has come about in Republican states as a result of anti-abortion legislation. And I said that it doesn’t go far enough. Well, there has been progress; Congress is getting involved, across the table. Most of the bills I’m listing here have joint bipartisan co-sponsorship, and hopefully will go through. For example, there is a bipartisan program put together in the Senate to address the horrific number of maternal deaths, which has tripled since 1990. The program includes improved training, telehealth options and more doula care – non-obstetric professionals providing pre-natal, labor and post-natal care. There are also several initiatives to collect data in the hope of finding more solutions. And the House also passed a bill to increase home health aide visitation.


Also at the Senate level, there is also a bill to raise the child tax credit from $2000 to $4200 for children under 6. This is sponsored by one of the most liberal Republican politicians in the Senate (Romney), so we’ll see if it will fly.


Next, there is a bipartisan bill to increase adoption rates with an expanded adoption tax credit.


A bill with government funding is a bipartisan bill that provides funding for early child-care education programs, possibly resulting in free child-care for low income families.


There are two efforts that truly help two of the most vulnerable populations, teens in school and college women who get pregnant. One bill instructs colleges to provide resources for mothers in terms of housing, daycare and spaces for breast feeding. Another bill is a block-grant to pay for child care for teen parents.


An amazing bipartisan bill is around affordable housing. It’s a tweak of an existing act which will increase the housing credit and expand access, block communities from excluding programs in their neighborhoods and increase access for college students.
Last is a bipartisan bill to raise the pre-tax spending account for child-care from $5,000 to $10,500. This helps middle-income families more than it helps low-income families, but it is something.


The interesting thing about these bills is that they reduce the amount of income tax or require government spending, but don’t affect private companies. In contrast, Democrats want to get employers involved. They have sponsored a bill to expand family and medical leave to 12 weeks. This is unpaid. But it keeps employers from replacing workers. Biden put a 12-week paid leave policy in his Build Back Better Bill in 2021 and it was one of the first items to get cut. We are one of the only first-world countries that does not offer this.


One employer-affected bill that passed last year is the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act. In my mind, it requires employers to do the minimum, but it is a start. Pregnant women and new mothers are allowed to ask for accommodations and receive them without reprimand. A chair, a water bottle, a place to nurse. Lifting weight limits, unpaid leave for doctor’s appts, accommodations for morning sickness. These are real issues for women working in low-paying jobs; issues that previously could get them fired. So, it’s a big thing, at little cost to employers.


Congress cannot affect Medicaid, but several states are stepping up, increasing the length of time a new mother can receive Medicaid, or increasing the income level of eligibility. And some states are getting employers to offer paid parental leave.


It is sad that it took the end of abortion rights to push legislators to address family issues in a big way, but it’s happening. It’s about time.

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Pro-Family Legislation - Does it help? (Original Post) qwlauren35 Sep 2023 OP
"I realize that most of DU is older men" leftstreet Sep 2023 #1
Old is relative, but yes. qwlauren35 Sep 2023 #3
I don't think that's why your post might sink leftstreet Sep 2023 #5
Actually qwlauren35 Sep 2023 #8
Banning abortion is not about cute little Gerber babies & how selfish women are for wanting to Hekate Sep 2023 #11
Preach it sister! Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #15
TY so much. I had more to say below. Hekate Sep 2023 #23
Well said! Spazito Sep 2023 #19
TY so much. I had more to say below. Hekate Sep 2023 #24
"Put the fight for abortion rights aside" leftstreet Sep 2023 #20
This is a realization I had about my Mom who was raised Catholic & never would have ... Hekate Sep 2023 #21
Lies are all the forced birthers have... Spazito Sep 2023 #25
It is nothing short of sinful Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #26
Polices that directly help people certainly have value. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2023 #2
My feeling is that Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #4
I'm one of the "old" women around here. slightlv Sep 2023 #6
"Don't be upset, little pregnant lady. Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #12
The original article qwlauren35 Sep 2023 #7
I do understand your point Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #9
It doesn't matter to me how great any program is in helping to keep Solly Mack Sep 2023 #10
They'll take away our right to vote next! Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #13
And offer us promises that amount to nothing in exchange. Solly Mack Sep 2023 #14
That's a bit harder. Elessar Zappa Sep 2023 #16
Of course I was being sarcastic Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #17
The mistake is assuming that the number of abortions *needs* to be reduced. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2023 #18
I really am sorry, but this is how much Republicans care about children & moms.... Hekate Sep 2023 #22
++++agree 100% Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #27

qwlauren35

(6,309 posts)
3. Old is relative, but yes.
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 03:50 PM
Sep 2023

I am an older woman. I have been on DU since Kerry ran in 2004. For lots of reasons, DU does not attract a lot of millennials, and the women's voices are powerful, but not frequent. I could take a poll, but not everyone participates. I think the administrators might have some statistics.

Not sure why you think my statement is inaccurate.

Another telling factor will be to see how fast this post sinks to the bottom with few views.
I will bet you that by the end of the day (and it is 3:49pm EST), this post will not be on the front page.

leftstreet

(40,680 posts)
5. I don't think that's why your post might sink
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 04:17 PM
Sep 2023

And I doubt it has much to do with age or gender

I think you'll find a majority here believe the US needs better family and child legislation REGARDLESS of the abortion issue. Your OP comes across as Well now that abortion is illegal let's have better policies!! Not a winning message



qwlauren35

(6,309 posts)
8. Actually
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 04:30 PM
Sep 2023

that is exactly my message.

Abortion is illegal in many states. It finally looks like congress is going to do things to help the women who are not having abortions. For whatever reason.

Put the fight for abortion rights aside for a moment and consider whether these policies might do some good.



Hekate

(100,133 posts)
11. Banning abortion is not about cute little Gerber babies & how selfish women are for wanting to
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 07:23 PM
Sep 2023

Last edited Mon Sep 11, 2023, 08:56 PM - Edit history (1)

…. not have cute little babies. It is about controlling women and girls and their futures by any means necessary — using shame as a big part of it. But just to cut to the chase: “pro-life” Republicans lie their socks off. They never have and never will give a flying fig if the women and children of this nation starve to death. They are, however, good at blaming women.

I do not know how old you are, qwlauren, or what your high school years were like, or how your mom pounded home the necessary lessons to keep you safe. So I will tell you what it was like to graduate high school in 1965 and go to college before Roe.

I was a virgin and a very determined one. I wanted to go to college. Girls who gave in were called names — “slut” being one and “mommy” being another. Because contraception was not available to unmarried girls under 21. I was lucky — the boy I was in love with in high school had a best friend who had to get married in his first year in college, and the prospect of that scared the bejeebers out of my boyfriend.

Here were your choices if you got pregnant: a very early marriage at 16 or so, or give up your firstborn to adoption. Keeping your “out of wedlock baby” was really not much of an option, given the extremely harsh social consequences, like having to drop out of high school or college, the end of career prospects, no childcare, welfare which was barely enough to keep body and soul together and came with a hefty dose of shame.

Abortion was illegal as hell, and very dangerous as a consequence.

Which reminds me: did you read Dobbs? Did you notice the antiquated language that schmuck Alito used? You really need to read Dobbs. He thinks women and girls who give birth to out of wedlock babies (he stopped short of calling them bastards) really owe it to childless married couples to give them up for adoption.

After 50 years of watching this battle rage from Roe on thru Dobbs, I can tell you right now that so called conservatives care nothing whatsoever about helping women and their children. Every chance they get, they cut welfare, childcare, food benefits, medical care from prenatal onward through death by old age, and any kind of help with shelter. Sex education for kids or even adults? Not a chance.

Conservatives resent women competing for jobs that rightly belong to men. They are pissed at women having babies and then expecting some kind of governmental help to raise them. They are good at blaming us for everything about our lives and our gender. They want to control our futures as God intended, and as it used to be in the good old days when we could not control our fertility and never knew from one month to another if we were pregnant — again.




Hekate

(100,133 posts)
21. This is a realization I had about my Mom who was raised Catholic & never would have ...
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 03:36 AM
Sep 2023

… had an abortion. She was born in 1924, just to give you an idea of her era.

When I was in high school it was all before Roe, as I mentioned in another post — but the argument was all over the back sections of TIME magazine, which I read avidly. The Pill was a big deal in the same magazine. I talked to Mom about things I didn’t understand and she was usually very informative. But when I asked her what “abortion” was she said tersely, “It’s murder.”

But here’s another piece of her life and my observations: in the first 9 years of my life she was pregnant 7 times and had 4 living children (I’m the oldest). One child was a full-term stillbirth that broke her heart. During one miscarriage she almost hemorrhaged to death on the operating table, and had an out of body experience where she watched the surgeons try to save her life and she literally had to decide to return to the cares of her existence so that I and my first brother would not be orphaned as toddlers — as she said, she breathed in. During another miscarriage it was simply that she leaked blood for months until she was pretty anemic and the family doc questioned her and ordered her to go get a D&C, because anemia wasn’t the worst thing that could happen, sepsis was.

I am 76 this month and there are puzzle-pieces I am still putting together. Some of it is in pure revulsion toward the forced birth movement. I realized that #1 they have redefined all the most effective forms of contraception as abortifacients, which is a lie. #2 they have renamed as “abortion” procedures that had been standard of care for miscarrying women certainly as long as I’d been alive — which is another of their lies. A D&C is not an abortion.

I was pretty disgusted about #1, because when I became sexually active I chose my birth control very carefully and understood how each worked. 5 years on the Pill. A couple of years between my babies I used a diaphragm. Several years with an IUD. But according to the forced birthers I was destroying “babies” the whole time.

But what really tore it for me was how after Dobbs forced birth legislatures went batshit crazy all over this country and made it pellucidly clear that they are perfectly fine with women like my Mom hemorrhaging to death or dying of sepsis — because what was standard of care for at least a century is suddenly a goddam abortion. And the extraction of Mom’s stillborn baby? The wanted little redheaded boy? He was dead, he was literally beginning to rot, because that’s what dead things do. But according to these batshit crazy people, that was also an abortion.

Please, please, do not believe their lies.

Spazito

(55,497 posts)
25. Lies are all the forced birthers have...
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 06:07 PM
Sep 2023

it's all they have ever had. Controlling the lives and behaviors of others are what they live for, work for, pay off politicians for.

Your Mom's story needs to be told repeatedly so those who are falling for the lies might realize what is really happening.

Diamond_Dog

(40,575 posts)
26. It is nothing short of sinful
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:17 PM
Sep 2023

How Catholic wives and women were treated back in those days. I’m sorry your mom went through all that, Hecate. Church didn’t care whether children lost a mother in childbirth. Men could always find another wife. How didn’t your mom have a severe case of depression? The patriarchy of the church was and still is just disgusting in its attitude towards women. Sepsis, hemorrhaging to death, stillbirths, etc. It is all just “God’s Will”.

I am thinking of a good friend a few years older than myself, her mother was also a “Good Catholic” who had ten kids and a husband who had affairs with other women and drank away his paycheck. Her mother was severely depressed (Gee, I wonder why!) and they had to literally depend on charity just to eat.

When I was a kid, our neighbor lady who had 4 kids needed a hysterectomy to save her life (cancer) and the priest from our church came to the hospital to talk to her doctor without telling her. He wanted to make sure she wasn’t just using a hysterectomy as an excuse not to have more children!!!

You’re much better at expressing the true sentiment here, which is, taking away a woman’s right to determine what happens to her body is never okay. Government does not belong between a woman and her doctor, period. I feel like a broken record when I say, “If you are against abortion then don’t have one. But don’t force your religion onto others!”

Diamond_Dog

(40,575 posts)
4. My feeling is that
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 03:55 PM
Sep 2023

This is all well and good, but no woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth if she does not want to, full stop. I’ve been through childbirth 3 times. It ain’t a walk in the park.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
6. I'm one of the "old" women around here.
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 04:21 PM
Sep 2023

My childrearing days are long gone. While all these sound well and good, count me as not surprised they've been offered in legislation now.

I also doubt few, if any of these, will be enacted. Getting private employers on board is the best thing. But that's definitely not going to go anywhere. It could actually make work manageable while pregnant. That can't be had. Women are to be punished, don't ya know.

And forcing any woman to carry a child, with all the dangers of doing so entails and deliver that child, with even more dangers inherent, is just flat out slavery. There is no other word for it.

Notice not one thing anywhere was specifically for the mother (instead of mother AND child). There were lots of things I could have used, or used help with, that really had nothing to do with my daughter, when I was pregnant and in the following weeks after I got home from the hospital. Nothing about, for example, postpartum depression and help with child, house, or work environment.

Diamond_Dog

(40,575 posts)
12. "Don't be upset, little pregnant lady.
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 07:42 PM
Sep 2023

*patting woman on head*

“We’ll elevate your worth to 3/5 of a white Christian male, and throw in a coupon for a pack of free diapers!”

“Sorry there is no hospital with a maternity department within 50 miles of you! Gosh, you expect the world handed to you?”

qwlauren35

(6,309 posts)
7. The original article
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 04:23 PM
Sep 2023

was put together by two people, one pro-choice and one pro-life, who were trying to figure out what they could agree on.

I am pro-abortion and this "pro-family" thing is very hard for me to deal with, but the fact is that we've had single mothers for ages, and with this legislation, they are finally getting some help. And we have married couples who have planned families who are still struggling.

One of the things that I know about myself is that as someone who is pro-abortion, I do not understand single mothers. I am trying to use this as an opportunity to see their perspective. In the black community, a lot of women are against abortion, and become single mothers. And it carries on for generations. These women have it hard, and part of why they have it hard is because they think abortion is wrong.

We have a population of women in our country who are pro-life, and would not get an abortion even if it was legal, even if it means single parenthood. We also have a populations of women in our country who are pro-choice, but would not get an abortion even if it was legal, even if it means single parenthood. Abortion is okay for other people, but not for them.

We may not be able to change the situation with abortion at the federal level. I think there are a lot of people fighting it at the state level, and winning. But in some of the red states, numerous women, even those with unplanned pregnancies, think abortion is wrong.

There was a time when I wanted to punish them for their belief. It's your bed, you lie in it. If you choose not to have an abortion, suffer the consequences.


Today, I am very glad that there are legislators fighting for these women. It is opening my eyes. Abortion is no longer legal in some states. That has consequences for a lot of women and we need to deal with those consequences and support those women. Fighting for changes to abortion laws does not help those women at all.

Diamond_Dog

(40,575 posts)
9. I do understand your point
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 06:47 PM
Sep 2023

And I suppose these initiatives might be a set of baby steps as far as being helpful. IF they are ever implemented.

But it still sounds to me like they are saying, “We’re going to take away your bodily autonomy, because our religious beliefs trump your beliefs, and we’ll toss you a few crumbs in return to make you feel better about it”.

Taking away one’s bodily autonomy is a BFD! I’m sorry, hard stop NO.

Solly Mack

(96,942 posts)
10. It doesn't matter to me how great any program is in helping to keep
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 07:00 PM
Sep 2023

families/children healthy, properly fed, housed, and educated - a woman's right to control her own reproductive health should never be denied.

All the other programs are in no way compensation for taking away a woman's autonomy.

You can't take away a right and then claim but this - whatever this is - makes up for it.

Because it doesn't.

They're taking away a woman's inalienable right to own her own body.

Nothing makes up for that.

Nothing.





Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
16. That's a bit harder.
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 07:47 PM
Sep 2023

They’d have to pass a constitutional amendment which would have no chance in hell of happening. You need like 3/4 of the states to pass something like that.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
22. I really am sorry, but this is how much Republicans care about children & moms....
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 03:52 PM
Sep 2023
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218266404

5 million US kids fell back into poverty in 2022... This was a choice by republicans

Vice President Kamala Harris @VP 36m
Our expanded Child Tax Credit helped cut child poverty by nearly half, but Congressional Republicans allowed it to expire.

@POTUS and I will continue fighting for America's families, because every child deserves the opportunity to thrive.


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