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In It to Win It

(12,651 posts)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:52 PM Sep 2023

Mitt Romney will not seek reelection in 2024

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/09/13/congress/romney-senate-retire-gop-reelection-utah-00115644

Sen. Mitt Romney plans to retire at the end of his term next year rather than run for reelection, capping a lengthy career in Republican politics.

The Utah senator is one of the most distinguished figures in the GOP — serving as a moderate Massachusetts governor, winning the party’s presidential nomination in 2012 and then serving in the Senate since 2019 as a check on Trumpism.

“I have spent my last 25 years in public service of one kind or another. At the end of another term, I’d be in my mid-eighties. Frankly, it’s time for a new generation of leaders. They’re the ones that need to make the decisions that will shape the world they will be living in,” Romney said in a statement.

The 76-year-old senator’s reelection deliberations have largely centered on whether he would be able to continue tackling big issues over another six-year term. But he said Wednesday he didn’t believe either President Joe Biden or former President Donald Trump were willing to confront big challenges like climate change and the debt.
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Mitt Romney will not seek reelection in 2024 (Original Post) In It to Win It Sep 2023 OP
Polite way of saying these Jerkoff's have destroyed my party and I'm out. NoMoreRepugs Sep 2023 #1
Evan McMullin in the wings? Sneederbunk Sep 2023 #2
Keep dreaming FreeState Sep 2023 #19
True, but we need to have a candidate in that race anyway Bucky Sep 2023 #24
Yep - and it will help with name recognition in the future FreeState Sep 2023 #25
yes................. The GOP has a glaring Mormon problem Celerity Sep 2023 #45
Thanks for the data FreeState Sep 2023 #46
yw FreeState Celerity Sep 2023 #47
Evan McMullin is a Mormon. Celerity Sep 2023 #36
That doesn't matter - they won't support a democrat FreeState Sep 2023 #41
Evan McMullin is not a Democrat, he was a lifelong Rethug until Trump, then he went Celerity Sep 2023 #42
If they aren't GOP they won't support them FreeState Sep 2023 #43
fair enough Celerity Sep 2023 #44
More like 30 Polybius Sep 2023 #37
And that will be a loss. Freethinker65 Sep 2023 #3
I think even a moderate Democrat is still a longshot in Utah In It to Win It Sep 2023 #6
Look at it like this: Polybius Sep 2023 #38
Could he be thinking MOMFUDSKI Sep 2023 #4
That was my take Retrograde Sep 2023 #15
Too old, I would think. BlueCheeseAgain Sep 2023 #18
He's 76 Polybius Sep 2023 #39
This may be the reason rpannier Sep 2023 #27
Probably concerned he couldn't win the primary ITAL Sep 2023 #5
That was my thought. John1956PA Sep 2023 #9
There goes a half-vote for some future needed impeachment. UTUSN Sep 2023 #7
I don't see a Dem winning in UT. Remember when they were "too nice" to vote for Trump & then did? themaguffin Sep 2023 #8
As usual, he wants to avoid scrutiny JHB Sep 2023 #10
You mean 25 years is not enough time for scrutiny? former9thward Sep 2023 #16
You never know. This time around, there are Republicans who WANT to take him down JHB Sep 2023 #21
Yes, but sometimes things just are what they are. former9thward Sep 2023 #22
That's valid too, but anyone with Romney's ambitions is going to draw scrutiny and speculation... JHB Sep 2023 #23
I think it's different rpannier Sep 2023 #30
I'll bet Evan McMullin will be in the running for this seat. RicROC Sep 2023 #11
Romney is singing that old CSN song DFW Sep 2023 #12
He's releasing a book in October rpannier Sep 2023 #28
A good guess DFW Sep 2023 #33
Neither President Biden nor Trump? Really? Caliman73 Sep 2023 #13
What Republican anywhere has a serious solution Johonny Sep 2023 #14
The baby boomer generation has f----d things up enough, it is time doc03 Sep 2023 #17
He speaks like a thoughtful human being, which I senseandsensibility Sep 2023 #20
Waiting on his book rpannier Sep 2023 #29
I don't agree with him most of the time, but I respect him. Xolodno Sep 2023 #26
He's 76 and Tickle Sep 2023 #31
His wife said STOP IT. betsuni Sep 2023 #32
I really don't care. Emile Sep 2023 #34
Good riddance to him and don't let the hit his ass on the way out!! nt Raine Sep 2023 #35
OK, so which Republican will replace him? Polybius Sep 2023 #40

FreeState

(10,702 posts)
25. Yep - and it will help with name recognition in the future
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 08:05 PM
Sep 2023

Utah could turn liberal eventually. I’ve had a few siblings leave the church and it went like this:

1) steps away from the church; politically does not change

About two- three years pass and

2) they come out as not republican and vote democratic.


Outside of Utah the church is collapsing at a very fast rate (more than 50% have left in most areas). Utah will be next

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
45. yes................. The GOP has a glaring Mormon problem
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 06:15 PM
Sep 2023
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/03/republican-party-mormon-church-decline/

https://archive.ph/EpkAk

Republicans often find themselves on the losing end of demographic shifts as the United States grows more racially diverse, better-educated and less religious. Only one long-term trend — the rapid growth of the reliably conservative Mormon Church — has consistently provided the GOP with good news. But that consolation might be slipping away. Mormonism is in decline, and Democrats are gaining traction with younger church members. There are no easy solutions for the church or the GOP.

The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints has long been laser-focused on growth. Mormons often spend two to three years of their young adulthood as full-time missionaries in an effort to convert people across the nation and globe. And when missionaries come home, LDS culture encourages them to settle down quickly and raise large families. Despite these efforts, the American Mormon Church is shrinking.



According to the Cooperative Elections Study — a long-running survey with enough respondents to reliably track Mormon affiliation — 1.8 percent of American adults identified as Mormon in 2007. In 15 years, that total dropped to 1.2 percent. In raw terms, that’s a net loss of roughly 1 million adult members. The LDS Church maintains a more detailed count, but it might overestimate its strength. Its records include children and “inactive” members, some of whom are former Mormons who skipped the bureaucratic chore of removing their names from the church’s rolls. The church’s count shows positive — but rapidly decelerating — growth.



The LDS Church isn’t unique in its struggles. Americans increasingly distrust organized religion — and organizations of all kinds, for that matter. That feeling of alienation is driving Americans away from other Christian sects as well.



snip

FreeState

(10,702 posts)
46. Thanks for the data
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 06:26 PM
Sep 2023

It's fascinating to me. I was raised LDS and served a mission. Three out of eight kids have now left. I have a coworker who has seen 8 of 11 leave. It could not happen soon enough - it's so nice to have some of my siblings back (I left in the 90s).

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
36. Evan McMullin is a Mormon.
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 07:12 AM
Sep 2023
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_McMullin

snip

After graduating in 1994 from Auburn Senior High School, McMullin spent two years in Brazil as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). Upon returning, he spent a summer working on an Alaskan fishing vessel.

In 1997, McMullin began attending Brigham Young University (BYU); every year he was in college he did a summer internship with the CIA.

FreeState

(10,702 posts)
41. That doesn't matter - they won't support a democrat
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 03:17 PM
Sep 2023

Regardless of what faith she or he professes.

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
42. Evan McMullin is not a Democrat, he was a lifelong Rethug until Trump, then he went
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 05:13 PM
Sep 2023

independent.

The Democratic Party endorsed him for Senate in 2022, but that was just to try and get rid of the POS Mike Lee.

McMullin is a Never Trumper, but he would never fit in the Dem party with of his RW views. for instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_McMullin#Political_positions

McMullin supports a reduction in the corporate income tax and individual income tax, as well as the estate tax.

McMullin favors cuts to entitlement programs such as Social Security, and has proposed means-testing the program and raising the retirement age.

McMullin supported overturning Roe v. Wade in 2016. After the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe in the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, McMullin issued a statement saying, "I believe the never-ending conflict over abortion laws threatens a public health crisis and further divide the country on an issue where there is common ground." He described himself as "pro-life" and said that he "opposed politicians at the extremes of both parties on the issue, those who would ban all abortions without exceptions and those who oppose all restrictions." McMullin said that states should be largely responsible for setting abortion policy and supported Utah's abortion trigger law as "a good starting place."

During his 2016 presidential campaign, McMullin said that if elected, he would appoint originalist judges to the Supreme Court, "in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas".

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
3. And that will be a loss.
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 02:06 PM
Sep 2023

Democrats could win with a moderate against a conceivably GOP hard right patriarchal asshole, but they will most likely go all in for someone with no statewide chance of being elected.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
38. Look at it like this:
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 02:13 PM
Sep 2023

Utah is far more Red than Ohio. In 2022, Ohio Republicans nominated a far-right MAGA for the Senate with JD Vance, while Democrats nominated an outstanding candidate. End result: Vance still won by 5 or 6 points.

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
15. That was my take
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 03:19 PM
Sep 2023

he's betting that the GOP will be in such disarray by the time of their convention that they'll pick Mitt to be their savior, riding in on his white horse (or his dancing horse - does he still have that one?). Sorry, Mitt - I don't see it happening.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
39. He's 76
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 02:15 PM
Sep 2023

Trump is 77 and Biden is 80. I don't think he's too old, but I also don't think he will ever run again for President.

rpannier

(24,924 posts)
27. This may be the reason
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 05:12 AM
Sep 2023

from Business Insider:
In October, he'll release a book detailing how some of his fellow Republicans feel about Trump.

Can't imagine he'll have too many friends after that

ITAL

(1,323 posts)
5. Probably concerned he couldn't win the primary
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 02:11 PM
Sep 2023

Even though Utah Republicans aren't as Trump loving, the Trumpers in the party do not like Romney at all.

John1956PA

(4,964 posts)
9. That was my thought.
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 02:16 PM
Sep 2023

He would like to see a "Draft Romney" campaign take hold, and he might act quetky to push such a campaign. However, I do not think such a plan would succeed.

themaguffin

(5,221 posts)
8. I don't see a Dem winning in UT. Remember when they were "too nice" to vote for Trump & then did?
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 02:16 PM
Sep 2023

JHB

(38,213 posts)
10. As usual, he wants to avoid scrutiny
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 02:30 PM
Sep 2023

No questions about his age, and he gets to look virtuous by not running in an election in which he's no longer a shoe-in.

And certainly no opportunity for anyone to dredge up his tax returns.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
16. You mean 25 years is not enough time for scrutiny?
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 03:21 PM
Sep 2023

People have had 25 years to dredge up his returns. I doubt another election run is what they needed to accomplish that.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
21. You never know. This time around, there are Republicans who WANT to take him down
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 05:27 PM
Sep 2023

And considering that nobody's really expecting them to show anything illegal (maybe some stuff that should be illegal, but "should" is not "is" ), the main thing would be something that makes him look bad, which in Utah would be shorting his tithe to the LDS church... something that was alleged back in 2012.

Why risk that when he can declare victory and go home?

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
22. Yes, but sometimes things just are what they are.
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 05:36 PM
Sep 2023

He is 76. Maybe he just wants to call it a day and relax. I know I would.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
23. That's valid too, but anyone with Romney's ambitions is going to draw scrutiny and speculation...
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 05:42 PM
Sep 2023

...that there is more than just the stated reason for giving up on those ambitions.

rpannier

(24,924 posts)
30. I think it's different
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 05:15 AM
Sep 2023

from Business Insider: In October, he'll release a book detailing how some of his fellow Republicans feel about Trump.

How do we think his fellow Republicans will react to that?

DFW

(60,186 posts)
12. Romney is singing that old CSN song
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 02:59 PM
Sep 2023

"It's getting to the point where I'm no fun anymore."

The Republican Party has gone bat shit crazy off the edge of the earth, and he doesn't feel like following them. Romney was the one who told Raphael Warnock, before his election face-off against Herschel Walker last year, that Warnock was engaged in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent. How many sitting Republican Senators would be that candid with a Democratic colleague running for re-election against another Republican?

Unfortunately, Utah will elect a Republican to the Senate next year, barring divine intervention, and Romney's replacement will be worse--probably FAR worse.

rpannier

(24,924 posts)
28. He's releasing a book in October
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 05:13 AM
Sep 2023

Part of it is devoted to what his Republican colleagues really think of Trump

I'm guessing this is why he's calling it quits

DFW

(60,186 posts)
33. A good guess
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 05:49 AM
Sep 2023

If he is publishing what his Senate Republican colleagues really think of Trump, clandestine contributions to his primary opponent would reach 8 figures within a week of the publishing date.

He would be wise to have a good legal team, as well as a twenty-man team of personal security staff. Don't take any small private jets anywhere, either.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
13. Neither President Biden nor Trump? Really?
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 03:11 PM
Sep 2023

Biden actually TRIED to address climate change in his Build Back Better plan that was dead on arrival in Congress because of REPUBLICAN bullshit. He still got through some decent legislation.

This "don't think either..." is bullshit. Put something effective on the table and Democrats will jump on it.

Your party, of which you are now a "moderate" but which you were actually part of pushing to the right, is a clown show

doc03

(39,086 posts)
17. The baby boomer generation has f----d things up enough, it is time
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 04:08 PM
Sep 2023

we move on. He is not crazy enough to be re-elected by the MAGAloons anyway.

senseandsensibility

(24,973 posts)
20. He speaks like a thoughtful human being, which I
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 05:18 PM
Sep 2023

appreciate. I believe his views are genuine, especially his religious views. I don't agree with him on much, but I do admire those qualities.

rpannier

(24,924 posts)
29. Waiting on his book
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 05:14 AM
Sep 2023

Per business Insider: In October, he'll release a book detailing how some of his fellow Republicans feel about Trump.

Xolodno

(7,350 posts)
26. I don't agree with him most of the time, but I respect him.
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 08:28 PM
Sep 2023

He usually was willing to take political bullet to do the right thing. Now most Republicans in Senate/HOR are either nuts or have a long yellow streak on the back of their spine.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
40. OK, so which Republican will replace him?
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 02:18 PM
Sep 2023

I guess the best we can hope for is someone similar. But who will run?

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