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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 09:24 PM Sep 2023

Comments from Rolling Stones founder about Blacks/women musicians not articulating at level of white

White males



https://apnews.com/article/jann-wenner-rolling-stone-rock-hall-4052a04c35ce13cc2b17b5455ebe6883

Rolling Stone co-founder Jann Wenner removed from Rock Hall leadership after controversial


NEW YORK (AP) — Jann Wenner, who co-founded Rolling Stone magazine and also was a co-founder of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, has been removed from the hall’s board of directors after making comments that were seen as disparaging toward Black and female musicians.



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Asked why he didn’t interview women or Black musicians, Wenner responded: “It’s not that they’re inarticulate, although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janis Joplin. Please, be my guest. You know, Joni (Mitchell) was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test,” he told the Times.

“Of Black artists — you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level,” Wenner said.

Wenner co-founded Rolling Stone in 1967 and served as its editor or editorial director until 2019. He also co-founded the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which was launched in 1987.

In the interview, Wenner seemed to acknowledge he would face a backlash. “Just for public relations sake, maybe I should have gone and found one Black and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to avert this kind of criticism.”

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Comments from Rolling Stones founder about Blacks/women musicians not articulating at level of white (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2023 OP
it's mind-boggling people still think like that Skittles Sep 2023 #1
It gets worse Demovictory9 Sep 2023 #9
God, what a racist, sexist jerk. After all these years he... brush Sep 2023 #2
So now others are joining us Rush fans in our belief that he's an a*****e? ms liberty Sep 2023 #3
Not a huge Rush fan, but always knew the guy was a arrogant asshole. emulatorloo Sep 2023 #4
Who is Rush? Only one I know is Limbaugh. nd leftyladyfrommo Sep 2023 #25
He could have studied the Rock and Roll HOF IzzaNuDay Sep 2023 #5
What a relief! The typo in the headline made it look like it was quoting a member of the Stones. Mister Ed Sep 2023 #6
Yah Effete Snob Sep 2023 #7
FIX YOUR HEADLINE! THE ROLLING STONES DIDN'T SAY THIS SHIT!!! winstars Sep 2023 #22
He DID run an interview with Clapton calling Hendrix racial slurs back in the 60s AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #8
Henrix, to me hands down THE best rock & roll guitarist EVER Skittles Sep 2023 #18
According to Clapton, Hendrix got attention AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #19
OK, I lived in England at that time Skittles Sep 2023 #20
Clapton. Straw Man Sep 2023 #24
And this from a guy who was a closeted gay man until 1995. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #10
His brain is probably Swiss cheese TexasBushwhacker Sep 2023 #11
N.J. Jann Wenner event canceled after Rolling Stone founder said Black and female artists not 'artic Demovictory9 Sep 2023 #12
And he just got himself kicked off the board of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame blogslug Sep 2023 #13
LOL sweet! n/t leftstreet Sep 2023 #16
Warren Zevon is laughing from beyond... nt AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #21
What the hell is wrong with old rich white guys? paleotn Sep 2023 #14
A rich white guy, with brain damage from heavy drug use, who has some fucked-up ideas? LudwigPastorius Sep 2023 #15
I'd love to hear Grace Slick's response to this. Johonny Sep 2023 #17
Me too.. here are some great comments following the nyt interview Demovictory9 Sep 2023 #23

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
9. It gets worse
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 10:29 PM
Sep 2023

Asked how he chose the musicians to feature, Wenner replied: “When I was referring to the zeitgeist, I was referring to Black performers, not to the female performers, OK? Just to get that accurate. The selection was not a deliberate selection. It was kind of intuitive over the years; it just fell together that way. The people had to meet a couple criteria, but it was just kind of my personal interest and love of them. Insofar as the women, just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level,” he said.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
2. God, what a racist, sexist jerk. After all these years he...
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 09:45 PM
Sep 2023

Last edited Sat Sep 16, 2023, 10:18 PM - Edit history (1)

finally manages to "articulate" why the glaring lack of copy/content of women and Black artists.

A pathetic asshole.

I would add the word "magazine" to the title of the OP as I thought it was about the group, not the magazins and I was prepared to be disappoint as I'm a Stones fan.

IzzaNuDay

(1,319 posts)
5. He could have studied the Rock and Roll HOF
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 09:52 PM
Sep 2023

that is not all white males who made the HOF

he won’t have to worry about me reading his book, or even borrowing it from the library.

Time for someone to write the book about Hidden Masters in Rock and Roll!

Mister Ed

(6,972 posts)
6. What a relief! The typo in the headline made it look like it was quoting a member of the Stones.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 09:55 PM
Sep 2023

Thank heaven it wasn't Jagger, Richards, or Wyman. Just that weenie Wenner, co-founder of Rolling Stone magazine. He's always been a weenie.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
7. Yah
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 09:57 PM
Sep 2023

I thought “what an odd reference” for a sec.

Like “Co-founder of Simon and Garfunkel”.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
8. He DID run an interview with Clapton calling Hendrix racial slurs back in the 60s
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 10:04 PM
Sep 2023

So this isn't new behavior...

Skittles

(172,591 posts)
18. Henrix, to me hands down THE best rock & roll guitarist EVER
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 12:47 AM
Sep 2023

was HE not "articulate enough" either - good LAWD

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
19. According to Clapton, Hendrix got attention
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 01:14 AM
Sep 2023

Because British girls heard that he was well sndowed.

Skittles

(172,591 posts)
20. OK, I lived in England at that time
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 01:31 AM
Sep 2023

and I can tell you we were MESMERIZED with Hendrix's ability on the guitar! Hendrix and the moon landing made me SOOOOO PROUD to be American!

and FUCK CLAPTON too, seems like he has LONG been an asshole

Straw Man

(6,955 posts)
24. Clapton.
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 05:31 AM
Sep 2023
and FUCK CLAPTON too, seems like he has LONG been an asshole

I met him once, in the '90s. Yes, he is an asshole.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,267 posts)
11. His brain is probably Swiss cheese
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 10:39 PM
Sep 2023

The Rolling Stone offices were pretty much powered by cocaine for decades.

blogslug

(39,201 posts)
13. And he just got himself kicked off the board of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 10:55 PM
Sep 2023
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/jann-wenner-removed-from-rock-hall-of-fame-comments-black-female-musicians-1235725503/

A day after the publication of a New York Times interview in which Rolling Stone magazine founder Jann Wenner said that Black and female musicians “didn’t articulate at the level” of the white musicians featured in his new book of interviews, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced that he has been removed from its board of directors.

“Jann Wenner has been removed from the Board of Directors of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation,” a terse statement from a rep reads in full; contacted by Variety, a rep for the Hall had no further comment...


He's trying to attempt apologies now.

paleotn

(22,583 posts)
14. What the hell is wrong with old rich white guys?
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 10:57 PM
Sep 2023

Geez, dude, are you stupid? Vile and stupid.

LudwigPastorius

(14,931 posts)
15. A rich white guy, with brain damage from heavy drug use, who has some fucked-up ideas?
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 11:54 PM
Sep 2023

Sounds like Wenner needs to join the RFK, Jr. campaign!

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
23. Me too.. here are some great comments following the nyt interview
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 05:27 AM
Sep 2023

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/arts/jann-wenner-the-masters-interview.html#commentsContainer

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NYC
Sept. 16
Jan is wearing a 20K sold 18k gold Rolex : rock and roll made him tons of money and yet he never produced one note of it : sad because some of the pioneers of it died penny less

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Tricia Geraghty commented September 16
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Tricia Geraghty
Milwaukee
Sept. 16
Deeply racist and sexist. His words about Black and female artists are truly painful in that they reflect a history and system that so undervalues the contributions of women and people of color. But that he then obliviously congratulates himself and his friends for their contributions to social change - now that’s just cringe-worthy. What an embarrassment this guy is!

I am curious though - will these friends comment on their inclusion in a book that’s now been explicit that its premise is that women and Black artists don’t have equal intellectual and musical capacity? Isn’t their participation a sort of endorsement that they also believe they are in fact “the masters”? Bono, Bruce?

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I am curious though - will these friends comment on their inclusion in a book that’s now been explicit that its premise is that women and Black artists don’t have equal intellectual and musical capacity? Isn’t their participation a sort of endorsement that they also believe they are in fact “the masters”? Bono, Bruce?

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Farmbuoy commented September 16
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Farmbuoy
Staunton, Virginia
Sept. 16
Well this interview proves a coupla things. 1) Talent and intellect are not contagious, and 2) The Generation that promoted Peace, Clean Water and Air, Women's Rights and Universal Suffrage, whose mantra was " Don't trust anybody over 30!" also produced it's proportional share of ambitious dunderheads. Rock n Roll wouldn't exist without Robert Johnson, all the Blues Masters, Little Richard and Chuck Berry. Go ahead and count the white guys all you want. And, Please guys, don't throw all of the Baby Boomers out with the bathwater. The Chamber of Commerce types and frat boys always outnumbered the Freaks.

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Lauren commented September 16
Lauren
Lauren
St. Petersburg FL
Sept. 16
I bet he’s wishing he could have edited THIS interview.
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