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senseandsensibility

(25,527 posts)
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 06:58 PM Sep 2023

Whoa. Will Oliver Darcy have a job on CNN tomorrow?

I just saw him on Jim Acosta's show on CNN critiquing Kristen Welker's interview with cheato. He was scathing. I'm not talking about mildly critical. He acknowledged that keeping cheato from lying is very difficult, but said that she should have been fact checking him in REAL TIME. He said that a producer could be sitting there to help with that if necessary. But, basically, he made the point that fact checking after the interview is not sufficient. And he said that letting these lies get out is dangerous.

He also said that all journalists know that he has a proven track record of lying, so that treating him like a normal politician is very dangerous for our democracy. He wondered why the media is still not able to interview this person in an effective way.

Oh, and after that he said Drew Barrymore has reversed her decision to cross the picket line by resuming production her show due to public pressure.
All in all, it was a refreshing 10 minutes or so on CNN.

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Whoa. Will Oliver Darcy have a job on CNN tomorrow? (Original Post) senseandsensibility Sep 2023 OP
Darcy wrote a scathing piece about CNN and the dump town hall Doc Sportello Sep 2023 #1
My comment was a little tongue in cheek senseandsensibility Sep 2023 #4
Brian Stelter DJ Porkchop Sep 2023 #12
Lol senseandsensibility Sep 2023 #14
Man, that brings back memories. yardwork Sep 2023 #20
... orangecrush Sep 2023 #23
It's highly unusual these days for a man in his 30's to have a 1970's bald guy look Polybius Sep 2023 #24
Sorry I missed that Doc Sportello Sep 2023 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author ProfessorPlum Sep 2023 #32
I did not see it, but based on what you summarize, I'd agree with him completely. hlthe2b Sep 2023 #2
It was refreshing senseandsensibility Sep 2023 #6
ME TOO!!!! I'm glad you finally said it. Nailed it! BComplex Sep 2023 #25
Darcy is MSNBC's competition. I'd have been amazed if he'd given her an over-the-top endorsement. ificandream Sep 2023 #3
You would think the competition would feel to criticize senseandsensibility Sep 2023 #5
Yes, he was ... ificandream Sep 2023 #7
++++ emulatorloo Sep 2023 #11
Here's a different take Doc Sportello Sep 2023 #28
Yeah, she got several incriminating statements out him. Plenty of video for Smith to use in court. emulatorloo Sep 2023 #10
Yes, I saw both MTP interview and Inside with Jen Psaki... State the Obvious Sep 2023 #17
If I had to interview Trump liberalmediaaddict Sep 2023 #8
OTOH: 'He just said it on air': Weissmann reacts to Trump's TV confession - Inside w/Jen Psaki emulatorloo Sep 2023 #9
WHEN TRUMP GETS FACT CHECKED Jimvanhise Sep 2023 #13
Really? senseandsensibility Sep 2023 #15
Hard to accept as valid, criticism from a network that lives and breathes polling Trump voters Raven123 Sep 2023 #16
If I was to interview a loser with 91 counts in both state and federal jurisdictions housecat Sep 2023 #18
Well, good or bad, Welker did get Trump to admit on video that PatrickforB Sep 2023 #19
Exactly. IMO she did a fine job getting confessions out of him. The rest is just chatter. housecat Sep 2023 #21
Others disagree Doc Sportello Sep 2023 #29
Well, I'm not disagreeing. Everything this Ornstein said is true. PatrickforB Sep 2023 #30
Very well said n/t Doc Sportello Sep 2023 #31
It Was Beautiful DET Sep 2023 #22
It was a pre-recorded interview, so they chose to air those lies without correction. Nevilledog Sep 2023 #26

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
1. Darcy wrote a scathing piece about CNN and the dump town hall
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:01 PM
Sep 2023

While Licht was there. So criticizing Welker won't cost him his job and not sure why you would think that. His new bosses are journalistic veterans.

senseandsensibility

(25,527 posts)
4. My comment was a little tongue in cheek
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:05 PM
Sep 2023

He holds the position that Brian Seltzer (not sure I have that name correct) had before he was let go by Licht, I believe. I certainly don't want him to lose his job.

Polybius

(22,120 posts)
24. It's highly unusual these days for a man in his 30's to have a 1970's bald guy look
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 09:53 PM
Sep 2023

These buzzing super short or shaving entirely is the norm.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
27. Sorry I missed that
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 11:07 PM
Sep 2023

Yes it was Stelter. I never thought you wanted him to lose his job. I just wondered why you thought he might, but you were being kind of facetious.

Response to Doc Sportello (Reply #1)

hlthe2b

(114,692 posts)
2. I did not see it, but based on what you summarize, I'd agree with him completely.
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:01 PM
Sep 2023

I also think it is about time the media critique each other when the stakes are this high.

senseandsensibility

(25,527 posts)
6. It was refreshing
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:10 PM
Sep 2023

I'm tired of the way even competing beltway journalists stick together when it comes to dealing with tfg.

BComplex

(9,961 posts)
25. ME TOO!!!! I'm glad you finally said it. Nailed it!
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 10:02 PM
Sep 2023

They are all buddies, so nobody calls out the other journalists who are destroying our country.

Which is exactly what they are doing!!!

ificandream

(11,851 posts)
3. Darcy is MSNBC's competition. I'd have been amazed if he'd given her an over-the-top endorsement.
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:04 PM
Sep 2023

It's easy to criticize when you're not doing it. Did she get him to make some newsworthy statements? She did. She certainly did much better than the CNN town hall.

senseandsensibility

(25,527 posts)
5. You would think the competition would feel to criticize
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:08 PM
Sep 2023

but I have seen almost no criticism from any journalists, whether they are on MSNBC or not. They should be free to do so, but I have not seen it. He called her out by name and it was refreshing. You have a point about the CNN lovehall, as I like to call it, but from what I remember Darcy was highly critical of that too.

ificandream

(11,851 posts)
7. Yes, he was ...
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:24 PM
Sep 2023

... but it appears from the clips I've seen that Welker did not let him walk all over her.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
10. Yeah, she got several incriminating statements out him. Plenty of video for Smith to use in court.
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:32 PM
Sep 2023

I posted this below but good comments here:

'He just said it on air': Weissmann reacts to Trump's TV confession - Inside w/Jen Psaki
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017863385

State the Obvious

(856 posts)
17. Yes, I saw both MTP interview and Inside with Jen Psaki...
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:34 PM
Sep 2023

..As Neal Katyal implied.....Welker was outstanding.. See my Comment #11 at this link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017863385

(Take the time to see both interviews before you make judgment.)

liberalmediaaddict

(998 posts)
8. If I had to interview Trump
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:25 PM
Sep 2023

Whenever he lied I'd chime in with, "that's not true." So I'd basically be sayiing that after every sentence that comes out of his mouth.

I'd then repeatedly remind the audience that after the interview a list of fact checks will appear on the screen.

Because if you catch Trump in a lie and call him out on it he'll just double down wifh even more lies.

But letting him spew BS uninterrupted with zero pushback is a disservice to viewers.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
9. OTOH: 'He just said it on air': Weissmann reacts to Trump's TV confession - Inside w/Jen Psaki
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 07:27 PM
Sep 2023
'He just said it on air': Weissmann reacts to Trump's TV confession - Inside w/Jen Psaki

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017863385

The clip is worth watching if you have some time.

I feel like Weissmann and Neal Katyal might be a little more on the ball than Mr. Darcy, but I didn’t see Darcy so I can’t say for certain.

Jimvanhise

(604 posts)
13. WHEN TRUMP GETS FACT CHECKED
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:20 PM
Sep 2023

Awhile back Trump was interviewed by 60 Minutes and when the interviewer started fact checking him to his face he walked off the set.

senseandsensibility

(25,527 posts)
15. Really?
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:23 PM
Sep 2023

Oh well, if I was the interviewer, I'd tell him not to let the door hit him on the way out.
















Raven123

(7,898 posts)
16. Hard to accept as valid, criticism from a network that lives and breathes polling Trump voters
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:31 PM
Sep 2023

Not a Welker fan. Didn’t see the interview, but I have not noted CNN to be much better at interviewing politicians. The best interviewer used to work for Axios. I believe it was Jonathan Swan. His questions were pointed and he was always prepared.

housecat

(3,138 posts)
18. If I was to interview a loser with 91 counts in both state and federal jurisdictions
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:43 PM
Sep 2023

I would be after confessions. Let him lie and babble uninterrupted if I could have a confession or two on tape. Who would a fact check be for anyway? Certainly tfg doesn't give a shit. Nor do his impaired cultists. Dems don't need to be told, because we already know the lies. What we might not know yet are some juicy details to be used in court. Babble on.

PatrickforB

(15,525 posts)
19. Well, good or bad, Welker did get Trump to admit on video that
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:46 PM
Sep 2023

contesting the election was his idea, Jan 6 was his idea.

So that negates his 'my lawyers and others around me advised me...' defense.

The interview wasn't that much of a disaster.

housecat

(3,138 posts)
21. Exactly. IMO she did a fine job getting confessions out of him. The rest is just chatter.
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:49 PM
Sep 2023

PatrickforB

(15,525 posts)
30. Well, I'm not disagreeing. Everything this Ornstein said is true.
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 12:11 AM
Sep 2023

Interviewing Trumpy was a mistake. Calling him 'Mr. President' was a mistake. The whole things was a bad choice because publicly held corporations own our media, and the fiduciary responsibility of their executives is ONLY to generate profits for shareholders and to hell with everything else. It is an evil system, Doc. It really is. The people who conceived of this clearly are out for ratings, because ratings = higher prices for ads and that = PROFITS.

I get that. I was merely pointing out that Trump's own utter stupidity, and his propensity to let his tongue lead a life of its own, may have presented prosecutors with a proverbial 'smoking gun.' He did admit it was 'his idea.' We can both fondly hope that this will go against him at his upcoming trials, and perhaps result in him being put behind bars where he belongs.

Not to be Pollyanna here, but if this is the case then we have made lemonade out of lemons in spite of our profit-over-truth corporate owned media.

DET

(2,600 posts)
22. It Was Beautiful
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 08:51 PM
Sep 2023

I did a double take when I heard Darcy, who I don’t recall having seen before. His criticism was extremely harsh but clearly heartfelt. Whatever you may think of Welker and the interview, it was refreshing to see a commentator speak quite so boldly and without fear.

Nevilledog

(55,137 posts)
26. It was a pre-recorded interview, so they chose to air those lies without correction.
Sun Sep 17, 2023, 10:04 PM
Sep 2023

They published an article on their website calling out the lies. Totally inadequate

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