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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmerica passed the EV 'tipping point' -- but many buyers still want gas
Once EVs cross 5 percent of new sales, they generally take over. U.S. hesitation could hinder that.There is a theoretical, magic tipping point for adoption of electric vehicles. Once somewhere between 5 and 10 percent of new car sales are all-electric, some researchers say, huge numbers of drivers will follow. They predict then electric cars sales will soar to 25 percent, 50 percent, and eventually to close to 80 percent of new sales. Early adopters who love shiny new technologies will be replaced by mainstream consumers just looking for a good deal.
Last year, the United States finally passed that elusive mark 5 percent of all new cars sold in the fourth quarter were fully electric. And earlier this year, all-electric vehicles made up about 7 percent of new car sales.
But even as the nations EV market appears to be teetering on the edge of an electric takeover, a hesitant American public and a still-subpar charging infrastructure could still hold the country back. A Washington Post-University of Maryland poll shows the current limits of U.S. enthusiasm for the new vehicles, with nearly half of adults (46 percent) saying they prefer to own a gas-powered car or truck. That compares to 19 percent who want a full-electric vehicle, 13 percent who want a plug-in hybrid and 22 percent who want a traditional hybrid vehicle.
Most technologies follow what is known as an S-curve for adoption: microwaves, smartphones, even gas-powered cars. First, the new technology reaches only a small segment of the population new adopters and tech geeks. Then, engineers fix bugs, society builds infrastructure for the new technology, and suddenly adoption skyrockets. Usage can rapidly climb from just 5 to 10 percent of the population to up to 80 percent, where it often plateaus.
This has already happened in some countries with EVs. In Norway, for example, fully electric vehicles made up only about 5 percent of sales in 2013. By 2018, they had climbed to 30 percent. Today, more than 80 percent of cars sold in Norway are fully electric.
https://wapo.st/3RqUO9D
elleng
(131,177 posts)I guess it can be said I 'want' gas.
I'll keep my 'gas-powered' as it's only 3 years old.
brooklynite
(94,786 posts)There aren't charging points in NYC and along all the highways I drive so that limits me to gas.
elleng
(131,177 posts)Enough charging points where I live in southern MD, and I don't drive much, and still 'want' gas.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,680 posts)brooklynite
(94,786 posts)NYC townhouses don't have private garages, and there is only a small pilot program of street-based chargers.
FreeState
(10,584 posts)brooklynite
(94,786 posts)There also aren't any where my mother lives, where my brother lives, where my sister lives...
FreeState
(10,584 posts)From the very first paragraph on that page:
Electric Vehicle Station Locator
The U.S. Department of Energys (DOE) Alternative Fuels Data Center (AFDC) provides up-to-date information on alternative fueling station locations. The AFDCs interactive Alternative Fueling Station Locator (below) displays public charging stations, or electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE), installed throughout New York State. Selecting an individual station displays the name of the charging host, address, and contact information. Most of the stations also include charging rate information (AC Level 1, AC Level 2, or DC Fast Charge), number of charging ports, and hours of accessibility. Private and planned stations can be displayed by selecting "more search options."
LymphocyteLover
(5,660 posts)You can drive cross country in a Tesla.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,680 posts)Or if gas went up to $10 gallon?
I generally keep my cars for 10+ years/150k+ miles, so I get that for some, the change to EVs will come slowly due to lack of pressing need for a replacement vehicle.
If I had to replace my 10 year old Prius today, it would probably be with a plug in hybrid, but Im hoping I can squeeze another couple of years out of it, by which time advances in EV technology and expansion of charging grids (happening quickly here in BC) will give me even more options.
RobinA
(9,898 posts)I'd get a gas car. If gas went up to $10 I'd get a Prius or equivalent. The charging situation is a long way from being what I would consider workable.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,680 posts)On the West coast, especially in the cities, charging stations are everywhere.
In BC, chargers are common inmost large shopping Center parking lots, and several gas station chains are adding chargers to every station, so, if you can find a gas station, you can find a charger.
FlyingPiggy
(3,384 posts)Is functional for me. Im so glad bc fas is creeping to $5 a gallon now. Im enjoying my Tesla.
brooklynite
(94,786 posts)My second car lasted 17 years (with only 55,000 miles).
My third car is 3 years old and will stay as long as practical.
nb: one other reason I don't shop for EVs is that they don't make hatchbacks that way.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,680 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,152 posts)At my age I don't know if I will be around.
Elessar Zappa
(14,085 posts)Ill keep my gas vehicle.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)that the gop will keep fighting against buildings charging stations
jimfields33
(16,008 posts)Bettie
(16,132 posts)people will be more willing to buy EVs.
We were looking to get an EV and decided on a Prius prime for this reason.
In several years, when DH no longer has a company vehicle, we'll get an EV, assuming the infrastructure is there.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)I don't see that changing anytime soon, nice as it would be to have an electric equivalent that could tow long distances.
phylny
(8,390 posts)We live in a rural area and with the exception of our home, there are no charging stations anywhere in our normal routes.
I can go about 550-600 miles on a tank.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)I really think Hybrids are the future for at least the next few decades. Here in California EVs are huge but the infrastructure just isn't there yet. Hybrids kind of give the best of both worlds.
JCMach1
(27,578 posts)catbyte
(34,478 posts)any place to charge it and moving isn't feasible now so I'll stick with gas for the time being.
JT45242
(2,304 posts)Grand parental units are a 6.5 hour drive. Older Son is 7 hour drive.
We can make it the entire way with one 15ish minute stop at plaza to pump gas and get a quick bite to eat in the car.
Until an electric car has a range like that on a 15 minute charge along a 400-450 mile path, all electric is not worth it. Would love a hybrid that could do that trip on one tank top off. Which is probably what we will do when we buy the next one.
Looked into hybrid vans when we bought the last vehicle 6 years ago, only the Chrysler even had an option and it was so much more money that we couldn't even consider it.
Have talked about having an all electric for short stuff only, but then the older car would be taking on all the long trips. NOt a recipe for it lasting long enough to pay off the newer one (which is our formula as someone who was a teacher and works for a non-profit -- only one car payment so vehicle #1 MUST last until vehicle #2 is paid off. So, is that a sustainable model for us -- not sure, at least not yet.
With so many families scattered, that range thing of an 7-10 hour drive for family get-togethers is a major consideration for many of us. ..and frankly, EVs do not charge fast enough yet to make that practical.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,927 posts)And battery/electric motor tech lets me tow my boat or other things without having to charge every 50 miles. Hybrid is definitely possible for our next car purchases, but only if the vehicle checks all the other boxes of what we are looking for.
BoomaofBandM
(1,773 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)yorkster
(1,509 posts)Even a used one.
onecaliberal
(32,916 posts)Especially when insurance companies total cars that need more than ten thousand in repairs.
Mosby
(16,381 posts)I looked into buying a used EV or hybrid, there isn't even a reliable way to test the battery pack life expectancy so you could buy an EV for 8K and then need a new 10k battery a year later. No thanks.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-much-do-people-spend-on-gas-each-month
So, if the car lasts 10 years, you're probably spending over $20K on gasoline alone, not to mention thousands more on oil changes, belts, fluids, and other types of maintenance that internal combustion engines need.
For me, a low-maintenance $10K battery that lasts the lifetime of the car is a bargain compared to that.
madville
(7,412 posts)$13k-20k batteries for cars and small SUVs are normal now. The larger vehicles like full size SUVs and truck will have batteries in the $25k-40k range.
Plus the cost of charging, public charging is getting more expensive by the day with $0.40 - $0.50 a kWh becoming common. It's almost equivalent to gas as far as cost. Charging at home for $0.15 a kWh does introduce some cost savings over gas, about 70% cheaper for compact cars for example. Home solar is a different animal, the upfront or financed cost of the solar system has to be factored in over both the life of the car and the solar system, more complicated but certainly not free or even cheap in many cases.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)So, the cost of the battery will not be much of an issue, Besides, many have 8-10 year warranties.
But if, for some reason, the battery does wear out after 10 years, replacement costs will be lower.
madville
(7,412 posts)After the warranty has expired? The value of used electric vehicles will be interesting to watch as they approach the end of their battery warranty, we dont have a good snapshot yet since the vast majority of EVs are still less than 8 years old.
Battery failures can occur at any mileage, I follow several EV groups and there are posts daily across all manufacturers regarding battery failures and the weeks and sometimes months it can take to get it replaced under warranty. Hopefully in a few years solid state technology will increase capacity/range, battery life and reliability over the current offerings.
onecaliberal
(32,916 posts)60 thousand for the car to begin with is more than most people can afford. The majority of Americans do not have $400.00 in savings. The battery doesn't last a lifetime for most people. THAT is the problem.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)You can get an EV that fits your use case for about half that... less if you go used.
But yes, prices do need to come down. Those people with $400 in their bank accounts tend to buy used cars anyways. So, until used EVs are commonplace, they'll be some of the last to adopt.
Nothing new there, a century or so ago, it took a while for gas cars to filter down to everyone.
onecaliberal
(32,916 posts)Bucky
(54,087 posts)I'm not sure about that math though.
If I spend $150-200 a month on gas, why is that $5,000 a year instead of $1800-2400 a year? Or are we assuming the average family has two cars?... That $5,000 is still rounding up.
Also, if $175 is 2.24% of my monthly budget, then my monthly budget is $7812 and my annual budget is $93,000. That doesn't quite feel like an "average American family" to me.
Liberal In Texas
(13,590 posts)bills since I bought the car. So, there may be a cost, but it's so negligible we don't notice it.
My wife still has an ICE car (Honda Fit) and I'm always shocked when I take it to the gas station and see the price at the end of a fill-up.
sl8
(13,948 posts)It's from Yardeni Research and they based it on the price of gas in May (?) 2022. They point out that it was considerably less a few months prior, and far less a year prior.
It appears the price is far less today, also (Yardeni report; pdf):
https://www.yardeni.com/pub/gasoline.pdf
Also, regarding the inconsistency you pointed out, I believe one number is per indvidual and one is per househoold.
sl8
(13,948 posts)I'm pretty sure they got that figure from same Yardeni Reasearch report that was all over the news a little over a year ago. JD Power doesn't give a source, but other news articles that repeat the same figures do.
They said that's how much a household would spend on gas in a year, based on the May 2022 gasoline prices.
They point out that it was considerably less a few months prior ($3,800/yr) and far less a year prior ($2,800/yr).
It appears the price is far less today, also (Yardeni report; pdf):
https://www.yardeni.com/pub/gasoline.pdf
Emile
(23,006 posts)that's where everyone will be in the near future.
keep_left
(1,792 posts)...there's anything mentioned about why EVs are sold in such numbers there. The one thing I do know is that Norway is a major oil producer; the extraction royalties paid to their citizens are significant and have resulted in a large wealthy class of Norwegians. There might be certain tax incentives, etc. for buying EVs, possibly to encourage the export of oil rather than its use domestically.
RobinA
(9,898 posts)last year. They have charging everywhere and apparently a lot of hydroelectric to generate electricity. In general they are a lot more environment-forward than we are, although they are a much smaller country with values leaning more toward what's good for the country than ours are. Also, in Europe in general the gas is much more costly and they tend to drive much smaller cars. My CRV would be a behemoth there.
ProfessorGAC
(65,230 posts)It's almost an electric car, but has the range many of us need. And, the plug in option might allow 100+ miles without running the engine.
I admit power doesn't mean much to me. I never feel a need to go over 65mph, and any car will do that.
Now, I'd like to see a PIH as a ragtop, but one step at a time.
Caliman73
(11,749 posts)Primarily gas powered, which we are being told, will be fading out (though not anytime soon by the sound of it) Most plug ins only get around 35 to 50 miles battery only at this time. Smaller battery means less weight and more room for the gas powered amenities.
I think that people are a bit more hesitant to get a plug in hybrid because of the "transition" period that we are seemingly in.
RobinA
(9,898 posts)if I had a plug-in hybrid I would never plug in, so I would essentially be driving an expensive gas car. I know of nowhere to plug in anywhere I go. My sister has a Prius which she runs quite efficiently without having to go fight for the one charging station that must be around somewhere, because the place is crawling with Teslas.
hatrack
(59,593 posts)You don't need a Level 2 system, just use the wall socket. This presupposes, of course, that you're not in a hurry to finish charging.
Spending $10/month on gasoline didn't take any getting used to at all (I'm excluding the occasional long trip, of course).
WarGamer
(12,485 posts)PHEV *ARE* hybrids... just with a more robust electric power train.
You can own a Prius Prime PHEV and never plug in.
Xavier Breath
(3,656 posts)I wish now that I would have purchased a plug-in hybrid. Even with the small battery range it would have effectively cut my gas consumption in half for what was my daily commute. And, now that I'm retired, I could easily run all the errands we need with the battery power only.
ProfessorGAC
(65,230 posts)Back & forth to the golf course & dog park for a couple days. No gas.
Back & forth to most of the schools where I sub. No gas.
If I do need more range, I'm looking at 40mpg on 10 gallons. I can't imagine ever needing more than 400 miles of range, even if there's nowhere to charge.
I would, however, pay the extra money to have a 4 hour charger in the garage.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)tinrobot
(10,926 posts)I understand all the fears, but driving an EV is not all that different than gas. California is proving it.
With home charging, I leave the house with a full "tank" every morning-- plus it costs a lot less than gas.
Road trips - I've done 1000 mile trips with no issues. Yes, you may take an extra twenty minutes to charge, but that's part of the bargain for being nicer to the planet.
And yes, there are still problems to solve. We need a lot more chargers, we also need to solve for those who can't do home charging, and prices need to come down. But the technology is already there, we just need to implement so it's cheaper and available to all.
Mosby
(16,381 posts)Also, EV are significantly heavier that gas powered vehicles, so the petroleum based asphalt will need more repair and replacement once EVs become more common.
Then there's the whole issue with mining lithium.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)But, don't forget, those "heavy" EVs are still 3-4 times more efficient than an equivalent gas car.
Plus, the power generated with gas/coal is done more efficiently than the power generated by a gas car.
And... we can replace those power plants with cleaner sources. Here in Los Angeles, we're over 60% renewable and growing.
It all adds up.
Liberal In Texas
(13,590 posts)Drive an ICE car down the block to the store and the engine and radiator are putting out heat. Lots of heat.
Open the "hood" on an EV after driving all over town and it will be pretty much the same temperature as the environment around it.
Expressways during rush hour packed with ICE cars are dumping tremendous amounts of heat into the atmosphere. It's not just the fuel production and dumping CO2 into the atmosphere, the design of an internal combustion automobile is meant to produce heat.
albacore
(2,407 posts)...one would think that we won't have to drastically change our travel plans in the relatively near future.
If gas goes to $10, travel trailers and visiting far-away family are simply going to be impossible.
Government actions made gas (guzzling) cars fashionable and affordable - Interstate highway system, for example.
Government actions will have to steer consumers in the direction of EVs.
This next election could be yet another turning point in our history. If the Repubs win... WH and/or Congress... the infrastructure for EVs will never happen, and we'll continue to be at the mercy of the oil cartels, and so will our planet.
jimfields33
(16,008 posts)Are we saving the environment?
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)That's the great thing with EVs - the cars get cleaner as the sources of power get cleaner.
madville
(7,412 posts)Most folks don't have $30k+ or so available for an entry-level solar system, $50k+ with batteries.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)If we install solar (or other renewables) at utility-scale, then average people won't have to bear the expense of rooftop solar.
But the fact remains that the cars still get cleaner as the power gets cleaner.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)I got my full system in 2013 for 18K to power a 3k sq ft house. But, a lot of folks sure seem to mange that 50 ot 60K for that new truck. Just sayin.
madville
(7,412 posts)Solar is around $3 a watt now installed. A 12kW solar system is gonna be around $36,000 and then add 25kWh of battery storage for another $20,000-25,000 and youre approaching $60,000 easily.
albacore
(2,407 posts)We are a consumer economy, and if people don't consume because they're putting their money in their gas tanks....
Happy Hoosier
(7,415 posts)We can make electrictiy with solar, wind, and nuclear. It just requires the will to do so.
An I.C.E. can never be made to not emit CO2 cause chemistry.
Trailrider1951
(3,415 posts)but my guzzler is paid for, and I cannot afford a new one.
lindysalsagal
(20,746 posts)Batteries preclude battery power for heavy loads.
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 18, 2023, 06:25 PM - Edit history (1)
Next time you're out driving somewhere, count the number of vehicles with trailers. I guarantee it will be way less than 10%, and probably less than 1% in most areas.
We can electrify that 90-99% of vehicles today and you can still keep your boat/horse trailer/whatever. It would still be a huge plus.
lindysalsagal
(20,746 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,415 posts)There are electric tractor trailers about to hit the market. They are known for hauling some heavy loads.
To me, the issue is and remains range. A few times a year, I need to make a 600 mile drive in a day. No pure EV can really do that right now. SOme hybrids can, and I'm looking at some for my next vehicle. We need infrastructure and true methos of supporting longer range driving for a pure EV to be truly practical for me, and I am someone who embraces the tech.
Iggo
(47,574 posts)albacore
(2,407 posts)All that bullshit is petro-propaganda.
Iggo
(47,574 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)albacore
(2,407 posts)Some batteries last 200K miles. I just had the battery on my 2011 Prius tested, and it was fine.
The Prius battery replacement cost ranges from $2,000 to $4,500.
https://www.way.com/blog/how-much-does-prius-battery-replacement-cost/#:~:text=The%20Prius%20battery%20replacement%20cost,Toyota%20Prius%20battery%20replacement%20cost.
hatrack
(59,593 posts)It cost about $1,400 to replace it, vs. estimated cost of $10,000 when I bought it.
Mosby
(16,381 posts)For an item that costs between 40k and 90k is going to be pretty flat looking.
LymphocyteLover
(5,660 posts)We got a Leaf for like $22,000 and I drive it all the time. It doesn't have much range but it's fine for my commute and I love not having to buy gas.
Hekate
(90,855 posts)I want a battery that wont catch itself on fire and burn my house down, or start a 100,000 acre wildfire, or take 3,000-plus gallons of water to extinguish. At a reasonable price.
That is in addition to enough charging stations to get around.
How effing hard is that?
tinrobot
(10,926 posts)Just sayin'.
Statistics show a much higher percentage of gas cars catch fire compared to EVs
albacore
(2,407 posts)Kaleva
(36,357 posts)"Apparently, the presence of a gasoline enginge next to a high-powered electric battery system is the cause of most problems with hybrid cars. "
https://fireisolator.com/why-a-hybrid-car-fire-is-more-likely-to-happen-than-an-ev-car-fire/#:~:text=The%20research%20of%20AutoinsuranceEZ%20shows,most%20problems%20with%20hybrid%20cars.
albacore
(2,407 posts)...for a product designed to solve a "problem".
Internal combustion cars have more fires...
"The study says gas-powered cars saw 199,533 fires. Hybrid cars accounted for 16,051 fires. Fully-electric cars came in with 52 fires total. The study claims these figures are for the entire year of 2021.
The study also looked at the number of U.S. cars recalled for fire risk in 2020. Again, the biggest number belonged to ICE cars, with 1,085,800 vehicles recalled. A total of 152,000 fully-electric cars were recalled. And 32,100 hybrids were recalled."
https://jalopnik.com/hybrid-cars-light-on-fire-more-than-electric-and-gas-po-1848454698#:~:text=The%20study%20says%20gas%2Dpowered,the%20entire%20year%20of%202021.
Kaleva
(36,357 posts)ICE vehicles have about half the fires per 100k sold then hybrids per 100k sold
BannonsLiver
(16,505 posts)Which matches their cheap looking and thrown together interior styling perfectly. Their interiors are about as well built as a Pontiac Fiero from 1989.
Hekate
(90,855 posts)We know people with Teslas, and what ego-machines they are. Our niece and her husband have a Tesla, and the Xmas performance it put on in the driveway last year was past belief. In case you havent seen it, the owner downloads a special program that makes the cars lights flash on and off, and makes it play loud music. I think the doors flap and the body does a low-rider thing as well.
I always wanted to like the Prius and other earlier models, but #1 my husband is not interested because he likes our 17 year old Accord. Well, and that about sums that part up. #2 I look at that dashboard and all I can see is going back to Driving School. Oh whatthehell, Ill put Driving School on my to-do list and cross that bridge when I get to it.
On edit we have been passengers in a friends hybrid. In the middle of the freeway it needed rebooting. You heard me right. It started to slow significantly, and he calmly pulled to the side of the road and did what he had to reboot the thing. Gods have mercy.
Dulcinea
(6,669 posts)As of now, it's a no from me because there's not enough infrastructure where I live to charge/support an EV. Plus, we take a lot of long road trips. You can always find a gas station, but you can't always find a place to charge an EV.
albacore
(2,407 posts)Batteries don't need replacement, they CAN be tested, they don't catch fire more than gas cars... etc.
If I buy a $30K Chevy Equinox EV next year, I will get a $2K rebate from my state, a $7,500 rebate from the Feds, and my state will waive the 6.5% state sales tax on the purchase.
The range is 300 miles, and I can charge it at home from empty to full for $4.50.... $9 on a public charger. My electric company will install my home charger - and maintain it - for free.
There are 5200 public charging stations in my state, and with NEVI, they will increase exponentially.
It will tow 1,500 lbs.
And for you jackrabbit-start folks...NO stock gas car gets off the line faster than an EV.
Big problem is... if you live in a red state, the state is gonna fight tooth and nail to keep the dinosaurs on the road and Big Oil in profits.
I live in deep-blue Washington. Texas? Good luck with that.
https://history-computer.com/owning-an-ev-in-washington-charging-cost-incentives-and-more/
Kaleva
(36,357 posts)The one time I had to pay federal tax was a year I babysat a lot and owed $400. So rebates for me and others like me are no incentive
albacore
(2,407 posts)Kaleva
(36,357 posts)albacore
(2,407 posts)Kaleva
(36,357 posts)albacore
(2,407 posts)albacore
(2,407 posts)tinrobot
(10,926 posts)So, there's that.
Some may need to wait until used EVs are commonplace. It will happen.
Kaleva
(36,357 posts)I might be long gone by the time there are many EVs in the used car market
Liberal In Texas
(13,590 posts)I also got a rebate from the federal government that was around $6K.
And this was a few years ago so I don't know what the current program numbers are.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)But glad that theyre available for those who want them.
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Initech
(100,107 posts)If I could trade my Subaru for a Kia EV6 tomorrow I'd do it in half a second. Fuck you oil companies, speculators, and Saudi Arabia!
LymphocyteLover
(5,660 posts)We got a used Leaf for $22,000 so quite cheap.
Emile
(23,006 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)In Brazil, E25 is the lowest ethanol content u can buy. Some can even run on E100.
More people will switch to EV as time rolls along, but for the remainder who buy and utilize ICE vehicles they should run less petroleum fuel going forward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil
LiberalFighter
(51,152 posts)Except it would show the cost differential if a person drove a specific gas vehicle with cost of gas for 400 miles. Vs an EV and cost of charging for the same miles. It would be different based on electric company and whether it is at home or away.
albacore
(2,407 posts)With a range of 300 miles.
LiberalFighter
(51,152 posts)While the 2023 gets about 31 on the highway. Which would cost about $50 for a fill-up for just over 400 miles range.
It might be more effective to show how much annually with EV vs gas.
Chi67
(1,073 posts)an Audi A3 mild hybrid in March. It's great so far. I have gotten over 43 MPG on road trips. I decided wait for an electric until these new batteries come out:
https://www.greencars.com/greencars-101/the-future-of-ev-batteries
ecstatic
(32,740 posts)I think one thing that might be holding some people back is the look of some of the EV options.
I think for me, it's a lack of familiarity and concern that I'll be stuck somewhere unpleasant and needing to charge my car with no idea of where to go. Also, the negative press some EVs have received with regard to non-stop fires and rapidly draining batteries.
Liberal In Texas
(13,590 posts)or list will pop up showing where all the nearest (or even farthest) charging stations are from your present location. It will tell you distance and route. There are also free phone apps available that will do the same thing.
I'm not sure what you mean by the look of EV options, I've got about all the bells and whistles you could ask for in a car. Plus it looks like a standard smaller SUV. I have a 2019 model purchased in late 2018 and have had nothing but good luck with it. Any minor mechanical problems were fixed under the 100K warranty. And it has a kick-ass AC system that was pretty nice to have this summer in 112º days.
This fear of being stuck somewhere needing to find a charging station is blown way out of proportion. I'm pretty average. I drive around town and a charge with any full EV would keep me happy for days. My PHEV has a 24 mile range (it's really about 30) and I almost always drive everywhere on battery. The only time one needs to worry about finding charging stations is when you are on the road for a long trip. And for that you can plan ahead if you feel the need.
It's really nice starting out the day with the equivalent of a full tank of gas and not having to go to the gas station to do it.
ecstatic
(32,740 posts)or will it have drained?
Liberal In Texas
(13,590 posts)And the 12 volt battery that runs the accessories and computer stuff is kept charged up from the big battery.
ecstatic
(32,740 posts)without worrying about getting gas really got my attention. Thanks for the info. I might consider it in 2026.
Liberal In Texas
(13,590 posts)My son bought a MachE last year and he's the one that said it was like having a full tank of gas every day.
FlyingPiggy
(3,384 posts)And ICE vehicles will be a thing of the past. Im not sad about that, either. The charging infrastructure will come. There are already 44,000 tesla charging stations. And thats just tesla. You have blink, evgo, electrify america, etc. as well. The only draw back I can see so far is the range insecurity. But I think that will change in the next 5-10 years where we will get a good 900 miles per charge. It will be a game changer when that happens. And already, prices of EV have already come down for mass adoption.
Ps I bought a tesla model Y this year and love it. I was worried about the range bc I have long commutes but it has not been a problem whatsoever. Atleast not in my tesla. But, I do have to say there was a learning curve w all this new technology. But it wasnt overwhelming. I am lucky that I have options. When the weather cools down, I will clear some space and put in a wall charger. Right now, I have a 110 regular charger and plug it into a regular outlet in my garage to charge it up. It takes a lot longer but it works for my driving habits. In a pinch, I just go down the street to the superchargers to charge up if meed be. The other thing I really like about the tesla superchargers is that theyre always around some amenity and I get internet in my car and watch my you tube videos and tv shows. I love it.
sakabatou
(42,180 posts)I want something that makes an engine noise, that way people can hear it.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,471 posts)See many comments above.
People don't want to give up oil changes, oil filters, oil, exhaust systems, air filters, spark plugs, plug wires, injectors, fuel tanks, fuel filters, fuel pumps, radiators, water pumps, antifreeze, radiator hoses, themostats, catalytic converters, stench and noise. They like throwing away, as excess heat, 75% of the energy they buy.
The only reason we don't have 50 years of commuter EVs in automotive history is because there are too many revenue streams to be given up by manufacturers and oil companies.
JCMach1
(27,578 posts)And spend about $20 a month for the electricity to run. My car.
Even better, mines already paid for.
Go fill that SUV for $60. Please proceed.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,471 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,170 posts)Always cracks me up when I go to these threads and here all the talking points against EVs. This is a brand new technology, we're like 10 years into this journey, and really only 6 or 7 of those years have the major auto manufactures been taking this seriously. We are transitioning very quickly, but people are so impatient. The infrastructure is improving by leaps and bounds to support EVs. Battery technology is improving dramatically from year to year. Costs are coming down. Battery recycling is just getting going.
It took the ICE vehicle industry decades to really become ubiquitous. It wasn't until after WW2 that we really got the high way system we all know and use today. Yeah, EVs aren't for everyone just yet, but we're rapidly approaching the point where buying an ICE vehicle doesn't make sense for most consumers. In 2028, the landscape is going to look totally different than today, just give it some time, it's coming.
I always think of people going from horse to car. I bet a ton of people were saying, "well, what the heck do I do with a car if I want to cross a stream or go over a ridge? They're just not useful to me, there aren't enough roads." EVs are happening faster than ICE vehicles overtook horse and buggy.
JCMach1
(27,578 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,170 posts)And they ignore the owner satisfaction stats. People with EVs are happy with them. By a 3 to 1 margin, EV owners buy another EV when they need a new car vs going back to ICE.
All of these "problems" the Oil companies keep talking about don't seem to be noticed by most EV owners. EV owners aren't the ones complaining about lack of charging stations as much as people on message boards who don't own EVs complain about the lack of them. Probably because the vast majority of EV owners charge their cars in their garages at night and rarely have need for super chargers. And EV owners don't complain about range as much as message board posters because they probably realized the number of times they drive over 200 miles at a time in a year is very rare. I drive over 150 miles at once maybe once or twice a year. People who get EVs probably aren't driving 200+ miles dozens of times a year.
People who don't own EVs are really outraged about EV's shortcomings.
JCMach1
(27,578 posts)I use a tank of gas about 2x per year.
People just don't have any clue about their actual range/usage.
Volts have only about 35 miles of range. That's tiny compared to most EVs
Johnny2X2X
(19,170 posts)He's had a Volt for years and it's his commuter car, he never worries about gas. It's perfect for what he uses it for and they have a bigger vehicle for a family car that they take on trips.
And people don't realize that there are massive infrastructure investments to improve the grid and add charging capabilities from coast to coast. 5 years from now, it's going to look totally different for EV owners or buyers, it seems the entire country is Veruca Salt, "But I want it now, how come it's not the way I want it right now daddy?"
We're quickly approaching the point where ICE vehicles will be looked down on as a silly purchase.
And 15 or 20 years out, the technology is moving so fast that who knows where we could be. 1000 mile range, 2000 mile range? Costs are coming down, EVs are easier to build. Safer and more reliable is a given. In 25 years we could look at ICE vehiucles the same we we look at horse and buggies today.
JCMach1
(27,578 posts)I bought this. Also, never had to worry...
Meanwhile people were losing their mind over no gasoline available.
JCMach1
(27,578 posts)I suspect that was likely less than you paid for your ICE
RobinA
(9,898 posts)are a self-selected crowd. If I've never seen a public charging station anywhere near where I live, am I going to buy an EV? If my kid goes to college across the state in the red hills of western PA, am I going to buy an EV? How many EV owners have a gasoline engine sitting in the driveway ready for the heavy lifting? I'm not anti-EV, I just think it's not time for me to get one. I also question the cleanness of the battery manufacturing and increased electric generation, but that's another issue.
Johnny2X2X
(19,170 posts)But 10 years from now the regular long distance drives will be one of the biggest reasons a person would want an EV.
A lot of gas stations in my area now have sharging stations off the the side.
MusicLikeDirt
(27 posts)Humans are WAYYYY to arrogant and ignorant to deserve a beautiful planet like Earth.
We need this planet. We literally have nowhere else to go.
Even right here, we got people preening, snarling, twisting, contorting all their various viewpoints.
For/against? Smarmy, smart-assed bickering. Nonsense peddling.
None of it means jack shit.
Mother Nature will make humanity her bitch.
Bettie
(16,132 posts)that the US is large. For us, visiting family and friends, 4-5 hours is a short drive where you go, visit, then come back the same day.
Six to eight hours of driving is an overnight trip. More than a ten hour drive and we prefer to stay a day or two, rather than turning right around and coming back.
But, the point is, there would be quite a bit of time added by having to charge and the problem (at least in the Midwest) of finding charging stations along the route.
Again: once infrastructure is there, it will be more feasible. I do most of my driving on the electric motor on my Prius prime, but if I have to go to town, I need the gas engine. I am currently getting about 67 MPG which is SO much better than my Traverse did.
brooklynite
(94,786 posts)Here in NY we shut down the Indian Point nuclear power station and there's no way to force more water through Niagara Hydro. Wind and solar are nowhere close to generating our electrical power needs so Con Ed is burning...something.
albacore
(2,407 posts).. wouldn't invest $Billions in EVs if they thought the infrastructure will be there.