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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, I'm curious. When did we as a nation decide it was ok to deface the US Flag?
We had a new gun store open up recently and the owner is flying the regular flag, a second US flag with red, blue, and green strips, and a third Don't Tread of Me flag. I had missed the addition of a green and red strip to the Back the Blue "flag" Went looking online for more information. Every article I read (5) reported how patriotic these flags were, how they represented fireman (red), police (blue) and military, park rangers (green). And how it was fine to fly these flags especially if you flew the "old" flag with them.
Ok, I admit it, I'm really getting pissed and really upset at the amount of propaganda and lies we are surrounded by. How does any ordinary person even begin to know what's right and what's wrong, what's a lie and what isn't?
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inthewind21
(4,616 posts)That's when.
WhiteTara
(29,841 posts)SYFROYH
(34,200 posts)It sanctioned that you can do what you want with the US flag.
Wonder Why
(3,813 posts)Iggo
(47,880 posts)And those two-fingered peace sign patches we sewed onto the back pocket of our jeans.
Im trying to think of others. (It was a long time ago, and I was a little kid.)
NowISeetheLight
(3,982 posts)Our elementary school had a nature courtyard in the 70s. I remember the ecology flag.
Biophilic
(4,124 posts)So I guess my self righteous anger at both the store owner and the articles online was completely miss placed. Sigh. I know better than to jump in when I dont have all the evidence.
reymega life
(675 posts)tritsofme
(17,890 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)It's not
former9thward
(32,737 posts)As the poster above you mentioned the Supreme Court in 1989 said you could burn the flag as a protest. If you can burn it then you can do anything else to it.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)mind boggling how few know this.
Ms. Toad
(34,881 posts)LiberalFighter
(52,726 posts)What it says to me is that they don't think they are as good as USA.
As an example, if a business advertises they are Christian. It says to me that they must be doing underhanded things and trying to hide it with the Christian thing.
exboyfil
(17,900 posts)I held my tongue and went along with the prayer. I know it bothered her in her last days because her friends were getting it done at half what she contracted to do it. I don't care so much about the money, but the fact that it bothered my mom in her last days.
Fuck them and anybody who takes advantage of an old person.
marble falls
(59,609 posts)Bayard
(23,001 posts)maxsolomon
(33,945 posts)Only Cons need to wrap themselves in flags, but they get tired of the same old same old. And they think their Thin-Blue-Line dipshittery it offends us Libtard Snowflakes.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)These people hate the US flag so much that they have to change it.
You could probably pass for normal among them with a Bretagne flag...
exboyfil
(17,900 posts)For years he flew the proper US flag above the Marine Corps flag on the same flagpole (the prescribed method). I lost a lot of respect for the guy when he went with the combined abomination. The US flag is for every American and its image or portions of its image should never be used to support any group.
I don't think it is about law but about what is right because of the 1st amendment. Those who decide to deface the US flag should be ostracized in my opinion.
Iggo
(47,880 posts)Ferryboat
(964 posts)or other pieces of clothing?
Wednesdays
(18,351 posts)Remember the Golden Rule: IOKIYAR!
stopdiggin
(11,918 posts)quite some while back. I think now the question has become, do the various flags (and representations) that we fly today represent support and inclusion - or is the message meant to convey the converse?
Support for police, firefighters and military have all long been honorable and (mostly) sincere expressions. On the other hand, is the neighbor's display of a 'Back the Blue' sign - primarily a message in opposition to Black Lives Matter?
And then we have to also confront the fact that a prominent display of the flag, particularly on private property (or vehicles) has always had a bit of a 'holier than thou' ('more patriotic than you' ) element to it.
In any event - it's pretty clear that both message and motivation have become fairly fluid over the years (huge displays over auto dealers and discount warehouses, junk mail insurance offers). And since your neighbor, or auto dealer, clearly has the right to fly just about anything he wants to - I think we are left with trying to determine where lies honest and honorable motivation - and who are the hucksters (including police and politicians?) that have a sometimes ulterior and/or divisive ('holier than thou') set of ideas and agenda?. (America for Americans!)
And I wish you good luck with figuring out who is who.
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Biophilic
(4,124 posts)Good luck figuring out whos who. And Im back to my original question of how can an ordinary person keep any of this straight or figured out?
stopdiggin
(11,918 posts)I try to go the 'benefit of the doubt' route when possible (just because it's probably healthier for both myself, and those I interact with). All the while being perfectly aware that some don't deserve that courtesy. And then, to be honest - if you're a goofball or a jackhammer - there's a good chance I really don't care what your 'message' is. (I stopped 'engaging' with nincompoops years ago - again, for both my health, and theirs)
marble falls
(59,609 posts)... time the hoisting mechanism is fouled by rags off the flag and can't be brought down.
bluedigger
(17,115 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,684 posts)even if domestically produced, are being encouraged or boosted by our adversaries, to make us look not like one united nation, but dozens of splinter groups.
Biophilic
(4,124 posts)I was dismayed to realize that the first time I passed the store I didnt see the regular flag next to the 3 colored one.
Bettie
(16,630 posts)plastered onto unlikely bodies...saw one where he was rambo riding a velociraptor. Weird.
Takket
(22,191 posts)Using the flag as works of art is a form of free expression. Whether it is tasteful or not is certainly also covered by everyones 1A rights to say so.
yagotme
(3,513 posts)when he commented about the guy leading the protest in Washington wearing a US flag as a shirt. Wasn't considered appropriate at that time period, per US Flag Code.