Why is it so terrible for us to have a CHOICE in the Democratic primary?

[Alhena]

Does Biden have every right to run again? Of course he does! And of course I will vote for him if he gets the nomination.

But I'd rather see Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Witmer representing my party against Trump because I have no doubt whatsoever that they would be a much stronger candidate.

Now someone remind me again why wanting to have a CHOICE in a Democratic society is such a terrible thing?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. This will not end well n/t

[hlthe2b]

3. Nor should it. n/t

[Sympthsical]

29. Just got home from Costco

The 44 count box of microwave popcorn was one of the purchases. I had been saving it for movie night later in the evening, but right now will work just as well.

[mcar]

34. Finished my popcorn an hour ago

Should have saved some.,

[Sympthsical]

35. Now is probably better

Because we're watching Schindler's List. Somehow, neither of us have seen it. We've been idly debating all day whether or not we're doing something kind of awful by buying snacks for that movie.

It's three hours, tho . . .

[Tomconroy]

62. Great movie.

[LiberaBlueDem]

2. Because

No others are fool enough to challenge Biden

[Alhena]

5. Only because the perception now is that it would be disloyal to do so

I submit we should worry more about avoiding Trump Part 2 than staying loyal to one man.

[wnylib]

18. I submit that your argument is so faulty that it shows

either political naivete or intention to sow division.

It is not just a perception that it would be disloyal to challenge Biden in the primary. It is reality.

If you actually do want to avoid Trump part 2, why do you propose candidates who are not running and who have said that they will not run?

[Cha]

56. Gov Newsom already said he Wasn't running and

he supports Pres Biden for reelection.

Is that good enough for you, Althena?

People like rfk jr & MW, cornel west do things like that.

Gov Newsom cares about our Democracy.

[pnwmom]

73. All that happens when we primary an incumbent is we weaken him for the general.

History has proven this time and again. Unless Biden chooses to step down, he'll be the strongest candidate we can have. Nobody else will be more popular than he is.

[Hekate]

82. TRUMP LOST IN 2020 BY MANY MILLIONS OF VOTES

[MistakenLamb]

100. He actually lost by about 45k votes

And won by about 80k votes in 2016, this 2024 election will be decided by same margins, a primary challenge to Biden will hurt him with those voters in the right place.

[Hekate]

114. Wikipedia is where I got the popular vote tally, as I intended. By all means work on the

…Electoral College margins, as necessary, but do bear in mind that we have a president that people like, not someone to apologize for.

[betsuni]

86. Nothing to do with disloyalty to one personality, anointed, crowned, cheerleading, echo chamber,

toe the line, etc.: any Democratic president follows the Democratic Party platform. Why do you think anyone else would do anything differently?

[MistakenLamb]

99. Did you support Bernie Sanders almost primary challenge to Obama in 2012

I know his buddy Ed Shultz was chomping at the bit for it

[shrike3]

109. Primarying a sitting president would help lead the way to Trump 2

That is all.

[Mr.Bill]

40. Except RFK Jr. n/t

[LiberaBlueDem]

42. Jr is a fool

[Mr.Bill]

44. Of course he is. n/t

[Demsrule86]

132. He is not a Democrat and is considering running as a libertarian which would likely hurt Trump.

[Mr.Bill]

135. Wikipedia says he is running for the Democratic nomination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr._2024_presidential_campaign

[RandySF]

4. Because the people most likely to challenge Biden

tend to have the most petty supprters.

[Chainfire]

6. There is nothing at all wrong with a primary challenge from a serious candidate.

But once the pick is made it will have to be all hands on deck to work for a win.

[DemocraticPatriot]

25. "There is nothing at all wrong with a primary challenge from a serious candidate", IF

you don't mind handing the White House to the Republicans.

Whenever an incumbent president has been challenged in his own party by a serious candidate,
the party loses the White House. It has happened EVERY SINGLE TIME in the modern era.

Truman, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Bush Sr.

[Polybius]

66. I don't think Ford in '76 or Carter in '80 win either way, primary or not

Bush in '92 too.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

71. The primary challengers definitely didn't help, either

The primaries fractured both parties when they most needed to come together.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Ford lost the Electoral College by 18,000 votes in Ohio and Hawaii.

[Maru Kitteh]

69. Name a single time in history that it's gone well. One.

Why do you suppose that is?

[uponit7771]

102. This is false on its face

[Scrivener7]

7. Our democracy is on the line this election. We need unity. Normally I would

totally agree with you, and I don't love the fact of Biden's age (though he and the former guy ARE virtually the same age) but this year, we just can't have any cracks. Everything rides on every one of us lining up behind Biden and no one else.

Gavin and Big Gretch will be great. But not this time around.

[wnylib]

8. Electability and unity.

A party that challenges its incumbent who is running again is a party that loses in the general election due to internal split.

But I think you know that.

FYI, neither Newsom nor Whitman is running. I have a hunch that you know that, too.

[Hekate]

84. Wonder if she really wants RFK Jr or Cornel West? Or maybe Jill Stein?

[wnylib]

93. I think that there is something else going on

with threads like this. I was just thinking about starting a thread to discuss what might be a RW strategy regarding polls and calls for replacing Biden on the ticket.

Depends on who sponsors and publicizes the polls. I consider nearly all corporate media to be right leaning precisely because they are corporate owned. So, when unreliable polls show Trump and Biden in a dead heat, or Trump ahead of Biden, I'm beginning to think that the intent is to undercut support for Biden among Dems. The media push those polls and also push Biden's age and supposed Dem dissatisfaction with Biden. Then social media - including some dubious posts and threads on DU - start promoting the idea of replacing Biden and use buzz words like "having a choice" in the primaries.

Creating bias against Biden in polls and calling for him to be replaced serve two purposes. One is to create division among Dems over whether Biden can win. One disgruntled side could choose t9 sit out the general election. Another is the hope of actually getting Biden replaced by another candidate. That idea gets pushed with buzz word phrases like "giving Dens a choice" in the primaries. Why replace him? Because Biden CAN win against Trump. Therefore, try to knock him out of the running.

There is another possibility regarding media promotion of dubious polls and Biden's age. Most of the mainstream media are right leaning corporate owned entities, but they don't want Trump again. Trump might not be the candidate by 2024 due to his legal and financial troubles. Major Republican donors are dumping Trump. A number of Republicans and former Republicans who left the party because of Trump would like to put up a different candidate against Biden. If they do, the bias against Biden that media are now promoting would pay off in a general election between Biden and a last minute replacement of Trump.

[Hekate]

94. I think you make very good points

I’ve been joking about the bat signal going up because it felt like we got a whole bunch all at once

[shrike3]

120. Bingo.

Also, talking points I've heard, from "establishment" Republicans like Romney. "Biden and Trump must both drop out." I think these Repubs are worried will be disqualified or worse, and are using the situation to "both candidates" us. Both candidates are flawed. Both must drop out. Pass the torch. The media's really picked up on that one. That's why I'm dubious at this point. Of a lot of things.

I think they're still scared of Biden, hence the "both must go" messaging. A challenger, any challenger, non-incumbent, would be easier to knock off perhaps, in the eyes of some?

[JustAnotherGen]

124. You are bang on

I don't disagree with a single word you've written.

[Recycle_Guru]

127. excellent thoughts

[stuck in the middle]

9. Who's running? (nt)

[Hekate]

85. Not Gavin Newsom, not Gretchen Whitmer, not Bernie Sanders. ....

The only people running are the ilk of Cornel West and RFK Jr.

[stuck in the middle]

89. I'm pretty sure West isn't.

RFK Jr may be (I don’t follow his antics), but even with him, I thought that I saw something about the Libertarians, recently.

My guess is that the OP will have to choose between Biden and RFK Jr, which doesn’t seem like a difficult choice to make.

Usually primaries feature actual candidates.

Perhaps the OP can run?

[carpetbagger]

91. West is running for the Green Party nomination. nt.

[stuck in the middle]

92. Neither the Greens nor the Libertarians..

…will be running in a Democratic Primary under any circumstances.

I left RFK Jr in the list because the Libertarian thingie may not pan out.

A Primary actually requires candidates wanting to run as Dems.

[bluestarone]

10. Because Joe

IS the BEST one!! PERIOD!

[T_A]

11. Carter/Kennedy

*

[elleng]

24. Thanks

[msfiddlestix]

12. It's not that it's a terrible idea, it's that right now, its a terribly stupid idea.

In ordinary times, I would be supporting the view of the "more the merrier".

But this isn't ordinary times. I find it remarkable that it even has to be stated.

[JanMichael]

27. There are no "ordinary" times in some circles.

[uponit7771]

103. Some country has started a "Biden is too old" MIC and its reached here.

[JI7]

13. 1980, but if someone wants to run they can do so

m

[W_HAMILTON]

14. Gavin Newsom and Gretchen "Witmer" aren't running.

Why do you want to force people to run that have decided not to? Do they not get to have a choice?

[brooklynite]

15. Its NOT terrible in the abstract; it IS terrible in the real world.

Challenging an incumbent President in a Primary highlights the President's vulnerabilities vs other candidates (which presents a problem in the General Election phase) and it's hard to rebuild Party unity afterwards. See Ford in 76 and Carter in 80.

[Happy Hoosier]

16. Here's why.

Biden has done a great job. The only knock against him is his age and a tendency to stumble over words.

Anyone running against him with any hope of winning would have to attack those points.

They’d lose anyway and will have weakened Biden. This is a lose-lose proposition.

[Tree Lady]

17. I will tell you why because in the past every

single time we primaried a president we lost to a republican. I think we learned our lesson.

Besides Joe has done a great job. Personally Gretchen is my choice for next president after him.

[DestinyIsles]

19. We shouldn't feed trolls here

But please continue….

[marybourg]

20. We seem to be having an outburst of it this afternoon.

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[kelly1mm]

26. Are you calling the OP a troll? They have been a DU member since 2006 and have

almost 3000 posts. That is truly playing the Loooooooooooooooong game! 17 years just to troll on primarying the President .....

[DestinyIsles]

41. Right and this person popping this topic three months before the Iowa Caucus

like another Democratic candidate is going to magically emerge and the incumbent President has already stated he is running again.

[kelly1mm]

52. Just because you disagree with another long term, active DU member DOES NOT make them

a troll. Sometimes I swear DU is a toxic place to not march in lockstep with the prevailing thoughts on any particular topic.

[DestinyIsles]

97. It has nothing to do with not accepting an opinion

Three things I noticed the symptoms of troll posts

1. The poster mentioned Gavin Newsome and Gretchen Whitmer as replacements even though it’s been recorded in the press they stated are fully behind Biden for 2024. A lot of right wingers have been pushing these two candidates online and politicians to try to cause divisions in the Democratic primary.

2. The Poster been here since 2006, 3 Presidents’ since then and he doesn’t know incumbent Presidents don’t usually get primared by a serious challenger? I found that hard to believe.

3. The OP has created this topic and left, didn’t even respond to DUers posts. Trolls love to create division and watch the drama unfold in the background.

Yes but it’s me being toxic and not the OP

[kelly1mm]

106. Yes it is you being toxic ..... nt

[RobinA]

115. It Definitely Can Be

off-putting to anyone not agreeing with the majority. Much groupthink, no discussion tolerated by some people who disagree. I choose to find it amusing. Very typical.

[Hekate]

87. Have you seen...

…the OP that says we’re all nothing but a buncha Boomers who complain about our bunions and cancer surgery and exclude young people with new ideas? It’s going to have 300 replies shortly. That’s another one started by an even-lower post count old-timer.

What can I say? It’s almost like the bat signal went up tonight. You tell me.

[betsuni]

90. I can't help being envious. Hundreds of replies! I gave up OPs long ago.

The David Brooks method of being wrong and getting attention.

[kelly1mm]

107. Again, you not agreeing with a post DOES NOT make someone a troll nt

[Chainfire]

38. So anyone with a different opinion than yours is a troll? I thought this was a place

where like-minded people discussed issues, not joined a cheering section.

[kelly1mm]

53. I would say 'Are you new here?' but I can see you are not. LOL. DU is often toxic to stepping

a toe out of line with the prevailing though on any particular issue.

[Phoenix61]

63. Maybe run spell check before copy-paste? nt

[kelly1mm]

65. Sorry I am confused? What copy and paste and what word is spelled wrong? I am a terrible

speller for sure (college professor said she thought I had dyslexia I spelled so badly) so I would not be surprised if something was amiss ....

[Bongo Prophet]

79. A "Troll" is a creature in fiction. "Trolling", on the other hand, is a verb.

Literally named after a fishing term for dragging bait by a school of fish to see what bites.

People seem to forget this distinction for some reason.

Many highly regarded DU members do a bit of trolling on occasion. It happens all the time.
It's often irritating, but it doesn't necessarily make them a "Troll", in my opinion.

Anyway, I think keeping that definition in mind can be an important distinction that lends some clarity of framing.

I also think that the original post is a case of trolling by the above definition, and yet I don't know the intent and pattern of behavior to "nounify" that verb, lol.

Just a thought.
Oh, and to run against Joe or be dissing Kamala as running mate? Stupid idea, with a bad history, as other smart DUers have kindly pointed out.

[snowybirdie]

21. So we see Democrats

beating each other up in a primary which will give Republicans an edge as they all go for a fascist, immoral, degenerate, unfit and narcissist candidate. Democracy will end and America is no more. But good, you get a choice!

Joe Biden has done a great job of cleaning up the caca left by the last guy. I think we wait to choose a new younger candidate in 2028.

[TreasonousBastard]

22. I sgree wi those who have hinted, or outright stated, that the...

point here is not to find the absolute best candidate, but to rally around what we have and beat the living shit out of Trump.

Finding the absolute best candidate is an iffy proposition anyway, what with all the opinions in our party, so just buckle down and save the nation.

[Chainfire]

111. Democrats should be discussing these types of issues. It is healthy for the party and the nation.

I want to know what my fellow DUers are thinking. I don' want a monolithic cheering section following some preordained plan proposed by unknown people. I would like it if Democrats could trust other Democrats in this space to pose honest questions about important policies without being insulted. Being called a troll is an insult....When you know that on the important day, that your fellow posters are going to do the right thing, then questions should not bother you. It is not a bad question just because you do not have a good answer.

I am not a sociologist, and I haven't run a poll, but I believe that primaries mean more exposure; a chance to further develop a message away from official duties; more time on TV. I am confident that Biden can run on his accomplishments whether challenged in the primary or not. I am not the least bit afraid that Biden could not survive a primary challenge. He has done just what his voters have wanted him to do in office.

In the end, it probably doesn't matter; I do not believe that 1% of potential voters will change their minds from where they stand today regardless of what happens in the next year. I know, that there is nothing in the world that could happen to make me vote for Trump in the general election. I think that that is the position of the vast majority of voters. (on both sides) I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Lets try not to act like right-wingers in our defense of our positions.

[marybourg]

23. What will the challenger to Biden have to say against him

when campaigning? How many regular election ads will the publicans produce based on those primary challenge ads?

[randr]

28. Once upon a time choices were between differing ideologys

The strength on a candidate was measured by the appeal to their ideas. A losing candidates ideas were still incorporated into the party platform to maintain strength as a party.
Now, we have a personality contest that is defined by social media algorithm. A competitive race no longer brings new ideas into the party, it only serves to divide and create resentments. Ultimately turning voters off if their candidate does not fair well.

[Seeking Serenity]

129. Hmmm

Now, we have a personality contest that is defined by social media algorithm. A competitive race no longer brings new ideas into the party, it only serves to divide and create resentments. Ultimately turning voters off if their candidate does not fair well.

I well remember the PUMA wars on this site back in 2008. I don't remember anyone leaving here all huffy and resentful (if anyone with a great memory, a far greater one than I) knows who left in 2008. But I wouldn't mind being corrected.

[budkin]

30. Because primary-ing an incumbent weakens them

It should only be done as a last resort.

[DemocratInPa]

31. I said my fears about 2024..

I am 100% Biden...

But I fear Gen Z is not going to turnout like they did in 2020, and Biden isn't going to get the Trump hating Repubs and Indies like he did.

[MistakenLamb]

112. Don't you dare blame Gen Z for 2024

It will be Boomers and Gen-X who will be voting for a second Trump term

Gen Z saved Democrats ass last year

[tinrobot]

32. All of the other high-profile candidates support Biden.

So, they're stepping back from challenging him in 2024. I don't blame them. He's been great.

But... if you want more choice, maybe you should run. I'm sure you have a lot of very good ideas.

[mcar]

33. Name one time that an incumbent president was primaried from his own party

and let us know how that ended.

Joe Biden is the best president in my 64-year lifetime. Why would anyone want to primary him?

[mountain grammy]

54. Thank you!

He's the incumbent and should not be primaried.

[11 Bravo]

36. Because contested primaries ALWAYS benefit the other side.

Lard Ass is pretty much guaranteed the Republican nomination, and anything that offers him even a fucking sliver of an advantage in the general election is a threat to our democracy.
Any more questions?

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. Challenging a sitting president means saying they're doing things wrong

The candidates you want don't think that. They do not have different policies to offer. Their own judgement is that Biden is the best candidate. Maybe their judgement is better than yours.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. At least Reagan and Kennedy had rationales for their campaigns.

The former thought Ford was insufficiently conservative and the latter thought Carter was insufficiently liberal. What's the rationale for challenging Biden- "I think I have a better chance of winning." It's crazy.

[Pathwalker]

39. Both Newsome & Whitmer have said they're not running & are

supporting Biden. Why in hell do you want them to become self-serving liars? Governor Whitmer is staying right here in Michigan - like she promised she would.

[BootinUp]

46. bingo

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. I'm all in for Whitmer...

…in 2028.

There will be no serious opponent to Biden- Whitmer and Newsom aren’t running, so why bother with a thread about something that will never happen?

[jcgoldie]

45. So your CHOICE...

…is two people who aren’t running for president?

[lapucelle]

48. ...

[Silent Type]

49. Unless Biden decides not to run, don't think a primary will help us.

[Iggo]

50. We always have a choice.

I recommend you choose the strongest candidate available.

But it’s up to you.

[PJMcK]

51. Study the 1980 election

President Carter was challenged by Senator Ted Kennedy in a primary. The Senator really had no chance to win the General Election but he saw that time as his only chance.

His challenge contributed to weakening the President’s campaign and we got Reagan.

Do you really think a primary challenge will strengthen the Democratic Party?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

58. I remember that election very well

The challenge hurt Jimmy Carter and helped Reagan

[Polybius]

67. I think Carter loses anyway

His popularity was just too low to win in 1980.

[Demsrule86]

133. Carter barely lost...the primary weakened him and our lives were destroyed and we are still

suffering because of Ronald Reagan who was a monster.

[Polybius]

134. Barely lost my butt

Reagan in 1980 got a staggering 489 Electoral Votes. Carter got just 49. In fact, the only landslide bigger in the past 50 years was 1984.

[mountain grammy]

55. We have lots of choices

plenty of local elections.. school boards, utility boards, local boards of trustees or county commissioners. Tons of choices, in fact jump in and run for one of these spots! The more the merrier. there are also local issues, amendments and ordinances often on the ballots. As Democrats we are fortunate to have many great choices running in primaries. I would have trouble choosing in the CA Senate Democratic primary and a few others around the country.

The incumbent president does not get primaried.

[honest.abe]

59. Only if Joe decides to drop out.

[ecstatic]

60. The reason is due to experience and lessons learned

Re-election is a perilous time. You're running against your existing record and someone who claims the grass is greener. In order to get through a reelection, Democrats have to be as united as humanly possible.

When major candidates have attempted to primary an incumbent, from my understanding, the incumbent gets through the primary but loses the GE.

So it's not worth it.

If Biden steps down, then we can go from there, but not a moment sooner.

[Recycle_Guru]

61. Because rooting for someone other the incumbent is wrong and not smart

they refer to power of incumbency because it is an actual thing.

Biden will see MANY Dems and Independents ( and a few Republicans) "come home and fully support him.

But enjoy the fun spirited debate until he is nominee. After that, such talk won't be welcome here.

Why, exactly, don't you support Biden. You do realize all Dems are free to throw hat in the ring but haven't done so, right?

You can always write in your candidate choice in your state's primary.

[Tomconroy]

64. It's not a terrible thing. But obviously the people

You mentioned have chosen not to run. Probably for a variety off reasons.

[treestar]

68. we don't have a choice until someone else decides to run

President JB is doing a good job, he's in great shape for his age and he has a 50-something VP.

Even Bernie isn't running. Join the real world. We don't want PO1335809  back in office.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

70. Because incumbents are tough to beat

Running a primary against a solid incumbent doesn't help the party. Never has.

First of all, it wastes precious resources (money and time) that could go into winning the general election. I saw that, up close and personal, with Carter in 1980.

Second: Do let us know when someone who mounted a vigorous primary campaign against an incumbent won the nomination, and without causing serious damage to the incumbent in the general. See: Buchanan v Bush in 1992. See: Ted Kennedy v Carter in 1980. Yeah, the economy was a major factor in their losses (and Iran for Carter)...but don't ignore how the primaries fractured both parties, when they most needed to come together.

So a Whitmer or Newsom can run against an incumbent, but the incumbent tends to both win the primary, and then lose the general. Do you want TFG back in office?

Then keep pursuing your pie-in-the-sky, but those of us living in reality will be Ridin' with Biden from the outset, because he's our closest thing to a sure bet to retain the White House.

And the polls are not something to take seriously right now. Obama and raygun the traitor were both underwater with voters during their 3rd year in office, and yet they still pulled off victories in year 4. Both even had fragile economies in their 2nd campaigns. Good...but not entirely on solid ground yet.

You can chalk up both of them winning to the power of the incumbency, more than anything.

[betsuni]

72. Stronger candidate in what way?

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They're all Democrats, supporting the Democratic platform, so what do you mean?

[Aristus]

74. And why shouldn't we just be able to choose not to wear a mask

and choose not to get vaccinated? Isn’t it all about choice? Who cares about the greater good as long as I get to make a choice that runs counter to the public good?

Choice! Choice! Choice!

It’s sounds so reasonable and inarguable! Choice!

Make the choice to let this sink in: a choice for any candidate but President Biden is a choice for Donald Trump. Bottom line. End of story.

I know we’re Americans, and we despise doing anything that might benefit anyone but ourselves. But it’s crunch-time. It’s time to dig in. It’s time to grow up and make adult choices.

If you choose Donald Trump, at least have the stones to say so, and not hide behind the false dichotomy of ‘choice’.

[betsuni]

78. +1

[Scrivener7]

104. I am all in for Biden, but that analogy is pretty dopey.

Using a normal democratic process (though one I don't believe we should risk this time around) is not the same as vaccine denial.

[Aristus]

110. It's not the denial. It's them framing the issue of vaccine denial

around personal choice. The implication that they’re being perfectly reasonable for wanting ‘choice’, and that anyone who disagrees with a patently stupid decision is the one being unreasonable.

[Scrivener7]

118. And it is dopey to compare that to a normal democratic process.

[Aristus]

119. It's dopey to encourage a primary challenge when the Republican nominee is the

worst human being currently befouling the planet. Especially when he has enough demented, shit-headed supporters to make his re-election plausible.

[pnwmom]

76. They're not running, so it doesn't matter what you'd rather have.

The only "Democrat" running is a DINO/conspiracist theory/anti-vaxxer who doesn't even have a family willing to endorse him.

[Hekate]

80. Divide and Conquer

[Hekate]

81. Remind me how many more votes Biden got in 2020 than The Orange Defendent?

Oh yeah — Biden got 81,283,501

versus Trump 74,223,975

So can we please not do this? Keep your eyes on the prize.

[carpetbagger]

83. I'm with Joe.

There's really no alternative at this point. The only others running are Robert Kennedy Jr and Marianne Williamson, neither of whom are serious general election candidates, and there are no candidates in the wings making decisions. Yes, in a democratic society you have a right to complain about Biden as a weak candidate. I choose to support him emphatically, although my ideal candidate (and don't laugh) is Dave Grohl. I think Biden has done a better job as president than any of the other candidates, Whitmer, or Newsom would have.

[betsuni]

95. Me me me me CHOICE ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS BAD same as Republicans who cares

I'm going to post this on a forum supporting liberal Democrats because blah blah blah who cares.

[Oopsie Daisy]

122. Nailed it.

Thank you.

[Dirty Socialist]

96. Most people talk about how old Biden is

That is ALL I hear from a lot of people. That is reality. I’ll vote for Biden in the general, but we need someone younger.

[MistakenLamb]

98. Name one time. One time that a primary challenge to the incumbent president ever worked out

Democrats made the choice for two Biden terms in 2020

[William769]

101. You do and will have a choice, write their names in.

Problem solved.

I will happily be voting for President Biden, the leader of our party.

[Scrivener7]

105. Wow. I'm totally against primarying Biden. But many

of the posts in this thread castigating the OP are just infantile.

[Conjuay]

108. it's called "experience"

And there is only one way to get it.

[themaguffin]

113. Did I miss something? I haven't heard them announce...

[Autumn]

116. Were Joe Biden to step down or not run for a second term I would want a primary. Having a CHOICE in

a Democratic primary is a good thing. But as it stands Joe is running and we don't need a primary when we have a good Democratic President serving his first term.

[SYFROYH]

117. Historically Im not a big fan of Biden, but I don't want a primary.

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I think he is our best shot at beating Trump although winning is not for certain. Id like us to be focused on that. Others can primary in 2028.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

121. If Newsom or Whitmer decide to enter the race, feel free to vote for one of them.

If they don't enter, feel free to write in a name of your choosing.

[AntivaxHunters]

123. I'm for Biden & I think there should be full on primaries

Because THAT is democracy defined.
Some say "primaries will hurt Biden" but I'm of the opinion that it will in fact make him even stronger.

[JustAnotherGen]

125. It's good to want things

But wanting and getting are two very different things.

[tritsofme]

126. I mean if you are dumb enough to vote for someone like RFK Jr.

I don’t know what to tell you.

[Stinky The Clown]

128. This thread likely breaks no DU rule, but I see it as divisive.

I'd love to see you take it down. Post like this sow seeds of doubt and hurt our chances to defeat The Fraud / Motherfucker.

[hay rick]

130. Let's pretend that we live in a healthy democracy.

Let's pretend that we can trust America's media not to hyperventilate about "Biden's age" because he is 3 1/2 years older than the criminal fascist alternative.

Any Democratic primary opponent will a) not be competitive with Biden but, b) serve as an excuse to belittle Biden, and c) split Democrats and increase the likelihood of a Trump victory.

I would love to have a competitive Democratic primary but that looks like a luxury item that Democrats and Americans can't afford at this time.

[Demsrule86]

131. If you primary a sitting president, we always lose...anyone who runs is politically dead.

There is an incumbent advantage so don't believe the early polls. I worked the Obama 12 election and the early internal polls would make you cry. But he won. Had Sanders or anyone else primaryed him, he wouldn't have won. No primary is needed. Biden is the only one who can carry the states we need in order to win the electoral college.