Big Majority Favors Moving Away from Electoral College

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Big Majority Favors Moving Away from Electoral College

September 25, 2023 at 2:40 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 141 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/09/25/big-majority-favors-moving-away-from-electoral-college/

"SNIP.........

A new Pew Research poll finds that 65% of Americans “say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.”

“A third favor keeping the current Electoral College system.”

“The current electoral system in the United States allows for the possibility that the winner of the popular vote may not secure enough Electoral College votes to win the presidency. This occurred in both the 2000 and 2016 elections, which were won by George W. Bush and Donald Trump, respectively.”

.........SNIP"

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Enough of the minority (least populated) states electing Presidents.

[walkingman]

2. What the majority wants in America is meaningless.

[mountain grammy]

10. Yep, sure seems that way.

[tinrobot]

34. Isn't that the point of the Electoral College?

[Rstrstx]

3. Looking at it closer, conservative Repubs are the only group that like the EC

Republicans and leaning Repubs who identify as conservative want to keep the Electoral College by a 63-36 margin. Numbers for moderate to liberal Republicans and lean Repub (all 4 of them I guess) are reversed, wanting a popular vote by a 63-36 margin, more in line with national numbers. Democrats who identify as liberal want a popular vote by an 88-10 margin, 70% of voters under 30 want it, as do 77% of conservative to moderate Democrats.

[montanacowboy]

4. If we got rid of the EC

Republicans would NEVER win another presidency and they know it! That is why all the cheating and dirty tricks around it abound. The EC is a joke, a vestige of a long ago time. It is long past time that power is returned to the people of the United States and not just a handful. But are the Democrats up to the task? I don't think so. And while we are at it, 11 Scotus judges. It's the ONLY way we can regain power for all the people.

[Wonder Why]

14. 11 Scotus? It would still be 5-6.

[intelpug]

21. E C

According to you the power must be'' returned to the people''. So,, at what point in time did ''the people'' elect the president by popular vote and who took this right away and when?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

33. I suspect you'll wait a very long time for a cogent response

nt

[inthewind21]

36. Healine should

read "Big Majority needs civics lessons!"

[Firestorm49]

24. Right on, Montana Cowboy!

[LiberaBlueDem]

5. Key

The last two republican presidents lost the popular vote totals

And both were huge crooks that damaged America

The people voted correctly but the republicans gamed the system.
No wonder republicans love the EC

[MichMan]

7. Bush won the popular vote in 2004 n/t

[LiberaBlueDem]

8. Not his first theft

2004 the republicans owned the voting machines and there were a great deal of questions coming out of Ohio concerning the vote counts there.

It can be said they gamed the system in 2004

[Polybius]

12. But if Democrats had won Ohio in 2004...

They would have won the EC and lost the popular vote. So we can do it too.

[LiberaBlueDem]

13. What is really weird

Is that the new voting machines bought by bush in 2002, mostly all electronic, are now illegal in many states. Widespread use of paper ballots in 2008 elected Obama by a huge margin.

The company ES&S, which is republican owned, used to count the votes in Arizona and Georgia until 2018. When the new company Dominion counters were used in those two states those two states turned from red to blue.

Weird, huh?

[LeftInTX]

20. The Republicans say that about voting machines now.

They want hand counted ballots

[LiberaBlueDem]

22. yeah, so?

Dominion was attacked like no others in the history of voting.

Its votes were recounted over and over again.

If it was bad it would not have won the lawsuit against fox

republicans never complain about their victories on ES&S machines just when they lose on Dominion's. ES&S is owned by republicans

[brooklynite]

6. And what will they do when Republicans don't support changing the Constitution?

[Polybius]

9. And an even bigger majority in Congress favor keeping it n/t

[WarGamer]

11. Easy. Then change the Constitution.

[BOSSHOG]

15. The electoral college was designed by slave owners to protect the rights of slave owners

Ergo, the natural attraction to republicans.

Let me ask a silly question. Why would republicans be opposed to one person, one vote in a presidential election. The person who gets the most votes wins. Why the hell would anyone be opposed to that in the land of the free?

Republicans have lost 7 of the past 8 popular votes for President. That’s just downright unamerican to the fake patriots.

[Polybius]

16. Honest answer?

I'd be opposed to changing it too if my Party lost 7 of the last 8 popular votes.

[BOSSHOG]

17. They always favor an angle

Whether it’s ethical or not. They care nothing about our country, freedom, democracy or liberty and Justice for all. They provide a challenge for the good in all of us.

[Recycle_Guru]

18. that means they are lying sacks of shit with "marketplace of ideas" propaganda

they want to continue with minoritarian rule until even then tjey lose--then they want to end democracy. pretty obvious now.

Tech billionaires want a dystopian hellscape of anarchy throughout North America with virtually no laws protecting regular people.

[Demsrule86]

19. It doesn't matter...it will never get the votes needed and if by some miracle, it did...

the smaller states would vote it down and it would not be ratified.

[roamer65]

23. If we have another EC and popular vote mismatch that puts Dump in the WH next year...

this republic is DONE.

Kaput.

[republianmushroom]

25. agree

[ripcord]

26. Polls are worthless

I read it here.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

27. We wouldn't have had Trump and G DUHbya but for the electoral college

It's dated and elections should be decided by the popular vote.

[Oldvet]

28. Even better

What we really need is another constitutional convention

[Wonder Why]

29. I'd like to speak in defense of the Electoral College on a number of points

They are not noted for having a great football team or any sports teams unlike so many of our colleges that seem to be just sports schools

They don't advertise on TV or radio

They are a public institution that is owned by the American people

Many of their former members were people of renown

They are the only College where there are no oddball professors - or any professors

They survive on donations from the rich elite

They don't waste money on buildings and not one of their buildings is named for a rich donor.

They don't charge tuition

They did their job in the last election even though it was during Covid

They are a College that is different so they provide diversity from the standard four year colleges

They are such a desirable institution that many applicants have attempted to dishonestly matriculate but all were turned down.

[applegrove]

30. The only public college the GOP likes.

[Rhiannon12866]

31. A few centuries past time!

This was installed when Americans might not be able to get to the polls or without reliable transportation, so it was necessary for representatives to bring the voting consensus to the Capitol. This hasn't been necessary for decades.

[Phil01]

32. Enough to amend the constitution? That's what counts. n/t

[inthewind21]

35. BIG MAJORITY

Need civics classes.