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[we can do it]

1. Divisive.

[LiberaBlueDem]

3. Truth hurts?

[we can do it]

4. That this is divisive? FAFO troll

[GP6971]

2. Hmmmmm.

[sheshe2]

5. I came here to read about the climate.

Instead it is a divisive post and attacking members. If you want a conversation about it then you should change your tactics.

[Think. Again.]

43. I don't see any attack on members in that post?

[sheshe2]

44. Think again. nt

[Think. Again.]

50. Would you mind pointing out the attack as you see it?

[debm55]

56. I will--your last line about boomers. That is a turn off. I was interested in what you posted but

that turned me off.

[Hekate]

6. Keep trying, "LiberalBlueDem". We are members of Democratic Underground: what are you?

[boston bean]

7. I haven't said this in a long time. Let it sink.

[LiberaBlueDem]

8. Joe Biden Says Climate Deniers A Dying Cohort Of 'Lying Dog-Faced Pony Soldiers'

https://democraticunderground.com/100218284357

[W_HAMILTON]

67. Who the hell around here do you think is a climate change denier?

[marybourg]

9. I'm not a boomer, but this is unnecessarily divisive.

Did you live without air conditioning this summer? Do you walk to work? To the dentist? To take a vacation? Do you subsist on oatmeal?

The boomers did no more than what every generation since the dawn of humankind has done : try to live better than their parents did, and give their children a chance at an even better life. There was no cultural pressure to “save the earth” when the boomers were young. I’m older than them, so I know. You’re imputing today’s norms onto a time when those norms did not exist.

No fairer than judging you on some norm that will appear 30 years in the future and about which you now know nothing.

[Sympthsical]

12. Well, they didn't call people Nazis

So at least it wasn't the most divisive thing managed today.

Silver linings.

[LiberaBlueDem]

13. You got that right

I trashed that thread after reading it 3 times.

[DemocraticPatriot]

65. I am a boomer, and I live in my own basement during the summer,

and hardly run the air conditioning AT ALL, even though I do have central air which works... think I ran it no more than 6 hours all summer...

Even through the hottest part of the summer, the lower level of the house never passes above 70 degrees... and for humidity discomfort, I get by with a box fan....

I do this to save money on electricity, but making less of a "carbon footprint" is not beyond my consideration, either...


Just an aside, since you asked the question about 'air conditioning'---
Of course, if I did not have a basement to live in, it might be another matter...

[Torchlight]

10. On the other hand, a most dramatic boost in solar energy and EVs.

“Global climate continues to change at a frightening speed,” said Fatih Birol, executive director of the IEA at an online press event, but “there are legitimate reasons to be hopeful. The spectacular increase in clean energy is keeping the door still open.” The report found that solar power capacity increased nearly 50% in the last two years and electric car sales increased by 240%.

https://www.iea.org/news/the-path-to-limiting-global-warming-to-1-5-c-has-narrowed-but-clean-energy-growth-is-keeping-it-open

https://www.iea.org/reports/net-zero-roadmap-a-global-pathway-to-keep-the-15-0c-goal-in-reach




'But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good' as was once written.

[LiberaBlueDem]

11. Yes Torchlight, one bright light

Solar power can be the change we need.

Been backing solar for 40 years. And fighting climate deniers for 30. I am holding fast to that which is good.

[tritsofme]

14. Oh, boomers are the only ones driving pickups and eating hamburgers?

What a silly post.

[Think. Again.]

22. I thnk the OP...

...asked if Boomers were mad about the burgers and pickups (that all ages are still eating and driving).

It seems to be a post that, admirably, is trying to "rally the troops".

I'm in!

[tritsofme]

29. That's not the sort of impression I got from OP.

[Think. Again.]

33. I try to...

...take a positive view of life, until I'm sure that I need to be defensive! (then all hell breaks loose!).

I've heard it called "Joyful Defiance", I kinda like that!

[Oopsie Daisy]

15. "I am sure boomers are mad about this?"

Stop. Please. Just stop.

Why?

[LiberaBlueDem]

16. Read this on another post

Post about how big tech is hurting children


" So we’re immersing kids in this culture, that tells them that “me first” is more important than cooperation; a culture that encourages them to think by impulse, to consume, consume, consume. Given the crisis of global warming, it is basically encouraging kids to adopt values that will ultimately destroy themselves and the planet."

[Think. Again.]

17. Thank you for posting this...

I'm a boomer myself and I will very proudly stand up and say:

Hell yes I am mad about this!

As the OP points out, WE, as a country, as a world, and as a species, are NOT doing anywhere near enough to confront and mitigate the damages our lifestyles are causing.

We can change this.

A recent post I just made points out that it would probably be CHEAPER for us to speed the transition away from fossil fuels than it is to continue our day-to-day use of them;

"The researchers point out, however, that coal is still hanging around like a bad smell because “considerations such as jobs, tax payments, political constraints, or financial liquidity keep governments investing in coal even when renewables actually have a better pay-off.”

It isn't an age thing, it never was, but yes, This Boomer joins with ALL the other age groups and says "Yes, I am Mad!"

[LiberaBlueDem]

19. We are all in this together

But not enough of us are mad the right way.

I am proud to say I have convinced people to put up 3 different solar arrays

[Hekate]

70. I can just feel the solidarity flowing off you with every post

[Hekate]

69. Suuuure you are

[niyad]

18. As a boomer yourself, why are you doing this?

[WarGamer]

20. The Earth will be fine...

Humans, not so much.

[LiberaBlueDem]

23. Earth's creatures are being destroyed

Less insects, less birds, less fish. Earth is harmed and that makes me mad. It doesn't have to end this way.

[WarGamer]

24. When humans are gone... the Earth will heal.

The Human era will end up being a short stain on planetary history.

I hope the next primary evolved creatures are kinder and wiser.

[LiberaBlueDem]

25. That's one way to look at it

But not my way. I want the planet to be as rich for kids as it was for me.

[WarGamer]

28. It won't be, I'm sorry

It's unstoppable.

The hockey stick...

We're on the fast track to Palm Trees in Antarctica.

Half the planet will be inhospitable and the other half wracked by war for food and water.

No amount of Teslas and solar panels will change that.

Sorry to be a downer but it's true.

Humans FA'd... and are about to FO...

[LiberaBlueDem]

30. I used to be a doomer

Just don't see a future in that

Plus a whole lot of innocent humans are gonna suffer if we don't pay attention and do what is right.

[WarGamer]

32. Doing what is right isn't enough.

If half the global population disappeared tomorrow...

And fossil fuel use dropped by 75%, CO2 levels would continue to rise for decades, triggering a quickening of CO2 release as more ice melts, etc...

We're simply done.

We should put all efforts into CO2 capture like Bill Gates is promoting... and even that is just a stop gap measure.

[LiberaBlueDem]

34. True

But if we just stop emitting co2 we would not have to build co2 capture

And the best co2 capture are trees so if we stop logging

And if we quit flying and drove nothing but solar powered EVs...

[WarGamer]

36. And that's not enough unless China, India and Africa do the same.

And they'll scream BIAS.

The West was built on dirty energy but we expect Chinese farmers to continue using oxen instead of diesel tractors?

Every American has a car or two... but we expect Indians to use mass transit?

[LiberaBlueDem]

37. We can have all solar powered autos

In fact China and India are leading that way

But..... there is of course the nuclear war game we all play.

[Think. Again.]

47. We don't have control over what other countries do...

...but we can, and should, live up to our own responsibilities.

[Think. Again.]

35. Doing what's right is all we have...

...NOT doing what's right is...doing what's wrong.

[LuckyCharms]

21. What the fuck is all of this sudden shit about boomers vs younger generations?

[Think. Again.]

27. Boomers can be a strong demographic...

I'm proud to say I'm a member of THIRD ACT https://thirdact.org/ ,

From the THIRD ACT website;

About Us

“Experienced Americans” are the fastest-growing part of the population: 10,000 people a day pass the 60-year mark. That means that there’s no way to make the changes that must be made to protect our planet and society unless we bring our power into play.

We’re used to thinking that humans grow more conservative as they age, perhaps because we have more to protect, or simply because we’re used to things the way they are. But our generations saw enormous positive change early in our lives—the civil rights movement, for instance, or the fight to end massive wars or guarantee the rights of women. And now we fear that the promise of those changes may be dying, as the planet heats and inequality grows.

But as a generation we have unprecedented skills and resources that we can bring to bear. Washington and Wall Street have to listen when we speak, because we vote and because we have a large—maybe an overlarge—share of the country’s assets. And many of us have kids and grandkids and great grandkids: we have, in other words, very real reasons to worry and to work.

[LiberaBlueDem]

31. Yeah, if we let it burn

Then all of our efforts melt. I for one, have a hard time saying too bad, so sad.

[marybourg]

38. Old tactic, generally promoted by one's enemies, called

“Divide and Conquer “.

[Think. Again.]

48. I see this post as calling for...

...unity among 'boomers'

Like Bill McKibbon's group: 'Third Act'.

Third Act is a climate action group specifically focused on the unique advantages that 'boomers' hold in today's society.

https://thirdact.org/about/

[betsuni]

53. +1

[Calculating]

39. Unproductive

What is this thread trying to accomplish other than to demoralize and divide.

[LiberaBlueDem]

40. We are all in this together

We all need to support Biden as he moves to slow the crisis.

We must elect a congress that is not in denial and together we can do just that.

[LiberaBlueDem]

41. Looks like i was wrong

Seems some people are not mad about the crisis, just personally mad that someone brought it up.

[tritsofme]

42. Or perhaps people just don't appreciate your divisive and inflammatory framing?

[sheshe2]

46. +1

[Think. Again.]

49. I don't think you were wrong...

...I think some folks have a quick defensive trigger.

[LiberaBlueDem]

51. Could be because I'm a newb?

I am shocked at some of the reactions!

[Think. Again.]

55. I think it may have more to do with...

...some personal reactions to aging.

As you can see, there are also some very positive replies that don't seem to have misinterpreted your post as an attack rather than the focused appeal that (I believe) it was meant to be.

[Hekate]

71. Not at all. It's because you are insulting as hell to all of us, not just Boomers. You got a hide...

…in this thread, so you’ll have to start another to dance around in with your little friends. Too cute by half, but not funny.

See ya around, LiberaBlueDem.

[LiberaBlueDem]

54. Could be they are closeted deniers?

It's weird.

[Think. Again.]

57. Perhaps a little guilt that our generation did indeed cause this...

...but I'm deeply grateful for those of us who are willing to accept that and act to try to correct it (as little as there is that we can do at this point).

[LiberaBlueDem]

59. Used to get such replies over on FB

Such mean replies from the deniers

Learned to just ignore such relies.

[Iggo]

52. "Quack."

[Iggo]

45. Don't fall for it, kids.

[Hekate]

58. Lot of posters chumming the water recently. Nothing to contribute but division.

[betsuni]

61. Insinuating DUers are wealthy old conservatives who don't care, same as Republicans.

Insult. We're supposed to get REAL MAD.

[Pathwalker]

66. This poser was all over another thread condemning boomers.

Now, they're playing it cute, as if no one can tell. Also, calling us closet deniers and secret conservatives. Like we've never seen this crap before.

[Hekate]

68. Yes indeed they are. Too clever by half.

[Raine]

73. Totally unnessasary unproductive snark from the Original Poster. ☹👎 nt

[Hekate]

74. Quite.

Plus their little friends. There must be 4 or 5 prancing around in circles in several threads, focused on insulting and dividing DUers. You’ll get to recognize them.

[Tree Lady]

60. Actually most of are pissed

what do you expect us to do that we haven't done?

I reuse bags, drive a Prius, live in a small house, rarely fly, vote for all people that want to help environment. When I was young we took our bottles back to the store to be reused, same with milk bottles. We fixed our appliances instead of throwing them away.

What have you personally done?

[Think. Again.]

63. Excellent!

..that's the kind of positive, pro-active attitude we need more of!

There really are too many Americans who just don't care, they don't seem to realize they are ultimately hurting themselves, their children, and their grandchildren.

And that's a great question we should keep asking ourselves:

"What have you personally done?"

[Hekate]

72. I notice you did not answer the question, Think.Again.

I guess it’s more fun poking at people who’ve done the work their whole lives.

So what have you personally done to make the planet a better place?

[Duppers]

62. K & R

[DemocraticPatriot]

64. of COURSE we are, especially any of us with children or grandchildren !!

Myself, I consider it fortunate that I have neither, for that very reason.


I recycle, I dry my clothes off of lines in the basement to avoid burning more natural gas,
and I drive as little as possible...


One unfortunate fact is that other largely populated countries like China, India and Russia are doing more damage to the environment than the United States, and no matter how green we go, we have little means to force them to improve...

Yeah, I'm getting old, and grateful that I won't have to live through what may be to come, but I do what I can....



Now, why is your post so 'accusatory' ?? Seems like part of the 'setting generations against each other' thing that some here have warned about....

Anyway, if you want to blame 'boomers' for their environmental failures, I would suggest that Republican-supporting boomers are much more to blame than anyone posting on this site.... maybe take your complaints to 'RedState' or such...