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Nevilledog

(55,131 posts)
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:05 PM Sep 2023

Why Are Republicans Playing Politics With Ukraine?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-are-republicans-playing-politics-with-ukraine

No paywall
https://archive.ph/dKDGz

No one on Capitol Hill knows exactly when sending aid to Ukraine became such a political issue.

It didn’t really start as one.

In May 2022, three months after Russia began its brutal invasion, solid bipartisan majorities in Congress voted to approve a $40 billion aid package to Ukraine. Many Republicans who went on to adamantly oppose sending weapons to Ukraine spent the start of the war positively gushing about the heroism of President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Ukrainian citizens.

Now, 15 months and $113 billion in congressionally approved aid later, a growing MAGA faction is expressing skepticism—outright hostility, really—over continued support for Ukraine, even as the besieged country demonstrably weakens the military of one of the United States’ most hostile adversaries.

Over the course of more than 30 interviews with members of Congress, The Daily Beast set out to trace exactly how and why providing aid to Ukraine became such a controversial endeavor among Republicans.

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Why Are Republicans Playing Politics With Ukraine? (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2023 OP
they work for Putin and the Oligarchs. WhiteTara Sep 2023 #1
Gee, what a surprise that the Russo-Republican Putin Party Sky Jewels Sep 2023 #2
Maybe everyone's starting to look for an off-ramp? leftstreet Sep 2023 #3
The widest, easiest, most available off ramp to the conflict thucythucy Sep 2023 #11
The only off ramp would be the complete withdrawal of Russia from Ukrainian territory. Elessar Zappa Sep 2023 #16
They want Putin to regain Eastern Europe once again. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2023 #4
The MIC makes more $$ when a cold war warms up Attilatheblond Sep 2023 #5
The article states it began with Tucker Carlson and spread when Trump parroted him. herding cats Sep 2023 #6
Putin promised to give them the full support of the Russian intelligence apparatus for 2024.... TheRealNorth Sep 2023 #7
Russian bots are all over social media now. gab13by13 Sep 2023 #17
Because Trump loves Putin. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #8
Best answer. gab13by13 Sep 2023 #18
Revenge for Zalenski not opening an investigation on Biden Meadowoak Sep 2023 #9
because they are traitors and many likely have compromat Recycle_Guru Sep 2023 #10
Bcause Biden is President and is helping Ukraine conduct an effective response to Russia andym Sep 2023 #12
Hate cilla4progress Sep 2023 #13
When The Russians Started Pressuring Republicans Deep State Witch Sep 2023 #14
My guess is that it is a "follow the money" situation. Midnight Writer Sep 2023 #15
Let's set the wayback machine to July 2016, shall we? tanyev Sep 2023 #19
The same Paul Manafort..... TheRealNorth Sep 2023 #21
Simple answer - For the same reason the play politics with anything else these days... Caliman73 Sep 2023 #20
 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
2. Gee, what a surprise that the Russo-Republican Putin Party
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:09 PM
Sep 2023

wants Ukraine to fail and Master Vlad to rule all.

They enrage me.

thucythucy

(9,147 posts)
11. The widest, easiest, most available off ramp to the conflict
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:45 PM
Sep 2023

would be a Russian withdrawal from all occupied Ukrainian territory.

All it would take is a single order from a single man.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
16. The only off ramp would be the complete withdrawal of Russia from Ukrainian territory.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 01:03 PM
Sep 2023

Unless the Ukrainian people decide otherwise.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,978 posts)
4. They want Putin to regain Eastern Europe once again.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:11 PM
Sep 2023

Treasonous BASTARDS those rootin' for Putin.

Attilatheblond

(9,214 posts)
5. The MIC makes more $$ when a cold war warms up
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:15 PM
Sep 2023

Yeah, they are compromised by Putin.
Yeah, they are devoid of ANY actual policies and need to distract voters from that reality
BUT, the MIC will hand out big donations if they make bigger profits

Just my take on their motives. And, yes, it boils down to treason, for personal profits.

herding cats

(20,056 posts)
6. The article states it began with Tucker Carlson and spread when Trump parroted him.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:18 PM
Sep 2023

My memory seems to confirm the two of them started this, I was just hazy as to which one said it first.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
7. Putin promised to give them the full support of the Russian intelligence apparatus for 2024....
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:21 PM
Sep 2023

Meadowoak

(6,606 posts)
9. Revenge for Zalenski not opening an investigation on Biden
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:30 PM
Sep 2023

"I'll need you do do me a favor though"...

andym

(6,069 posts)
12. Bcause Biden is President and is helping Ukraine conduct an effective response to Russia
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:50 PM
Sep 2023

The GOP generally does not like anything that makes Biden look good, even if their opposition ultimately hurts the world and USA.

Deep State Witch

(12,755 posts)
14. When The Russians Started Pressuring Republicans
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 12:52 PM
Sep 2023

Look a little closer. I'm sure that Bob Menendez isn't the only one taking money from a foreign government.

Midnight Writer

(25,724 posts)
15. My guess is that it is a "follow the money" situation.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 01:01 PM
Sep 2023

I personally don't believe that conservative media became so pervasive because it is a moneymaker as a business.

I think it is largely co-opted by special interests who pay for their propaganda to be spread.

tanyev

(49,666 posts)
19. Let's set the wayback machine to July 2016, shall we?
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 01:16 PM
Sep 2023

When a candidate compromised by Russia required only ONE change to the RNC platform. The rot and corruption ran downhill from there.


The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump's campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
21. The same Paul Manafort.....
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 02:27 PM
Sep 2023

That gave Kremlin spy Konstantin Kilimnik the polling data the Russians would need to use their troll army to target Democratic and Independent voters with a firehouse of bullshit, and who Trump would later pardon for lying about his meetings with Kilimnik.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
20. Simple answer - For the same reason the play politics with anything else these days...
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 01:55 PM
Sep 2023

Conservatives have always had a vision for America that was at odds with the "ideals" set forth in the Constitution. The ideals were informed by the liberalism of the Enlightenment era, even if they were never implemented fully. There were many within the coalition of founders who were pushing for "All Men" (as in mankind) to mean ALL, including women, Black people, etc... Although White Supremacy was baked into the cake of the United States, there were those who opposed the idea. Those people were never Conservatives. To be fair, I am sure there were some Conservatives and moderates who for religious reasons, may have seen White Supremacy, slavery, discrimination, etc... as sinful.

As Conservative heads toward its eventual landing place, policy has become irrelevant. What matters is POWER. So, just like a bank robber who is surrounded inside the bank, with hostages... everything becomes a bargaining chip. Because Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, actually care about ALL people; because we actually want to live up to the ideals of the Constitution, Conservatives can "bargain" with anything. We want freedom and democracy for Ukraine. We want Russia to stop invading its neighbors in a vain effort to bring back the Russian Empire. Conservatives don't care. They can use that to try to gain power. We want to use government to make people's lives better. They want POWER. Anything they can use to gain some advantage, even if it goes against what people may have thought was a deeply held principle, Conservatives will use. At the end of the day, they are working toward a society where there is a strict hierarchy, like during the times of absolute monarchy, where a small group of people are at the very top, and the rest of us are like subjects, working only to maintain the power structure. Family values, small government, fiscal responsibility, border security, tough on crime; all of that is bullshit they use to keep a base of voters together. If they are able to get it so that voting is irrelevant, we will see those talking points fall by the wayside.

We need to remember and understand that Conservatives DO NOT want to govern. They want to rule. They do not have deeply held beliefs other than that THEY deserve to be in power. Everything else would be a matter of their desires at any given time.

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