I think Nicolle Wallace's interview with Cassidy Hutchinson is the best yet.

[pnwmom]

She's been asking questions about how Cassidy got sucked into the DT inner circle, and how she managed to escape. And they've been discussing how to reach other Republicans, and to convince them to show the "little bit of courage" needed to break away, even some who are still close to Trump.

[Recycle_Guru]

1. is it up on YT yet?

[pnwmom]

2. Don't know. I'm on the west coast watching it on MSNBC right now.

[Moosepoop]

48. So far I've only found a clip of the last 12 minutes.

[Recycle_Guru]

49. I will watch this and look for others

[Srkdqltr]

3. But you like Nicole best.

[jcgoldie]

4. I don't buy her act

Poor innocent republicans with the wool pulled over their eyes by Trump. Bullshit. Poor Kevin McCarthy saw the light for a little while then fell back under Trump's influence. More bullshit. They know he's lying and they always knew he was lying and most of them are still lying about it now. I think at some point she made a calculation that she could do better for herself writing a tell all and "oh woe is me I was caught up in the code of loyalty to Trump"... its nonsense.

[pnwmom]

5. She was just out of college, first generation, and came from a Republican family,

when she started on the path that led to working in the WH. It's easy for people like us to think she should have known better. But to do that you have to ignore her life till then.

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. I agree.

And I'm not about to alienate someone with the potential to become a Democrat because of her experiences. Time will tell, but the scales have fallen from her eyes. Sure hope she lands on the bright side.

[Deuxcents]

7. I agree with you

[jcgoldie]

9. perhaps but she's not stupid

She witnessed all Trump's most incendiary shit first hand on January 6th. Now she says she heard him chanting hang Mike Pence at the TV. And then she contemplated following him to Florida. She didn't get off board for another year. Then she dropped some bombshells to the jan 6 committee and then shut up for another year until now so she can plug her book. There's no way people in her position did not know what Trump stood for, republican family or not.

[pnwmom]

11. She was in a cult, essentially. You don't understand how difficult it is to shake those bonds loose.

True, she didn't suddenly jump ship on January 6. She also didn't wait another year, as you claim. Step by step, she moved away, as the fog around her lifted, and as she reached out to people like Butterfield and Cheney.

[duhneece]

31. And she was so young. She did what she knew to do then.

She did better as she grew up and saw things more clearly.
You’re right.

[Autumn]

16. She knew. Not to mention the fact that she lied to the J6 committee when she testified.

She admitted that in her book. Don't have the link to the book but it was one of the shows

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/first-lawyer-who-advised-jan.-6-witness-cassidy-hutchinson-should-face-ethics-probe-group-tells-regulators#:~:text=Hutchinson%20had%20testified%20that%20Passantino,a%20transcript%20of%20the%20testimony.

And you said 'I don't know,' and 'I don't recall,' more than 100 times?" "Yes, in the final transcripts it was ridden with I don't knows and I ... 'I don't know,' and 'I don't recall,' more than 100 times?" "Yes, in the final transcripts it was ridden with I don't knows and I don't recall. ...

[pnwmom]

22. She followed the direction of her attorney, but then she regretted that and fired him.

She was a 24 year old Republican with no money who was following the advice of her attorney, till she gathered the strength to fire him.

With no job and no money, and in a position where she felt her life was threatened (with good reason) that took a lot of strength.

[Autumn]

24. So she didn't lie when she said she didn't recall... at J6 over 100 times? Alrighty.

Poor little girl. Buy more of her books. You can put them in the little neighborhood libraries. That way she will be RICH. RICH. RICH

[pnwmom]

32. I'm not jealous if she succeeds with this book. The more people she can reach, the better.

I wish many more R's had followed her lead.

[Hamlette]

54. she told the truth when she testified, she lied in depositions.

[Autumn]

62. You are wrong. She admitted she lied in her earlier testimony.

In “Enough,” we learn the backstory of her cinematic whistleblower moment: How Hutchinson testified privately several times while under the watchful eye of a Trump World attorney who advised her to keep her answers vague and say “I don’t recall” a lot. How she’d come to realize she could live with herself only if she told the full truth, so she backchanneled with Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), letting the select committee’s co-chair know that, if the panel summoned her once more, she’d spill it all.

[Hamlette]

64. I stand corrected

on my use of the word "testify" which I thought, in this instance, meant "in public before the full committee". I knew she'd lied to members of the committee in sworn interviews but I didn't know those meeting/interviews were called testimony. Now I do.

[Autumn]

63. Wrong. In her earlier testimony she lied. She admitted it in her book. Personaly

I think the word "perjury" came up so *she back channeled Cheney to testify again and tell everything.*

First part of that sentence is my thought, the asterisk part is from her book

[edisdead]

39. my 9 year old daughter knew he was bad.

[pnwmom]

41. Your 9 year old daughter was raised by YOU. Cassidy was raised by Republican parents

and she was the first in her family to go to college.

[edisdead]

46. Well she is my step daughter

Her father is a nutjob republican.

[inthewind21]

65. Oh please

What does her being the first in her family to go to college have to do with being a liar or not a liar? The excuses offered up for a full blown adult are mind boggling. And yes, 24 is a full blown adult. So tell me this, Kyle Rittenhouse is currently ONLY 20 years old and NOT college educated. Do you also give him a pass for his sins because of how he was raised?

[MadameButterfly]

10. it's a bit much comparing her toKevin. McCarthy

a seasoned politician who has known better for a long time and hasn't chosen to do the right thing--over and over again.

[jcgoldie]

12. She's the one who brought up Kevin McCarthy

Wallace was asking her about republicans coping with January 6th in the immediate aftermath and she was talking about how she and others struggled with some sort of feeling of duty to remain loyal to Trump. She said something about how even her "good friend" Kevin McCarthy saw the light in the days after January 6th but then poor Kev fell back under the Trump shroud. I used it because it struck me as particularly disingenuous.

[MadameButterfly]

69. I guess we just took different meaning from what she said.

You see it as disengenuous on her part. I see the difference between her and McCarthy in the final choice they made. One on the side of democracy, the other cowering under a bully.

If she thinks she'll fair better with the route she has taken, that makes her smart, not craven.
She's allowed to want to survive this and have a good life.

Between her and Kevin, I think one of them has a conscience. That's just me.

[jcgoldie]

70. I wasn't equating her with McCarthy

The part I feel is disingenuous is not that she wants to take a different path, its that by my read she is still defending republicans loyal to Trump. She was not critical of McCarthy or anyone else still supporting Trump. She was rationalizing their choices by talking about some duty to be loyal that she claims they all feel. I do not believe their actions are defensible nor genuine… they are just lying and so was she… until she wasn’t.

[MOMFUDSKI]

34. I have seen some of her interviews and

there is something hinky but I can’t put my finger on it just yet. Started reading her book (from my library) so may be able to deduce more from that. For now I try to put myself in her shoes. I LOVED Obama for his morality. If he had become a slime all how long would it have taken me to walk? It is a diehard world.

[Tree Lady]

56. I saw her on the view and I agree

something about her seems off. She would get real quiet when Whoopie would say something really bad about Trump. It was like she was there to sell books. When asked why she didn't say or do anything sooner or why she tried to work in Florida she had no real answer.

[MistakenLamb]

61. neither do i

if she went to MAL after 1/20 like the original plan, she’d still be all on board. now she’s auditioning for the next spot on CNN or MSNBC

[Mike Nelson]

8. Agree...

... I think their paths have some familiarity. I would still like someone to ask Hutchinson why drew her to Trump... his imitation of a disabled reporter? His aggressive sexual advances? His position on abortion? The Muslim ban? Admiration of Putin and his governing style?

[pnwmom]

14. She grew up in a Republican family, and sent her resume all over Congress.

She first got some other jobs that eventually led to her working for the Chief of Staff.

So it wasn't that she was "drawn" to Trump personally. She was a Republican who'd been drawn to public service jobs, and must have felt lucky to eventually wind up working for Mark Meadows.

[MOMFUDSKI]

35. Agree

on the tough questions. That would be revealing

[PCIntern]

13. She just said that if Trump is the nominee

She doesn’t know what to do: write someone in, stay home.

I mean WTF?

[pnwmom]

15. Yeah, I was disappointed, but she didn't rule out voting for the Democrat.

OTOH, if she got millions of R's to stay home, that would help.

[triron]

68. She said she might vote for a democrat or write someone in if Trump is

The nominee. She emphasized she would NOT vote for Trump.

[Autumn]

25. Yeah what the fuck is right. She doesn't know what to do

A republican just being a republican. Yes if Trump is the nominee she will yank that lever for him. Bank on it.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

29. And nearly every Repub who turned on Trump has basically said the same thing

Those leopards aint changing their spots

[Autumn]

30. Trumps values are theirs, that's why they won't turn on him.

That's the only reason they are all conflicted.

[pnwmom]

33. She clearly said she wouldn't vote for Trump. nt

[Autumn]

37. I'm going to take her at her word since she's a republican. She doesn't know what to do so

in the end she will vote her values and vote for Trump if he's the nominee. Just like she packed her nags to go to mara la dumpo to fix Trump when he left the white house. After Jan 6.

[pnwmom]

42. If you take her at her word, then you know she won't vote for Trump, because she said that.

Anyone can vote across party lines whenever they choose to.

[ecstatic]

52. I don't recall her saying that. She seemed to be saying, let's just hope he's not the nominee,

and do everything we can to make sure he's not the nominee. She didn't specify what she'd do if he were the nominee--she tossed some options out there but didn't rule out voting for trump. I may have missed something because I was multitasking but I think I listened carefully to that part because I was waiting for Nicolle to pounce. But Nicolle was gentle.

[pnwmom]

59. She said she wouldn't vote for any R candidate who didn't oppose Trump, AND she said this:

"If he's the nominee again, would you vote for him? Cassidy Hutchinson: I would not vote for Donald Trump in 2024. But I also do not want to sit here and catastrophize the scenario where he is actually the Republican nominee."

In other words, Trump being the nominee would be a catastrophe, and she's still holding out hope it will be someone else.

And if you still have any doubts, think about her situation if Trump gets re-elected. She will be near the top of the list of people he will seek "retribution" from.

[wiggs]

27. she was a bit more clear than that. it was clear she wouldn't vote for Trump. More importantly,

referring to the first debate she said there were only two candidates that would not agree to support Trump if he were the nominee and convicted (christie and Asa) and she essentially said the others should not be considered. (dems should be on this a lot more too).

Having said that....I continue to be amazed that it took so long for her to come to the conclusion that the Trump WH and many/most of the players were not good for the country. Well after Jan 6 and the inauguration....

Others have mentioned that it's hard to break away from a cult, even for a smart person. I can see that. But for a very long time, she was fine with the lies, mocking, victimhood, coordination with Russia, blackmailing Ukraine for personal gain, cozying up to world autocrats, misuse of the military, gassing protestors for a bible photo op, and much much more that is publicly known. She must have seen additional outrageous, abnormal behavior that the public isn't aware of (as have many). And I believe she feels guilt for all of it...now.

It was a good interview.

[Delmette2.0]

43. Cassidy was not in the planning of Jan 6.

She was not in the inner circle.

She could only know what they wanted her to know. Then January 6 happened. Then TGF's paid lawyer told her to forget certain things.

Her own father would not help her pay for an independent lawyer.

We all grow up a lot, in different ways, from the age of 20 to 30. Her welcome to adulthood was brutal.

We have not seen the final version of Cassidy Hutchinson's.

[dlk]

17. In Rachel's interview, she mentioned that earlier she "adored" Trump

That spoke volumes to me.

[gab13by13]

19. I don't give a damn what she was like in the past,

she ended up maybe saving our democracy. Today's Cassidy Hutchinson is a hero.

Even Saul turned into St. Paul.

[dlk]

20. True

Very little in life is black and white. The good news is she has a conscience.

[gab13by13]

18. Here is what I heard,

Cassidy speaks very softly.

1. I heard her say Donald Trump is not fit for office = she will not vote for him
2. She said Chris Christie was the only Republican qualified because he stated he would not vote for Trump.
3. I heard her say she would not write someone in or stay home.
4. That tells me that if Trump is the nominee she will vote for Joe Biden

That is what I heard

Disclaimer: unless some unknown Republican ends up getting the nomination which is highly unlikely.

[Moosepoop]

47. Here is what she said...

After expressing hope that a Republican other than Trump will nominated, she said this:

"I haven't made my mind up about who I would support if Donald Trump is the nominee, but I'm not closing any doors to supporting a Democrat or Republican or writing somebody in... or an Independent or writing somebody in."

(at the very end of the 12 minute video)

[LiberalFighter]

21. I liked the one on Lawrence and caught the last half hour on Nicolle.

Watched the local news and now watching the 3rd half hour which I expect is the beginning of Cassidy.

[Hekate]

23. Just got back from my B'day lunch, & am cranking up the DVR to watch it!

[Torchlight]

26. Thanks for the heads-up.

I'm pencilling this in for any breaks I get tomorrow!

[MiHale]

28. Very insightful interview ...

Couldn’t turn away.

[Fla Dem]

36. It was very good. Also impressed with Cassidy poise, and thoughtful responses.

[jaxexpat]

38. Republicans are only about aiding the wealthy. They are consistent on that.

Some of them may appear to be turning from the dark side but that tendency to support economic darkness will remain their trademark. It is as dangerous as a dozen Donald Trumps because it is persistent. But, like Trumpism, party adherents are blind to its promotion of societal decay.

Democracy cannot survive in a world of great wealth inequality. Concentrated wealth makes it impossible to conduct any meaningful elections of representatives. That is the real election theft.

[pnwmom]

44. She came from a middle class family and was first generation college, so she didn't come from wealth

As times goes on she'll learn that the Republican party isn't working to help middle class families, despite what her parents had taught her.

[triron]

45. Hopefully time will let her become more blue.

She still seems a bit naive and confused.

[jaxexpat]

60. It about their vote. That's the only power anybody has. Voting Republican is wasting power.

I've seen poor people vote Republican all my life. They go through life, unwittingly (and self-righteously) abetting the monopolization of wealth/power by those who wouldn't give them the time of day.

Their compelling slogan? "Vote Republican! Support your right to think you're better than you are! (...than they are)"

[inthewind21]

66. Who cares where she came from

As time goes on and everyone fawning over her rushes out and buys her book she won't give a second thought to policy or who does what because she will have achieved her grift compliments of all those who bought into her "I'm just a young child at 24, I'm really a hero, forget I stayed in the Trump WH for FOUR YEARS learning to grift act." See, she did learn a thing or two all that time she WILLINGLY stayed in the wolves den.

[pnwmom]

67. She worked in the White House less than two years, not four years.

She had another legislative job before then, not in the WH.

[Mr.Bill]

40. Very good interview.

I could have done without the several minutes they both spent worshiping Liz Cheney, though.

[trocar]

50. Absolutely Excellent nt

[ecstatic]

51. I saw part of it. NW went easy on CH after her ridiculous answer to the question

Are you voting Democratic next year?

Honestly, every interview with every former or never trumper should start that way. lol. You learn everything you need to know.

[pnwmom]

55. She said clearly she won't vote for Trump. What's wrong with her waiting to see how

the primary plays out? If she came out too strongly against all R's right now, she'd lose influence among R viewers.

[ecstatic]

57. Disagree about her being clear, but your second point is a good point.

She's not my cup of tea, but I don't have an issue with her book tour because if she can convince 1,000 people to stop supporting trump then that's a good thing.

[pnwmom]

58. Right. She's not needed to bring D's to the polls. But if she can get a significant number

of R's to reconsider -- to look at her journey and wonder if they should do the same -- then we're all better off.

[H2O Man]

53. Recommended.

It was very good.