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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 07:33 AM Oct 2023

NY Times: Why We Can't Stop Illegal Immigration? Because It Works! (No paywall)

Migrants, employers and government all conspire to evade harsh immigration laws. Because America needs the workers!


"There is one more reason the problem of unauthorized immigration has become so intractable. Over the past 20 years, incendiary rhetoric about migrants has become a powerful and popular political tool, and many elected officials now or recently in office have built their careers by wooing voters with such rhetoric. This path to power makes it difficult for them to compromise on any issue related to immigration, no matter how rational such flexibility might be given the facts of global migration and the demands of American businesses and consumers. For many of these politicians, blocking all or nearly all immigration to the United States is a top priority.

And though the Biden administration and congressional Democrats have cast themselves as more realistic on matters of global migration, they are also unlikely to spearhead much significant reform. Over the past three years, they have prioritized objectives that affect a larger portion of the electorate, like infrastructure and education bills. This also makes sense. Most voters, even Latino voters, rank immigration below the economy, education, gun policy and health care as a top concern. By definition, voters are already citizens. For most of them, rationalizing our immigration system is not a bread-and-butter issue.

Democrats like to blame Republicans for their own inaction on reform, but that’s only part of the story. The day Biden took the oath of office, his administration introduced a plan for comprehensive immigration reform, one designed to secure the borders, keep communities safe and “better manage migration across the Hemisphere.” Legislation based on that plan was introduced in the House weeks later as the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021, with 80 co-sponsors. The Oval Office, the Senate and the House were all under Democratic control. But the act died in subcommittee, along with several more modest immigration bills.

The only immigration policies that Congress can bring itself to enact, it seems, are funding more border security and ICE raids. But these actions alone will never fix America’s immigration problems. No matter what anyone says on Capitol Hill, migrants know that if they can just make it inside the United States, they will find relative safety — and plenty of work."



Why Can’t We Stop Unauthorized Immigration? Because It Works. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/01/magazine/economy-illegal-immigration.html?unlocked_article_code=_uG3S7KdEI3XI_bfTJ5LJCbdHgsEJSMFgl71tS4wxFh2Yb5WwIRSCN5YMcYCuQmjk7cKpBYvJ4gSIe8E41CA3L6pz9az2U2q06i1zRR8UUCxFTk04mYh7OQ-bjdj0KGtZ6TukoxxVu2i_GMzILbQrYSQFz74oNn9wPnV5U96dwdBtGXFiyCh1VHbqYhhmlmxQe8BqzA8Lfwmx_x8n5GcVlRTSNjfmW-UcVjzqtQiqdmDkqLtZuLxF0btlcbv23iJfaw9LuyeesSGw3KMSnzN7SAN7I5HF4kGHTCYi0uvSvz-XuSfGH_vDnKw5mRZd3h9JysYUDj-SDC7NJML0j9_jAckeQSX6Q&smid=nytcore-android-share

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NY Times: Why We Can't Stop Illegal Immigration? Because It Works! (No paywall) (Original Post) Tomconroy Oct 2023 OP
I've said this for years GreenEyedLefty Oct 2023 #1
If we TRULY wanted to limit illegal immigration, we would Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #2
That's exactly why we don't have reform. Buckeyeblue Oct 2023 #5
We actually haven't had immigration reform and amnesty since 1986 which jimfields33 Oct 2023 #6
In terms of Immigration reform dsc Oct 2023 #3
As long as fines for employing people ineligible to legally Phoenix61 Oct 2023 #4
H2b wildflowergardener Oct 2023 #7
I agree. If we allow legal immigration for the low-wage jobs we can both brer cat Oct 2023 #10
I am 75 years old, I have been hearing people complain about illegal immigrants all doc03 Oct 2023 #8
Isn't it curious? gratuitous Oct 2023 #9
Modern day slave labor inwiththenew Oct 2023 #11

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
1. I've said this for years
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 08:02 AM
Oct 2023

There is no incentive to solve a problem that is a proven winner... for R's. They enact rules that make immigration more difficult and crow about reform. Then resist and kill actual reform, then claim Democrats aren't doing anything.

Scrivener7

(51,025 posts)
2. If we TRULY wanted to limit illegal immigration, we would
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 08:17 AM
Oct 2023

impose much harsher penalties on the employers. The current penalties tend to be "cost of doing business" sized, so everyone's pockets get lined by the labor of the people who benefit least.

The powers that be don't want to limit it, they just want to appear to want it.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
5. That's exactly why we don't have reform.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 08:44 AM
Oct 2023

Certain segments of our economy depend on the cheap labor.

And let's face it, I can't remember in my lifetime Republicans ever trying to solve a problem.

Republicans are anti-civil rights. Anti social security. Anti any program that helps people in poverty. Anti protecting the environment.

The are for unchecked corporate greed. And tax avoidance for the wealthy.

They claim to be the party of god but that's only to get poor religious people to vote for them to achieve their two main objectives.

jimfields33

(16,006 posts)
6. We actually haven't had immigration reform and amnesty since 1986 which
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 08:48 AM
Oct 2023

ironically President Reagan signed into law.

dsc

(52,169 posts)
3. In terms of Immigration reform
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 08:24 AM
Oct 2023

we didn't have control of the Senate. There is no way immigration reform would qualify for reconcilitation and thus would have been filibustered.

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
4. As long as fines for employing people ineligible to legally
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 08:37 AM
Oct 2023

are nothing more than a slap on the wrist immigration laws won’t be fixed. It’s too profitable for business.

wildflowergardener

(912 posts)
7. H2b
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 09:56 AM
Oct 2023

They need to reform the H2B and other legal visa systems to allow for more legal temporary workers to come in when needed so there is not as big a market for illegal immigrants. You are penalized for trying to follow the rules. Having worked for a landscaping company where it is extremely difficult to find workers I understand why companies may turn to illegal workers when there are so many companies and industry trying for to get workers using the very limited numbers of legal visas available. Make it easier to do this legally, where fair wages and treatment are required. Unfortunately if you try to raise the number of legal visas you get complaining from people who are using this as political talking points and others who are just against foreign workers but will surely complain if there is no one to provide them services.

brer cat

(24,621 posts)
10. I agree. If we allow legal immigration for the low-wage jobs we can both
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 12:28 PM
Oct 2023

fill job requirements and protect the immigrants at the same time. They are currently being exploited and the companies using them get nothing more than a slap on the wrist if they are caught hiring them.

doc03

(35,386 posts)
8. I am 75 years old, I have been hearing people complain about illegal immigrants all
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 10:21 AM
Oct 2023

my life. Nothing gets done because there is too much money made exploiting cheap labor. Every day I hear
employers complain they can't find anyone that wants to work. We have a labor shortage and need immigration
but if they are legal they would have to pay them like everyone else. So nothing gets done.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Isn't it curious?
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 10:59 AM
Oct 2023

On immigration, it's Democrats who are steely-eyed realists, while Republicans come up with one hare-brained scheme after another, each more unconstitutional than the last. Yet, reporting on the subject is almost exclusively about the cruelties championed by Republicans, and attempts to sugar-coat their inhumanity.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
11. Modern day slave labor
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 01:23 PM
Oct 2023

You can hire them and have them work in unsafe conditions, for long hours, and low pay. What are they going to do? File a complaint with OHSA? Form a union? They have to keep a low profile to avoid arrest and detainment.

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