When McCarthy bashed the Democrats all weekend, including blaming them for his troubles, what

[JohnSJ]

did he expect would happen.

[senseandsensibility]

1. He's not a deep thinker

He was afraid of Gaetz et al. That's probably the extent of his motivation. And don't forget McCarthy was not just blaming Dems, he was lying about them as well.

[JohnSJ]

3. Obviously. An idiot. And even today on the recall he wouldn't even personally try to work with

the Democrats to save his ass, had his surrogates do that.

Democrats rightfully could never trust him

[former9thward]

7. Where is your evidence he "had his surrogates do that"

He did just the opposite. He said he did not want their help.

[JohnSJ]

9. On CNN and MSNBC they reported that Democrats were getting calls from McCarthy's

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supporters. Are you saying the MSM is lying? Where is YOUR evidence that the reporting is not valid

You always play this argumentative role no matter what anyone says, as though you are the authority on everything

You really aren’t

[former9thward]

11. Oh, anonymous sources....

And not even first hand to the media. So its complete hearsay. Funny how we believe what we want to believe depending on the content of what we are hearing.

[JohnSJ]

12. Fine, the reporter on Andrea Mitchell's show was lying. It isn't what I

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believe, it was what heard to reporters on two different networks say

Interesting how you jump to a conclusion by ASSUMING I want to believe a certain outcome which I don’t

I don’t give a rat’s ass what happens to McCarthy or whether there were republicans who tried to call some Democrats to try and save McCarthy

From my perspective McCarthy got what he deserved

[The Magistrate]

13. That's the Stuff, Sir

[Bev54]

28. NBC reporter spoke directly to a dem house member who stated that a number of them

received calls from McCarthy supporters to ask them to vote or him. The reporter did not name the dem but did speak directly to him/her

[former9thward]

45. Who are "McCarthy supporters"

That can be anyone. And what did they say? I am not as accepting of hearsay as you may be.

[Bev54]

48. Other republican house members

When a dem member tells a reporter that other republican members had been reaching out to that person and other dem members to get support for McCarthy, I tend to believe them. I am not as cynical as you.

[Rhiannon12866]

38. From NBC:

Democrats watched tape of McCarthy bashing them ahead of motion to vacate vote, Rep. Connolly says - NBC News
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017868060

[LiberalFighter]

33. Strange isn't it. I heard the same thing on MSNBC and if CNN was reporting it too...

I would believe them. Have to wonder why some consider it phony.

[JohnSJ]

47. Chris Hayes tonight said the same thing. According to "some person", we should not believe the

reporter on Andrea Mitchell, the reporter on CNN, or Chris Hayes saying it because they didn’t name the republicans or the Democrats who told the news outlets

Ridiculous

[Attilatheblond]

43. +1

[bullimiami]

2. All the dems and 8 maga dicks. He really needed a different attitude if he wanted to keep the job.

[JohnSJ]

5. An idiot is what he is. Or perhaps he likes to be humiliated?

[roamer65]

10. Or...he simply didn't want the job anymore.

That would explain his fuck everyone bad attitude.

[Rebl2]

20. That crossed my

mind too.

[calimary]

21. Discovered it wasn't as much fun as he thought it'd be, after all.

You may be onto something, roamer65.

[LiberalFighter]

34. You would have thought he had learned that from Gingrich, Ryan, and Boehner

[onecaliberal]

37. Yup. That was my thought too.

[Bev54]

49. It seems all "R's" are slow learners.

[calimary]

55. Actually no. My expectations for anybody in "leadership" on that side of the aisle are VERY low.

Kevin McCarthy didn't learn from Paul Ryan, who didn't learn from John Boehner, who didn't learn from Dennis Hastert or Newt Gingrich. and Gingrich didn't - and wouldn't - learn from ANYBODY.

If memory serves, not one of them felt they needed to learn anything from anyone or anywhere.

[inthewind21]

53. Well

Boehner and Ryan are off the hook. They knew what happened when you tried to herd cats!

[FSogol]

40. He just isn't leadership material. Of course, he isn't a decent politician or even a good advocate

for things he claims to believe in. He's a spineless jellyfish who rose to the top of a dysfunctional, anti-American political party.

[Fla Dem]

4. Exactly. He did not read the room well.

[JohnSJ]

6. Understatement

[Drum]

8. Oh my goodness, the political cartoonist are gonna be working all night!

[LymphocyteLover]

14. while McCarthy was in an impossible situation, he was still an asshole

[Bev54]

30. It wasn't impossible, he could have reached out but he didn't try, rather he did everything he

could to ensure he was not going to get help. I am beginning to think he may have another job lined up and wanted out. He got what he really wanted, his picture in congress as speaker of the house. He will be in the history books, not in a good way but at least his name will be there.

[LymphocyteLover]

50. Reached out in what way? To Dems? That would kill his support.

[Bev54]

51. Support with whom? Trump or the 10 or so radicals that were controlling him?

Had he reached out and worked with the dems and the moderates in the republican party, he would still be speaker but he was too dumb to understand that, or too tightly controlled by Trump.

[LymphocyteLover]

54. Ah, true... but he was too much in Trump's orbit to do that

[littlemissmartypants]

15. He's a simple minded, shallow opportunist. There was never any

12th level chess going to happen with him that's for sure.

[jcgoldie]

16. the political calculation

Seems to have been if he swung hard right at the end and blamed democrats like a good MAGA he could head off Gaetz... honestly in today's republican party probably a better chance of seeking that hard line purity than seeking to retain the office by cooperating with Democrats and trying to govern. The problem is that Gaetz and those who took him down don't really make any ideological sense, so playing to the right when they were playing little personal games did him no good.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. Exactly

And the entire debate for the resolution to vacate was nothing but bashing the Democratic Party.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

18. He could have stopped Trump.

F&*k him and the horse he rode in on.

[Mr.Bill]

23. While I don't like that he helped Trump,

saying he could have stopped him as a bit of a stretch. It would have to have been many more than just him. After all, he couldn't even stop Matt Gaetz.

[spooky3]

39. But wasn't that because he refused to form a coalition with Dems?

I think the Republicans could stop Trump if they are willing to risk their jobs over him. But they aren’t.

[Mr.Bill]

42. Exactly. It would have taken a coalition of people.

There isn't enough courage in the room, though.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

46. BS

The day of the insurrection he blamed Trump. A few days later he was at Mar A Lago kissing his ass. McCarthy could have done the right thing and supported the impeachment, and enough Repugs would probably have come with him. (Yes, I know the vote was in the Senate, but he could have stood up and told the truth). It would be a different world today if Republican leadership had done the right thing in 2021. He was the top Republican in the House.

[Mr.Bill]

52. We saw yesterday

how much influence he had in the House. Just like we saw it when he had to give his power away to get elected speaker on the 15th ballot.

[Evolve Dammit]

29. Yeah. That trip to MAGAT Lardo after condeming him on 1/6 was the capitulation to the king. nt

[Comfortably_Numb]

19. FAFO---Qev, Self immolating right up until the bitter end. Read the tea leaves Qev.

[calimary]

22. It turned into a bitter rend.

[Martin Eden]

24. You refused to help me, after I spit in your face!

All your fault!!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Did you watch his farewell?

[JohnSJ]

26. Just an excerpt. He complained about the 1vote to vacate rule, which HE approved

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. OMG he went on and on

[LuvLoogie]

27. I'm sure Nancy was like, "Let him twist...

Don't bail out that shit show."

Why should any Democrat vote to keep McCarthy? Now they gotta pick their next leader. Goetz caught the car.

[Bev54]

31. Too bad she missed it, I am sure she would have relished being on the floor for that vote.

She was in San Francisco for a funeral, not sure if that is for Diane Feinstein, tomorrow or another one today.

[LuvLoogie]

44. Oh, she was "there." She's still in charge.

In all the ways that matter.

[NoMoreRepugs]

32. Kevo wanted that job more than anything - in a month everyone will have forgotten him.

[littlemissmartypants]

35. His word salads will go down in history as utterly forgettable.

[Cha]

36. MAGAOONS would save him? lol

Kev's not a samrt cultee..

Wonder if California will booot him, too?