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Sascha Jovanovic should be living the good life in his private estate perched in the hills of Brentwood, enjoying the spoils of a successful career in periodontics.
But instead, he says hes scared to walk to his car because theres a woman who wont leave his guesthouse. She says she has the right to stay. So far a judge has ruled that, under the citys rent stabilization ordinance, he has no legal reason to evict her.
When Elizabeth Hirschhorns Airbnb stay ended in April 2022, she simply didnt move out. Shes been living there rent-free ever since, and she refused to budge unless Jovanovic paid her a relocation fee of $100,000, according to a settlement offer reviewed by The Times.
Jovanovic said his hillside haven has become a hell.
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Hirschhorn declined to speak directly to The Times to give her side of the story. But her attorney, Colin Walshok, said she was not required to pay rent because the city had never approved the unit for occupancy and that its shower was constructed without a permit.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-10-04/airbnb-guest-refuse-pay-leave-luxury-rental
sinkingfeeling
(57,835 posts)jimfields33
(19,382 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)September 2021 and has been squatting in ever since.
Now, as she is pictured here for the first time, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal Harvard-educated Hirschhorn did the same thing to a Bay Area landlord and cited Covid-19 in that case as well before eventually settling the case in July 2021.
Hirschhorn, who previously lived in Pasadena, California, and in Tucson, Arizona, with her elderly parents, can been seen in unearthed social media photos posing with fellow alumni at the class of 1990's 25-year reunion in 2015.
Court filings reveal the current Brentwood tenant-landlord dispute is strikingly similar to the Oakland case, which also saw Hirschhorn embroiled in a dispute over cleaning, with the man from whom she initially sublet the property moving out due to her 'hostile behavior', leaving her alone in the house where she continued to stay despite having no tenancy agreement and paying no rent.
LoisB
(13,028 posts)"occupy" it? If I were the owner, I would tear it down, at the very least remove the non-permitted shower. She is a squatting con artist and he thought he was going to make some easy money.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Just convert it back to its original use.
LoisB
(13,028 posts)Demobrat
(10,299 posts)LoisB
(13,028 posts)Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Very well done. No idea if the guy had permits.
JHB
(38,213 posts)Welcome to "hash the laws out" hell, fella.
Count me in on the "if she goes out, bulldoze it" faction. It's not approved for occupancy, so you're just complying with the law.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)He was nice..letting her stay and stay..it bit him in the ass
msongs
(73,754 posts)Celerity
(54,409 posts)Torchlight
(6,830 posts)Good luck.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Maru Kitteh
(31,761 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)Jacson6
(2,014 posts)His best option is to settle with the tenant in a cash for keys deal. 30 years ago we had a room mate that stopped paying rent and refused to leave. We paid him $500 after he moved out with all of his belongings and then gave us the keys. We then changed the locks on the door. This was in California also.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Better to go through the process to get a legal eviction for non payment and let the sheriff handle it. Even here in San Francisco you can toss people for non payment.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)it's why I never want to be a landlord.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)I dont recommend it.
brush
(61,033 posts)approval, and you just wait every month for you rent check/or automatic deposit.
They also take care of any maintenance problems (deducted from your rent check), and it tenant plans to move, they take care of inspection and that premises is broom-clean as specified in the least.
The management professional will also know the ins and outs of evictions and will specify terms in the lease so tenamts don't try fast ones, and certainly won't get their last month's rent back if they skip out overnight. But with thoroughly investigated tenants, it's very rare if that happens.
The manager will also get another tenant, rinse and repeat. Management fees and maintenance are tax deductible, bumps up your income tax return.
I used to do it myself but got smart and leave into the manager.
I've got nightmare stories to tell also but that's in the past.
DET
(2,499 posts)but not always in practice. We finally found a good management company, but there are lots of incompetents out there who will screw you over as bad as some tenants, often unintentionally (e.g., forgetting that the tenants lease is up, repeatedly fixing an appliance that could be replaced much cheaper, ). Even our good management company made arrangements to have a house totally repainted - but the painters took down and threw out all of my carefully selected and professionally installed window treatments (ultimately resolved, but I was totally pissed). Caveat emptor.
brush
(61,033 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 5, 2023, 04:44 AM - Edit history (1)
ends up with an incompetent one, that's on the property owner. .I have a 15-year relationship with the property manager I have now. I guess I got lucky.
He handled a couple of properties for me while I did a couple of others that were close my residence, I found he had more resources/experience and did a better job of screening tenants so I finally turned them all over to him.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Property managers where mine was, Phoenix AZ, wouldnt take less than two.
Maru Kitteh
(31,761 posts)I offered to help her obtain counseling, offered to help her get a storage area(s) and offered to allow a reasonable period of time to comply with making the place safe and sanitary but she rented a gigantic U-Haul and filled it full of clearance-aisle debris and probably a couple hundred mice and left.
Cured us of landlording. Yup.
NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)I found other articles about this that didn't hit an immediate paywall.
https://therealdeal.com/la/2023/10/04/brentwood-airbnb-tenant-wont-leave-or-pay-rent-for-months/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12593365/amp/Airbnb-renter-refuses-leave-LA-home-540-DAYS-judge-backs-efforts-stay-Brentwood-Hills-mansion.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.themirror.com/news/us-news/worst-airbnb-guest-stays-mansion-128264.amp
It looks like the owner made some mistakes. He installed an unpermitted shower that was never approved. He also agreed to extend the time this squatter could stay. That did him in.
Honestly he screwed up. But there are is no way this squatter should be allowed to stay there. This whole thing is ridiculous. The city fined the owner for not bringing it into compliance, but the squatter won't let him in to make repairs. I've read stories about squatters moving into deployed soldiers homes. They come home and people have changed the locks. It's crazy.
Hirschhorns attorney, Colin Walshok, said she wasnt required to pay rent because the city had never approved the unit for occupancy and that its shower was built without a permit.
The landlord broke the law and tried to make money by renting out an illegal bootleg unit, Walshok told the Times. After he was caught, instead of doing the right thing, he has resorted to bullying, harassment and the filing of frivolous lawsuits containing elaborate false stories, all in an attempt to cover his tracks.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Providing her with free housing for the rest of her life? Shes gotten plenty out of that guy. Time to get out there with a crew and take the front door off its hinges.
Takket
(23,715 posts)"You can't force my client to de-occupy this unit because you never obtained approval for this unit to be occupied."
Seems the city should condemn the unit and force her out.
msongs
(73,754 posts)Demobrat
(10,299 posts)money to get out. Yeah, no.
Cha
(319,079 posts)Bet he wishes he would have followed the Airbnb Rules. and had PERMITS
I still don't like her from what I've just read.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Shes a criminal who has no right to that property.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)September 2021 and has been squatting in ever since.
Now, as she is pictured here for the first time, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal Harvard-educated Hirschhorn did the same thing to a Bay Area landlord and cited Covid-19 in that case as well before eventually settling the case in July 2021.
Hirschhorn, who previously lived in Pasadena, California, and in Tucson, Arizona, with her elderly parents, can been seen in unearthed social media photos posing with fellow alumni at the class of 1990's 25-year reunion in 2015.
Court filings reveal the current Brentwood tenant-landlord dispute is strikingly similar to the Oakland case, which also saw Hirschhorn embroiled in a dispute over cleaning, with the man from whom she initially sublet the property moving out due to her 'hostile behavior', leaving her alone in the house where she continued to stay despite having no tenancy agreement and paying no rent.
DET
(2,499 posts)Ive had dozens of tenants in different properties over the years. Weve only had one real tenant from hell - former FBI guy with a stick up his backside. Was convinced he could bully us into breaking his lease without penalty (think Jim Jordan).
Personally, I would be extremely careful about retaliating in any way against someone like the squatter in question. The situation could quickly go from bad to worse. Its like dealing with Trump. Just because Its obvious that
, Everybody knows that
, Its just common sense
doesnt mean that the courts will see it that way. Especially when it comes to landlord-tenant issues. We owned several properties in DC and the laws are totally skewed in favor of the tenant. It wasnt uncommon for landlords to bribe deadbeat tenants to leave since its so hard to evict them. We finally decided to get out after the DC government confiscated and sold one of our reserved parking spaces (which are actually quite valuable) because of a screwup on their part. Wasnt worth fighting with DC.
If this guy doesnt have a good lawyer, then he needs to get one fast. If hes not careful, he could wind up having to turn his home over to the squatter.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)ecstatic
(35,075 posts)So what is the remedy if a friend or boyfriend won't get the fuck out? Are they allowed to stay indefinitely, rent-free as well? 🙄 Can anyone do that on California State-owned property as well?
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)They will say it's a civil matter..homeowner has to take it thru the court system
Hotels are careful not to let tenancy get established..making long termers check out every xxx days
It's important to know the law before you let a homeless friend bunk with you.
Stardust Mirror
(685 posts)If it's his property and he doesn't want her on it, he can have her trespassed.
DET
(2,499 posts)Its not even close to being that easy.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Oh I am so not sympathetic.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)Hard to pick a side when both people appear to be screw-ups.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)It appears he is probably just didn;t realize there were rules. Once he knew, he's been trying to get access to bring the dwelling in to compliabnce, and the squatter has refused.
You think she has the RIGHT to live on his property without paying rent, using his utiltieis at HIS expense, and worse, apparently damaging it?
That's a really shitty take, IMO.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Its possible that he was utterly clueless about zoning building rental and other regulations. It seems more likely to me that he was instead caught up in the tech wave of disruption of just about every aspect of economic regulation, and like lots of Airbnb landlords thought the rules no longer applied.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)to the ongoing situation. Even if he did know, thats no justification for her squatring.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)The facts reported appear to indicate that the multiple violations are relevant.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)He just didn't realize there are rules. WOW, just WOW!
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)So lets say he did know. Now what? He tried to comply. Thats documented. She refuses.
This gives her the right to live on his property without his permission and rent free?
That makes sense to you?
moonshinegnomie
(4,022 posts)step 2 when shes out of the apartment remove all appliances.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)moonshinegnomie
(4,022 posts)when they came to arrest me id demand a jury trial. explain what happened. no jury will convict her
Bucky
(55,334 posts)MagickMuffin
(18,318 posts)That should have some effect.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)Wingus Dingus
(9,173 posts)then, uh, TOTALLY BY ACCIDENT fuck it up real good? This guy needs to get creative. There has to be ways to make her life hell that are legal.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)The city has a duty to post that building as uninhabitable until it is brought up to code.
LeftInTX
(34,295 posts)No offense to California, but similar to Illinois Nazis.
California needs to get its act together. An embarrassment to Democrats across the country.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)They move into house as a roommate with squatter. If squatter calls police, they show their lease and police cant kick them out either. Most squatters move out when the consultant moves in.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)And have him/her bring along the spouse, some kids, some extended family--
Back in my flat days, people used to scream bloody murder when various Asian neighbours cooked curry or adobo or kimchi stew.
Meanwhile, it took all I had not to knock on their door with a bowl in hand and big puppy dog eyes.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)Just in case the squatter gets any ideas.