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AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:05 AM Oct 2023

Joe Biden is building the border wall

Valid criticism is allowed & I'm not going to lie, I'm very disappointed in this descion.


Link https://archive.ph/2dWnD]

‘Environmental protection advocates and immigrant rights campaigners expressed horror…over a DHS plan…that will waive more than two dozen laws in order to expedite the construction of the U.S.-Mexico border wall.’

Here's a list of environmental protections that will be stripped away to build the wall. In an age of climate change this is not good.







Link https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/biden-administration-waives-26-federal-laws-border-wall-103738662]

McALLEN, Texas -- The Biden administration announced it waived 26 federal laws in South Texas to allow border wall construction on Wednesday, marking the administration’s first use of a sweeping executive power employed often during the Trump presidency.

The Department of Homeland Security posted the announcement on the U.S. Federal Registry with few details outlining the construction in Starr County, Texas, which is part of a busy Border Patrol sector seeing “high illegal entry.” According to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded so far this fiscal year in the Rio Grande Valley Sector which contains 21 counties.

“There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas,” Alejandro Mayorkas, the DHS secretary, stated in the notice.

The Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and Endangered Species Act were some of the federal laws waived by DHS to make way for construction that will use funds from a congressional appropriation in 2019 for border wall construction. The waivers avoid time-consuming reviews and lawsuits challenging violation of environmental laws.

More at link above.












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Joe Biden is building the border wall (Original Post) AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 OP
right wing is good at what they do Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #1
Too late! FSogol Oct 2023 #2
he's buying votes? LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #7
which they wouldn't do anyway treestar Oct 2023 #124
How do you consider these actions to be by conservatives? Autumn Oct 2023 #4
I don't think it's right wing when AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #6
Hey Anti.. you Should Do some Damn REASEARCH Cha Oct 2023 #54
Ok how would you like me to do that exactly? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #64
OK I'm sorry for all that.. but now is Cha Oct 2023 #65
No need to apologize. There is still a responsibility to wnylib Oct 2023 #93
Me, too, wary, wnylib. Cha Oct 2023 #97
Check your DU mail. wnylib Oct 2023 #98
The information was available on the White House website on June 11, 2021. lapucelle Oct 2023 #101
Oh! What do I know But you Cha Oct 2023 #102
Statement from Secretary Mayorkas lapucelle Oct 2023 #104
Aloha & Mahalo lapuclle!💙 Cha Oct 2023 #105
How do you do that? Try editing your OP to wnylib Oct 2023 #92
White House Briefing Room: June 11, 2021 lapucelle Oct 2023 #100
Thank you! betsuni Oct 2023 #108
oh, the rule of law! treestar Oct 2023 #125
This OP should be shut down MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #79
agree Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #81
+1 we can do it Oct 2023 #138
Biden says there would 'not be another foot' of border wall built under his administration Autumn Oct 2023 #3
The problem is that none of those laws worked ripcord Oct 2023 #10
When has the border with Mexico and its woes NOT been plastered across the media? Autumn Oct 2023 #12
It is going to make a huge difference because of the numbers involved ripcord Oct 2023 #15
He can build the wall. It won't stop them from coming over, under or around it. nt Autumn Oct 2023 #19
The purpose isn't to stop border crossings ripcord Oct 2023 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author agingdem Oct 2023 #44
Biden's not going to lose because of the border issue. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #34
Who said he was going to lose because of the border issue? Autumn Oct 2023 #40
that's what he wanted treestar Oct 2023 #126
So what happens to money that Congress appropriates that is not used? Autumn Oct 2023 #128
This is a big mistake... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #5
The OP didn't do the Research.. the "mistake" Cha Oct 2023 #59
They could have chosen SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #69
Exactly! forthemiddle Oct 2023 #88
I don't believe the money is spent till the work starts and the bills come in. Autumn Oct 2023 #132
You should have read the responses before you commented. sheshe2 Oct 2023 #146
By the way... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #150
Okay, I now see you were #5. sheshe2 Oct 2023 #151
I have no judgement of the OP itself... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #152
Wait, what? An administration can just waive laws? leftstreet Oct 2023 #8
There's going to be A LOT AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #9
Is he just attempting to dull the knives of his political enemies? Chainfire Oct 2023 #11
This is what baffles me AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #13
Your befuddlement and bafflement sounds serious. Torchlight Oct 2023 #45
No need for your toxicity AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #52
Not toxic. Just concern. Torchlight Oct 2023 #129
or to slow an unsustainable flow if migrants Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #14
Many here are still have their heads buried in the sand ripcord Oct 2023 #16
I don't think that's true leftstreet Oct 2023 #17
Well here's suggestion inthewind21 Oct 2023 #25
That would be great legislation n/t leftstreet Oct 2023 #27
I wonder if there's a way to find out how often those laws are emforced redqueen Oct 2023 #38
We tried that ripcord Oct 2023 #42
I think e-verify is mandatory everywhere except CA. Mosby Oct 2023 #73
Only in some states and among federal contractors uponit7771 Oct 2023 #117
1.1% out of 220 million working age people is ... 2.2 million people yearly .. yeah, I would do the uponit7771 Oct 2023 #116
+1 Mossfern Oct 2023 #18
Why is there a problem at the border? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #22
The fact that just about every time a republican Mr.Bill Oct 2023 #90
That needs BIG pushback AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #91
I live 50 miles from the border Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #33
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #115
Yeah, not a huge fan of building a wall but the current situation is not sustainable. Ace Rothstein Oct 2023 #46
Because we believe if facts not MAGA amplified xenophobia uponit7771 Oct 2023 #114
I don't buy that. Chainfire Oct 2023 #20
BINGO!!!!!!!!! inthewind21 Oct 2023 #26
It isn't meant to stop immigration ripcord Oct 2023 #48
You mean the ones through legal ports of entry or what the M$M xenophobically show at "southern" uponit7771 Oct 2023 #113
I am amplifying Biden's Secretary Mayorkas who said yesterday Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #122
Maybe Biden knows this won't happen because of lawsuits... Chakaconcarne Oct 2023 #23
Great take AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #24
This is what's happening.. you deserve to know the facts.. we all do. Cha Oct 2023 #63
Did you see the Biden press conference? The money was designated for a Wall by Trump...it can't be used Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #28
And therefore the waiver on the Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and Endangered Species Act to Autumn Oct 2023 #43
you've never been through NEPA process Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #51
A NEPA process is supposed to take time. Tell us all about when you went through YOUR NEPA process Autumn Oct 2023 #53
when I worked for Bonneville Power Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #57
Walls have proved to not work. So it's not that urgent. Autumn Oct 2023 #61
go read what they are building Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #62
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #118
the optics are bad... looks like "Well I guess Trump was right" WarGamer Oct 2023 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #30
Good, get to done. I am sick of money going south. pwb Oct 2023 #31
My main issue regarding the border isn't the wall. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #32
Jesus, this thread. Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #35
+1 MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #77
Let all the countries go back to the beginning Marthe48 Oct 2023 #36
A little more research was needed before this post. This was appropriated before Biden. Nevilledog Oct 2023 #37
Go look at the timestamps AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #68
And the original posts did not contain all the info. Nevilledog Oct 2023 #74
+1, looks like Biden bashing by leaving out this gating fact uponit7771 Oct 2023 #119
Wow, if these people had spent some time looking they would have found this.... we can do it Oct 2023 #39
Ummm guess what? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #70
Why do you keep justifying this OP? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #83
TY we can do it Oct 2023 #87
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2023 #120
It was old news someone brought up in response to Biden bashing. we can do it Oct 2023 #86
You know the truth now so why not either change your OP or self delete? Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #106
SMDH sheshe2 Oct 2023 #147
The money was appreciated. No wall built, no money used. Autumn Oct 2023 #133
What??? we can do it Oct 2023 #135
It was appropriated by Congress. if the money is not used in a certain amount Autumn Oct 2023 #136
Apparently you know more the PJB how sweet. we can do it Oct 2023 #137
The information is taught in schools and is available to anyone. I'm sorry that upsets you. Autumn Oct 2023 #139
Better let the White House know too, since they have it posted on their site. we can do it Oct 2023 #141
Look up how government works or don't. Autumn Oct 2023 #143
There's a huge difference between building "border wall" and building "the border wall." gulliver Oct 2023 #41
People are getting too excited about this ripcord Oct 2023 #47
I believe... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2023 #49
Have you seen one post saying that some on the Left will not support Biden because of this? Autumn Oct 2023 #50
Wanting better things doesn't equal supporting Trump AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2023 #66
I very much disagree AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #72
"Governments are held accountable only if citizens can punish or reward the Autumn Oct 2023 #144
Are you kidding...this OP which I find lacking pertinent information, hurts Biden and helps Trump. Demsrule86 Oct 2023 #107
OP quite loud and overdone. Kingofalldems Oct 2023 #55
How exactly? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #58
AND.... MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #82
That's not true at all AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #121
"Biden approves new border wall," is a BLATANT LIE. MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #127
You are far too toxic & need to chill AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #134
Everything that they have said is correct. sheshe2 Oct 2023 #149
+1 betsuni Oct 2023 #148
Observation of the consistent can often lead to measured and valid inferences. Torchlight Oct 2023 #130
I, for one, am not going to question... dchill Oct 2023 #60
I, on the other hand, question everything. Chainfire Oct 2023 #76
My statement stands. dchill Oct 2023 #89
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #110
That's fine. dchill Oct 2023 #131
Any? Polybius Oct 2023 #142
Like you, I can only say none so far... dchill Oct 2023 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2023 #67
Waiving federal laws is pretty noteworthy leftstreet Oct 2023 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2023 #99
+1 MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #84
I love it Polybius Oct 2023 #71
Oh well. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #80
If people from South of Texas are here, staying out of trouble and contributing to society Chainfire Oct 2023 #85
Will vote for independents Gregory1230 Oct 2023 #94
Is this AI? leftstreet Oct 2023 #103
Should we start a pool on when the first lawsuit will be filed? ripcord Oct 2023 #95
This wouldn't be happening Texasgal Oct 2023 #96
disgusting Skittles Oct 2023 #109
With all due respect canetoad Oct 2023 #111
THE border wall. "I'm very disappointed ... ." betsuni Oct 2023 #112
This is likely to be ordinary, routine actions treestar Oct 2023 #123
Possibly not much choice? moondust Oct 2023 #140

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
1. right wing is good at what they do
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:09 AM
Oct 2023

suddenly everyone is all over this today. I would suggest people here do their homework on these issues and mot easily fall prey to corporate media and conservatives who are constantly looking for ways to get Democrats to lose faith in Biden administration.

LiberaBlueDem

(1,167 posts)
7. he's buying votes?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:25 AM
Oct 2023

he's gonna take the issue out of the RWNJ hands and they can't use the border against him?

Down and dirty politics?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
124. which they wouldn't do anyway
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:38 AM
Oct 2023

Biden could build TFG's wall itself and the MAGATs would still say he maintains "open borders."

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
6. I don't think it's right wing when
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:23 AM
Oct 2023

you have several activist orgs including immigration activists along with climate groups calling this out expressing their disappointment. And Indy media who's on the left is also calling this out, not only corporate media.

The right is literally using this saying they were correct all along. Including their "media outlets". That's not the same.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
54. Hey Anti.. you Should Do some Damn REASEARCH
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:55 PM
Oct 2023


Before whipping up a mob.


Yeah
The fucking "right" LIES.

Yeah, I bet the "left media"" is all over this like they always are to drag on Pres Biden.
 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
64. Ok how would you like me to do that exactly?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 03:13 PM
Oct 2023

When the tweet you shared was posted to Twitter 90 minutes AFTER my post here.

I don't have a Delorean that takes me into the future, sorry.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
65. OK I'm sorry for all that.. but now is
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 03:33 PM
Oct 2023

the time to get the truth out.

Because the magas & the factions like cornel west & greens won't care about the facts in this horrible constriction of THE WALL

wnylib

(26,014 posts)
93. No need to apologize. There is still a responsibility to
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 07:16 PM
Oct 2023

fact check before posting, especially when the posted info puts out such a negative image of Biden. The poster at Xitter managed to get the info.

I am wary of OPs that cast a negative image of Biden and other Dems, especially with the hyped up anti Biden disinformation coming from Trump and his acolytes.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
102. Oh! What do I know But you
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:36 PM
Oct 2023

lapucelle to the rescue.. Mahalo!!

Good to know and the OP should know that, too.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
104. Statement from Secretary Mayorkas
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:41 PM
Oct 2023
“I want to address today’s reporting relating to a border wall and be absolutely clear. There is no new Administration policy with respect to border walls. From day one, this Administration has made clear that a border wall is not the answer. That remains our position and our position has never wavered. The language in the Federal Register notice is being taken out of context and it does not signify any change in policy whatsoever.

“The construction project reported today was appropriated during the prior administration in 2019 and the law requires the government to use these funds for this purpose, which we announced earlier this year. We have repeatedly asked Congress to rescind this money but it has not done so and we are compelled to follow the law.

“This Administration believes that effective border security requires a smarter and more comprehensive approach, including state-of the-art border surveillance technology and modernized ports of entry. We need Congress to give us the funds to implement these proven tools.”

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/10/05/statement-secretary-mayorkas-recent-news-reports

Cha

(319,076 posts)
105. Aloha & Mahalo lapuclle!💙
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 12:02 AM
Oct 2023

My guess is this will all be coming out soon & overwhelm the "Out of Context" crap.

wnylib

(26,014 posts)
92. How do you do that? Try editing your OP to
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 07:06 PM
Oct 2023

reflect the information that you now have.

Or, since this building of a wall is so out of character for Biden, try exercising some skepticism and doing some research before posting an OP. The poster at Xitter managed to get that info, so saying that you posted before they did sounds lame. With so many members in your group ID, maybe consult with them?

When you post dubious OPs that spread negative info about Biden, you lose credibility here.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
100. White House Briefing Room: June 11, 2021
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:20 PM
Oct 2023
The White House
June 11, 2021

FACT SHEET: Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security Plans for Border Wall Funds

The Biden Administration inherited a broken immigration system – one that wasted billions of taxpayer dollars and neither kept the American people safe nor adhered to our values. Wall construction along the Southern border in recent years is just one example of the prior Administration’s misplaced priorities and failure to manage migration in a safe, orderly, and humane way.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of Defense (DOD) have developed plans reaffirming the Administration’s commitment to serious policy solutions. Under these plans, DHS and DOD are: 1) canceling wall projects funded with resources diverted from military construction and other efforts and return the remaining available funds to their original appropriated purposes; 2) ending wall expansion to the extent permitted by law; and 3) addressing safety and environmental issues resulting from border wall construction under the previous Administration.

Additionally, the Administration is reiterating its call for Congress to cancel funds it previously appropriated for border barrier projects so that these resources can instead be used for modern, effective border management measures to improve safety and security.

snip================================

Although most of the funds used for the border wall were diverted from other purposes, Congress provided DHS with some funding for border barrier projects. DHS is legally required to use the funds consistent with their appropriated purpose.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing-room/2021/06/11/fact-sheet-department-of-defense-and-department-of-homeland-security-plans-for-border-wall-funds/

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
3. Biden says there would 'not be another foot' of border wall built under his administration
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:11 AM
Oct 2023
https://www.yahoo.com/video/biden-says-not-another-foot-150640122.html

JOE BIDEN: No, there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration, number one. Number two, what I'm going to focus on, and the fact is that somebody in this group written a lot about the border. I'm going to make sure that we have border protection, but it's going to be based on making sure that we use high-tech capacity to deal with it. And at the ports of entry, that's where all the bad stuff is--



He had a great plan, I'm so disappointed in this. Those laws are protective laws.
 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
10. The problem is that none of those laws worked
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:30 AM
Oct 2023

Illegal border crossings are at an all time high and there is an election approaching. The republicans won the messaging battle when liberals complained so much about immigrants bussed to their states. We are going be to hit hard this election on the fact that we don't control our southern border anymore. Get ready to see the border with Mexico and its woes plastered across the media heading into the election.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
12. When has the border with Mexico and its woes NOT been plastered across the media?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:34 AM
Oct 2023

It's been a focus for them and the pukes for years now. Why does anyone expect it to be any different now?

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
15. It is going to make a huge difference because of the numbers involved
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:51 AM
Oct 2023

We haven't seen numbers like this at the southern border before, you can be sure that immigration will be an issue in the presidential and other elections. By agreeing to build this wall President Biden is admitting that there is a problem and that he has been unsuccessful so far in dealing with it. Expect to see a lot of picture of overcrowded shelters filled with recent immigrants around the country, it will no longer be limited to the border states because now the problem has extended beyond there.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
21. The purpose isn't to stop border crossings
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:10 PM
Oct 2023

It is to redirect around an area that simply can't take anymore people.

Response to Autumn (Reply #19)

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
34. Biden's not going to lose because of the border issue.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:24 PM
Oct 2023

Bookmark this post for November of 2024.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
5. This is a big mistake...
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:22 AM
Oct 2023

...at a time when we (Democrats and humanity alike) can not afford any mistakes.

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
88. Exactly!
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 06:05 PM
Oct 2023

If Biden disagrees with the “wall”, don’t build it.
The money was appropriated, but it doesn’t need to be spent. Save the Country the money.
I’m sure that he realizes that the border will be an election matter, and if he doesn’t have it under control the optics will kill them.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
132. I don't believe the money is spent till the work starts and the bills come in.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 12:59 PM
Oct 2023

On September 30th of the fifth fiscal year appropriations that are not used are closed or canceled, and are no longer an obligation.

sheshe2

(97,628 posts)
146. You should have read the responses before you commented.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 07:01 PM
Oct 2023

The mistake was the OP's and should be deleted.

sheshe2

(97,628 posts)
151. Okay, I now see you were #5.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 12:34 AM
Oct 2023

So what do you think about the OP now that you have read the whole thread?

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
152. I have no judgement of the OP itself...
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 01:11 AM
Oct 2023

Last edited Sat Oct 7, 2023, 02:52 AM - Edit history (1)

...but as the morning progressed, and a number of other threads came up on this same topic, my position did indeed evolve from my immediate reaction.

That evolution is probably best experienced by reading my various posts on different threads, all available in my journal. This topic took quite a few different directions here on DU, and I can't fully explain all the nuance I was following and responding to in a recap like this.

EDIT to add: My apologies, I just checked and apparently my journal, open to all, does not actually show all of the replies and responses I have made, only my original threads, and so you would not be able to see how my position on this issue, and my thoughts on surrounding issues, has developed ove the course of the day.

Suffice to say that although I still believe this could be a damaging move to both our election efforts and to the ecology of the area this project is slated for, I am more comfortable knowing Biden's point of view on this action.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
11. Is he just attempting to dull the knives of his political enemies?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:32 AM
Oct 2023

Take away an important issue of the far right?

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
13. This is what baffles me
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:39 AM
Oct 2023

I am baffled & befuddled by this.
The right is already calling this a huge gigantic win for them saying it proves they were right. It's already being used against Biden in his bid for re-election.

I honestly don't get it.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
52. No need for your toxicity
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:51 PM
Oct 2023

Do better.
There's no need to act like that. We're adults here. This isn't 4chan.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
16. Many here are still have their heads buried in the sand
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:52 AM
Oct 2023

They don't really believe there is a problem at the border.

leftstreet

(40,681 posts)
17. I don't think that's true
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:56 AM
Oct 2023

Most people here can see the media reports about the border and know there's a problem.

The issue has always been what to do about it

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
25. Well here's suggestion
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:51 PM
Oct 2023

Start nailing the employers that hire them. Now there's a novel idea. It's like putting out a giant bowl of cat food every night then being shocked you are now overrun with cats. Does anyone actually think these people are just coming to be coming? MOST come to better their lives and god only knows the US has more than enough employers who are ready and willing to to exploit them for cheap "off the books" labor. But hey, nothing like completely missing the obvious.

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
38. I wonder if there's a way to find out how often those laws are emforced
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:44 PM
Oct 2023

I remember reading that they were enforced more during Clinton's terms than Bush Jr's

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
42. We tried that
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:55 PM
Oct 2023

E-Verify was supposed to crack down on employing people without work authorization, liberals and immigration activists made sure it wasn't made mandatory because it wasn't perfect, it had a 1.1% chance to give a false flag.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
116. 1.1% out of 220 million working age people is ... 2.2 million people yearly .. yeah, I would do the
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 04:05 AM
Oct 2023

... same.

We can do better

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
22. Why is there a problem at the border?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:11 PM
Oct 2023

Well we can start with an ancient & out dated immigration system rooted in cold war ideology along with all the people fleeing their countries due to American intervention. The president of Mexico nailed it -


Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
90. The fact that just about every time a republican
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 06:56 PM
Oct 2023

elected official gets in front of a microphone they say Biden has an open border policy probably isn't helping things.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
91. That needs BIG pushback
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 06:58 PM
Oct 2023

It's literally every damn time when they're interviewed. You're right.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
33. I live 50 miles from the border
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:23 PM
Oct 2023

and undocumented immigrants cause very few problems here. It’s the natives that are responsible for most of the crime.

Ace Rothstein

(3,373 posts)
46. Yeah, not a huge fan of building a wall but the current situation is not sustainable.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:29 PM
Oct 2023

Would love to hear some ideas that actually work.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
20. I don't buy that.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:08 PM
Oct 2023

To believe that a wall will stop illegal immigration is just silly political myth. It didn't work for the Chinese, it didn't work for Hadrian, The Atlantic wall didn't work for the Germans and a Southern wall won't work for us. The wall solution makes the assumption that people from South of the border are too damn dumb to defeat a wall. I have worked shoulder to shoulder with illegal immigrants, they are not dumb; they laugh at the wall. Given standard construction tools and I as an old man could be through that wall in five minutes. For a wall to be effective, it has to be manned around the clock and if you are going to man the border around the clock, you don't need a wall.

Stopping immigration won't be done by a wall because it is an employer issue; no jobs, and the economic migrants don't come. I was working construction when a recurring national construction slowdown kicked in. Within weeks, the non-papered immigrants went home. Lock up the people who hire them and the flow slows to a drip. No one wants to admit the real problem because too many people make too much money from it, so we build silly walls with taxpayer money while the employers hire the immigrants as fast as they can find them.

The whole thing is a farce.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
48. It isn't meant to stop immigration
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:36 PM
Oct 2023

Like the border wall in California it is meant to redirect people away from an area that has been overrun and can't handle anymore.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
113. You mean the ones through legal ports of entry or what the M$M xenophobically show at "southern"
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 04:02 AM
Oct 2023

... border?

I don't think MAGA xenophobia should be amplified in any way

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
122. I am amplifying Biden's Secretary Mayorkas who said yesterday
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 09:23 AM
Oct 2023

“There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas,” he said.

Chakaconcarne

(2,787 posts)
23. Maybe Biden knows this won't happen because of lawsuits...
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:18 PM
Oct 2023

But he can say he tried and fix the narrative he isn't doing anything.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
28. Did you see the Biden press conference? The money was designated for a Wall by Trump...it can't be used
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:03 PM
Oct 2023

for anything else. Thus, my guess is Biden will allocate the money which is already only to be used for a stupid wall, But in return,we will get money for Urkaine and get funding until 24 after the election. Good for him. We need to keep the lights on.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
43. And therefore the waiver on the Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and Endangered Species Act to
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:03 PM
Oct 2023

mention a just a few important protective laws ? The money might have been designated for a wall by Trump but the money hasn't been used and in a few years that money or the balance that was allocated is canceled.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
53. A NEPA process is supposed to take time. Tell us all about when you went through YOUR NEPA process
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:53 PM
Oct 2023

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
57. when I worked for Bonneville Power
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:57 PM
Oct 2023

and dealt with many transmission line projects going through NEPA.

In general, an important process. At times, in urgent situations they can and should be waived.

Recycle_Guru

(2,973 posts)
62. go read what they are building
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 03:03 PM
Oct 2023

not just barrier. however, barriers at more populated areas are necessary and useful

that's why there are barriers for a lot of things in urban areas but mot out in the countryside

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
29. the optics are bad... looks like "Well I guess Trump was right"
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:05 PM
Oct 2023

I don't think there is much political upside for doing this.

Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

pwb

(12,669 posts)
31. Good, get to done. I am sick of money going south.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:10 PM
Oct 2023

Trumps wall feel apart already. Joe will build it right, with Union Labor.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
32. My main issue regarding the border isn't the wall.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:21 PM
Oct 2023

Sure, it would be expensive and wouldn’t prevent migration but other than that I don’t care about it. What I always opposed was the separation of children from their parents and the terrible conditions they were being held in.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
36. Let all the countries go back to the beginning
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:36 PM
Oct 2023

and stop enforcing human movement. With climate change getting worse, the migration we see now is only gong to increase.

Some of the people on the move are refugees, from politics, policies, changing geography, persecution. Some are migrants who follow work, or other opportunity. Some of the people want to immigrate and settle permanently in a new country. Some are criminals.

Humans have moved since time out of mind. I'm more familiar with what archeology discovers about prehistoric humans. This idea of tracking humans and counting heads has been around since Sumerian times, but the borders get stricter and stricter as time goes on, depending on whose territory is getting the people on the move. Even when colonists first started coming to the U.S. nobody checked them at any entry points. The Swedish government (or churches) kept track of emigration starting in the 1600s.

Enforcing borders from people trying to make a living is an extension of selfishness, not just in the U.S. but across the world. As a post mentioned, the flow at the our southern border includes a lot of people who have been harmed by U.S. policies from the 1950s into the present. Anybody remember nixon going on a goodwill tour of South America and getting attacked in Venezuela in 1958? Wonder what instigated that attack? And then Cuba in the 1960s, Central America in the 1980s, on and on. The U.S, had The Monroe Doctrine, but none of the countries south of us had the same recourse.

Living people have to be somewhere. We all need safe geography, protective government or religious institutions, economic policies that allow the poorest to obtain food and shelter. The way things are, and the way people are, I don't see a chance of any migrants' lives getting better, no matter where they are or where they go. After WWII, people in Europe and the U.S. were concerned with Displaced People (D.P.s) and tried to resettle the people who had lost everything but their lives to WWII. Then we had C.A.R.E packages and Peace Corps. We've lost our humanity and our way, and it is a shame.

Nevilledog

(55,081 posts)
37. A little more research was needed before this post. This was appropriated before Biden.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:40 PM
Oct 2023


Tweet text:

Ben LaBolt
@WHCommsDir
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The funds for ~20 miles of border reinforcements were appropriated in 2019 before @POTUS took office. He called on Congress to reappropriate the funds for smarter, more effective enforcement uses. Congress failed to do so. Rule of law requires the project be completed in 2023.

Jennifer Jacobs
@JenniferJJacobs
Replying to @JenniferJJacobs
BIDEN on border wall: “The money was appropriated for the border wall. I tried to get them to reappropriate it, to redirect that money.

"They didn't. They wouldn't.

"And in the mean time ... they have to use the money for what it was appropriated" for.

"I can't stop that."
Image
9:36 AM · Oct 5, 2023

Nevilledog

(55,081 posts)
74. And the original posts did not contain all the info.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 05:00 PM
Oct 2023

I think it's important, in this time of compromised media, that we look for official confirmation or explanation. I've certainly posted things that turned out to be wrong, or more nuanced.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
70. Ummm guess what?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 04:45 PM
Oct 2023

You may want to compare timestamps.
The tweet you posted didn't exist until after an hour & a half I posted this. SMH...

sheshe2

(97,628 posts)
147. SMDH
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 07:15 PM
Oct 2023

You should have deleted the OP when you were told the information you posted was incorrect.

Yet you leave it up, WHY!?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
136. It was appropriated by Congress. if the money is not used in a certain amount
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:31 PM
Oct 2023

of time the appropriation is closed or canceled. If I remember correctly it's like 5 years. The funds were appropriated in 2019 so what? One more year? That would explain Mayorka's need for the waivers.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
139. The information is taught in schools and is available to anyone. I'm sorry that upsets you.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:50 PM
Oct 2023

You can look it up. Try Google. Myself? I don't care if Biden builds a wall, I'm sure he will pick one that will be nice and effective to some degree. I also know he won't insist on cash kickbacks to line his pockets like Trump.

I do not like the waivers for the environmental protections.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
41. There's a huge difference between building "border wall" and building "the border wall."
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:52 PM
Oct 2023

People just have no sense of scale or proportion. We're all on our last nerve over trivia as a result.

On edit: And, of course, not all people have no sense of proportion, and not all of us are on our last nerve.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
47. People are getting too excited about this
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:32 PM
Oct 2023

California has had a 14 mile long wall on the border in the Otay Mesa area for years.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
78. I believe...
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 05:07 PM
Oct 2023

...most of the concern is about the lifted environmental laws, not the fence itself.

Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
50. Have you seen one post saying that some on the Left will not support Biden because of this?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:41 PM
Oct 2023

I haven't seen one and I have read every thread on this. Link it.

Response to AntivaxHunters (Reply #56)

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
72. I very much disagree
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 04:48 PM
Oct 2023

We're not some authoritarian club that demands hive mind thought. We're the exact opposite. We're the party of critical thinking & logic. We're the ones who realize our elected leaders aren't Gods & make mistakes. No, we're the very opposite of the other side. We're not a cult. We're the ones who are rational.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
144. "Governments are held accountable only if citizens can punish or reward the
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 02:28 PM
Oct 2023

government to influence it to pursue their best interests." I don't remember who said it but that's the only way a government of the people and for the people will work.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
107. Are you kidding...this OP which I find lacking pertinent information, hurts Biden and helps Trump.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:21 AM
Oct 2023

I am sure this is not your intention but that is what is happening.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
82. AND....
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 05:15 PM
Oct 2023

not the whole truth.

Multiple shouty tweets determined to undermine Prez Biden. Shameful.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
121. That's not true at all
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 08:14 AM
Oct 2023

I question why you single me out specifically when the General Discussion area is filled with posts very similar to mine. And multiple posts to undermine Biden? Really? Come on now. We're Democrats. We don't do whacky conspiracy theories.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
127. "Biden approves new border wall," is a BLATANT LIE.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 12:21 PM
Oct 2023

You have accused others on this thread of being "toxic." Your OP is nothing but toxic LIES against our Democratic president and his administration.

You have been informed, repeatedly, that your OP is A LIE.

You have been asked, repeatedly, to edit or self delete these LIES.

You have doubled down, dismissed proof, provided directly from President Biden and others you have repeatedly ignored, or attempted to gaslight.

I don't know who you are and I don't care. What I care about is your steadfast stubborn refusal to admit YOU ARE WRONG, and bizarre determination to amplify right wing MAGAt xenophobic LIES.

sheshe2

(97,628 posts)
149. Everything that they have said is correct.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 07:32 PM
Oct 2023

The truth is not toxic and I see no reason why they should chill.

Torchlight

(6,830 posts)
130. Observation of the consistent can often lead to measured and valid inferences.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 12:32 PM
Oct 2023

"Come on now..."

Response to dchill (Reply #60)

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
142. Any?
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:59 PM
Oct 2023

None so far with me, but if I disagreed with one I'd question it. Like if he suddenly opposed a future ban on assault weapons.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
145. Like you, I can only say none so far...
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 03:51 PM
Oct 2023

... but if he ever did something inexplicable and crooked, I'd be shocked.

Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

leftstreet

(40,681 posts)
75. Waiving federal laws is pretty noteworthy
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 05:00 PM
Oct 2023

regardless of which party is in office

I happily recc'd it

Response to leftstreet (Reply #75)

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
80. Oh well.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 05:12 PM
Oct 2023

I don’t see an advantage in hounding Biden in an election year where the fate of America is at stake.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
85. If people from South of Texas are here, staying out of trouble and contributing to society
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 05:24 PM
Oct 2023

just leave them the hell alone and let them live. If they are criminals, jail them or deport them or both. All of this screaming, hate and fear about immigration does nothing other than making sub citizens out of a substantial part of our population. The undocumented workers that get here are our American Untermensch, they are damned by the government and a substantial number of the citizens, they are mistreated and abused. They have to live with the fear of the knock on the door in the middle of the night for the crime of working for a paycheck.

They come for jobs...they come to better their families; they want the American dream, just like all of our ancestors did.
If the rednecks can't compete with our Spanish speaking inhabitants, tough shit...up your game!

If people need someone to be angry at, go after the real evil in our society, the ones with the unfettered greed for power and money. The only thing they do is swap wealth around, they don't create a damn thing, and they don't want the people who do to have a any thing. They are the danger to our society, not undocumented Hispanic Americans.

Mr. Biden, tear down that wall...



Gregory1230

(77 posts)
94. Will vote for independents
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 07:29 PM
Oct 2023

I regret to inform DU community about I will vote FOR independents, NOT for Joe. I told WH via email about border wall AS “Berlin Wall” and I think they are racists similar to Trump is DOING!

They are good job to give Trump to be FREE! I am a Democrat since 1996 so that is HUGE deal for them if they are continuing to Berlin Wall. I will campaign for independents, sorry.

Good bye DU!

canetoad

(20,769 posts)
111. With all due respect
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:56 AM
Oct 2023

You should think about deleting this post or editing it and the title to reflect the truth, as posted upthread.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
123. This is likely to be ordinary, routine actions
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:37 AM
Oct 2023

that would not make the news had TFG not made such a big deal about a Wall.

There have been walls and fences for a long time.

MAGATs are not going to vote for Biden because of this.

moondust

(21,286 posts)
140. Possibly not much choice?
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:52 PM
Oct 2023

TFG's wall project stemmed from his hate and fear of immigrants "poisoning the blood of our country.”

But now the flood of immigrants has increased so much that the wall may need to be expanded out of necessity.

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