NYT burying a story about Trump sharing highly classified secrets re: nuclear subs below the fold

[LetMyPeopleVote]

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[Blue Owl]

1. K&R for exposure

[edhopper]

2. Trump committing treason is like a Dog Bites Man story.

Oh, wait, they put that story on A1 too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/26/us/politics/biden-commander-biting-secret-service.html

[Walleye]

4. Which is funny, because I believe the story about Joe's dog is playing higher in the paper

[housecat]

26. could only be beat by story of Hunter Biden's dog

[Walleye]

32. 😆

[Walleye]

3. We shouldn't be squeamish, in ads, about accusing trump of outright espionage

I think the problem is it opens up questions into all kinds of classified information. So it doesn’t get the public attention from the Pentagon and FBI that it should

[ificandream]

5. The Times, especially Maggie Haberman, have been all over Trump about Mar-A-Lago.

Given their record on reporting about him, there's no bias.

[Bev54]

10. Haberman is the worst, working as a damage control PR person for Trump

Her stories usually bury the worst of the story and make people concentrate on the absurd instead, the fluff stuff. If you have not noticed that in previous stories start watching for it and you can see it, will jump right out, once you are aware.

[dalton99a]

29. +1. Protecting the Trumps is a Haberman family tradition

[ificandream]

56. Far from it

Read her book on him. She dug up a lot of information on him. She’s an excellent journalist.

[Bev54]

61. You mean that book that she saved many "newsworthy" stories to make a buck on

instead of reporting them in real time, which is her job. Do you not understand that even doing that she was running PR interference for Trump. She is one of the worst.

[GuppyGal]

65. That is the furthest thing from the truth

[GuppyGal]

66. She's been all over his orange ass for years yet he still keeps calling her

the fucking idiot that he is

[RAB910]

6. The MSM is in the tank for Republicans. That's why they are all normalizing Trump's criminal and

treasonous behavior

[Evolve Dammit]

34. Sure would seem that way...

[MN2theMax]

7. People noticed

From the comments (online version of article):

"Seems like the lead story to me!! Why’s it all the way down here???"

[wryter2000]

20. Is it possible to shame them?

This happens again and again. There’s always an outcry, and nothing changes

[mopinko]

24. they changed their headline this am. spun the jobs numbers as a bad thing.

cuz the fed wd have a sad.
they ended up splitting that fed bit off.

[Bev54]

8. The NY times has been like that for years, I do not understand how people don't know that

Even in their front page stories, often with a Maggie Haberman by-line, the story will focus on something absurd and bury the damaging info in a paragraph in the middle or near end. They have been acting as a PR damage control news outlet for Trump but people continue to defend them.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

9. I dropped my subscription to the NYT back in 2015

I got mad during the Clinton email non-story

[Silent Type]

11. When it comes to trump, stuff like that is not really news. It's typical. Besides, I can't imagine

any country with military analysts and spies who wouldn't already know how many warheads, etc., a sub could carry. And I doubt any country would believe anything trump said, without verification.

[stopdiggin]

16. sorry. but that completely misses the point

The fact that we had a man in office who was actually prone to these jaw-dropping, mind numbing breaches of - not only common sense and decency, but also, as it turns out, national security and interests ...

Now that IS a story - and, sorry, but it continues to be a story.

[Silent Type]

19. By now people know whether they will support trump. This story won't move the needle, even if

it were broadcast 24/7 to everyone like an Amber Alert.

[JI7]

21. It should still make top news and media shoukd ask every republican about it

just like they think it's important to ask every Democrat if some democratic official is involved in something negative.

[Lonestarblue]

23. There are still independents and others who may be waiting to see what happens with Turmp.

Not his cult, but those who could be convinced to vote for Biden. That’s why this story is important and needs attention. Trump has shown that he has no care for US national security and is willing to share top-secret information with anyone because it makes him feel important. That’s a necessary point to make about someone who wants to be president and have access to future top-secret information that he would be likely to share.

[Silent Type]

25. Honestly, this story -- about number of warheads on a sub, etc -- is not as damning as stolen boxes

of documents, plans to invade Iran, Jan 6th, etc.

I'm not a military analyst, but I bet within a few hours research max, I can give you a good estimate of warheads, range, how steathly is the sub, etc.

Concentrate on what people are likely to see as a concern.

[rubbersole]

27. Imagine the MSM outrage if Obama had done this.

[Silent Type]

31. No doubt. I still prefer to report on things that are really damning regarding trump.

[rubbersole]

36. Nuke secrets are as serious as it gets.

Your interpretation notwithstanding. The 'idea' of classified information being mishandled by HRC and a reopened investigation literally cost her the presidency. "really damning" - some people aren't bored as evidence continues to point to tfg being a Russian asset.

[Silent Type]

39. Then, let's concentrate on Russian ties, not realtively minor stuff.

[Farmer-Rick]

44. It wasn't just warhead counts

It was how close US submarines can get to Russian subs. Which tells me he was giving away locations of our subs. That's a subs major purpose to remain hidden. But no more, thanks to Trump.

[Silent Type]

45. Google- "How close can usa nuclear subs get to ships without being detected." You'll find the answer

[Farmer-Rick]

47. Will you?????

Was this before or after he blabbed?

You may think you know but frequently you don't. If it's on Google then it's got to be true....

[Silent Type]

48. LOL. But, I found answers going back years.

[Farmer-Rick]

49. Yeah, if you read it on the Internet

Than it's got to be true......

[Silent Type]

50. Nowadays, sub capabilities are not a big secret, believe it or not.

[Silent Type]

54. Does this look like a secret to you?

From Johns Hopkins University 2013

Tracking Submarines

"The world’s deadliest weapons are also the stealthiest. The United States, Russia, China, Britain, and France all have fleets of submarines that carry nuclear missiles. The most advanced of these subs are nearly undetectable and can stay submerged for months.

"A U.S. Trident nuclear submarine carries 24 missiles, each fitted with several independently targeted warheads. One of these subs carries enough explosive power to destroy every major metropolitan area in the Northern Hemisphere, according to the Federation of American Scientists.

"Today, the U.S. is by far the leader in sub-launched missile technology. But other nations, especially China and Russia, are trying to narrow the gap."

https://engineering.jhu.edu/magazine/2013/01/tracking-submarines/#:~:text=The%20world's%20deadliest%20weapons%20are,can%20stay%20submerged%20for%20months.

Here's some info by US Department of Defense:

https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Living-in-the-Deep/

And there are tons of similar articles.

Is there some super secret info? Sure. Do you think trump can remember that stuff? Doubt it.

I'm for concentrating on the stuff that really matters-- Jan 6, documents, lying, raping, etc.

[Farmer-Rick]

58. This is not what Trump gave away

I'm for holding Trump accountable for all his crimes even using top secrets documents to write grocery lists on and telling nuclear submarine positions to Australian filthy-rich Margo Loco members.

I'm NOT for minimizing his espionage.

[Silent Type]

59. Nuclear sub positions are probably obsolete within a few days, assuming

trump even knew positions. This is a guy who wonders if bleach and shining a light up one’s rear cures Covid. If the military were smart, they would have given him tons of obsolete info.

[Farmer-Rick]

69. It depends

Nuclear subs move and they may return to their previous locations if the locations are NOT compromised.

I think you should get in a sub and we send you down to a location Trump has given away. A location that Russian subs frequent. Then we tell the Russians you are there, and see how safe you feel.

It's easy to risk someone else life and minimize other people's danger.

[Silent Type]

70. Except that didn't happen, at least that we know of.

[Farmer-Rick]

71. At least that we know of.....

You said it yourself.

[Silent Type]

72. Said it on purpose.

[EndlessWire]

53. Don't you dare!

Do you really want to find out what an enemy believes about what tRump told them? Why would you minimize the damage this bastard did? He was trusted with national secrets!

It IS news that tRump sold us all out, and for what? He's a fricking spy! It's on a whole different level from anything we have ever seen.

I'm upset that you are brushing this off like it doesn't matter. You think and feel whatever you want, but if you say that it isn't news, you're gonna get pushback.

"It's typical." Of what?? Spies in general? Former Presidents? TRUMP? You gotta be kidding me. This guy needs to be in jail.

[Silent Type]

55. I'm not minimizing anything, other than this submarine junk that is not why most of us despise trump

or someone might decide not to vote for him. It won't be for this matter. In fact, within a few days, we won't even see it posted here because it's inconsequential.

[Rachel M at 6 pm]

12. Same with the app and browser versions

On both my phone and computer, you have to scroll down past 15 headlines before you see the classified secrets story

[usonian]

13. The ONLY "liberal media"

Is DU.

The rest are just …

[BComplex]

14. I'm beginning to think the media is trying to commit suicide.

If they don't quit pushing fascists and related propaganda, they will be TOTALLY CONTROLLED by fascists in the future.
The media is the reason we have donald trump to begin with.

[617Blue]

15. THIS!

I don't understand why these allegedly educated journalists don't see the threat to their own profession and perhaps their personal safety that the GOP poses.

If they can storm the House you think they can't find their way into the newsroom?

[iluvtennis]

17. Only an a-hole would share sensitive military secrets about our nuclear subs

[mahatmakanejeeves]

18. Here is today's NYT front page.

Source: https://www.freedomforum.org/todaysfrontpages/#1

Newspapers generally dislike giving credit to other sources for stories. When the NYT has had a chance to write about the story, expect it to gain prominence.

Another possibility is that the NYT has also been working on the story, except they have many more details than ABC did.

Mick Jagger made the front page of The Wall Street Journal., if it's any consolation:

[Evolve Dammit]

35. pathetic. Truly

[LymphocyteLover]

43. The old Grey Lady excuse. Or they are tilting the scales for Trump like normal

[RANDYWILDMAN]

22. The problem is the same as in 2015

If the media had not normalised all he garbage speeche, his antics, his meanness and cruelty , his hollowrallys and the making fun of anybody he didn't like, the grifting of his supporters, the grifting of his party, the sympathy to racists, the befriendiing of pedphiles (epstein)The treason and he, being in bed with Russia his attempts to ruin the government and his utter disdain for the military and his complete inability to show kindness or empathy to anybody that was not transactional and how he handled and made worse a pandemic by basically killing people with intentional misinformation.....and it continues to this day

[bringthePaine]

28. more NYT "yellowcake" fuckery - unforgivable pile of shit

[dalton99a]

30. The NYT has never been a friend of democracy or Democrats.

[Simeon Salus]

33. Ooh! I love Oscar Heyman!

squirrel!

[BumRushDaShow]

37. I spend early mornings as a "robin"

scouring for those "buried stories" and there are MANY! Stuff claiming "publication" on a news site on a specific date at a specific time that was NEVER published or linked to at that time and might show up the next day, many hours later.

They will bury "ah ha!" info in exchange for highlighting a particular German Shepherd, and keeping that link taking up page space for days and days.

And LOL @ the account name "scary lawyerguy".

[Warpy]

38. The grey lady has been corrupt for a long time

which is why my electronic subscription is to the WaPo. It was my local paper many years ago and I've always liked it, even when it lost its editorial mind during the Reagan years.

As for TFG, he's showing off his trophies. That's what those documents were to him, along with something to bargain with to keep his butt out of prison. Unfortunately for him, they are likely to put his butt into prison, more fool he.

Showing them off to the supper crowd at Mara Lardo probably didn't do any damage, I sincerely dout there are many nuclear phsicists and engineers amont that crowd, they run more to inherited money that passively attracted more money over the decades. The damage would have been done by one of the Russian or Chinese agents he's cultivated as inner circle who photographed them when he was concentrating on his beautiful chocolate cake with two scoops.

[NNadir]

40. I have never confused the NY Times with being a liberal oriented news source.

[NoMoreRepugs]

41. Shame on them.

[LymphocyteLover]

42. They are totally biased against Dems and have been for decades now! IT SUCKS!!!

[ramen]

46. I read the NYT today, which was where I found out about the nuclear sub story.

Sure, I wish it were a little closer to the top, but I had no trouble finding the piece organically. This is simply not anti-Democratic behavior.

[markpkessinger]

52. Perhaps it isn't . . .

. . . but it sure speaks to some questionable editorial choices!

[markpkessinger]

51. Meanwhile, on their website . . .

. . . they give top billing to a puff op-ed piece titled, "Confessions of a Pop-Tarts Taste Tester!" Seriously!

[RobinA]

57. How Is This

six year old NYT front page relevant today? Isn't there enough current stuff to be outraged about?

[Cha]

60. But her GD emails.. I hate the NYT.

[onecaliberal]

62. The fascist NYT loves dear leader.

[nilram]

63. A13?? Just buried. No fold about it.

Fox News cares more about national security. Ok, well, CNN at least.

[bluboid]

64. uh yup...

[mahatmakanejeeves]

67. Saturday's NYT front page:

Source: https://www.freedomforum.org/todaysfrontpages/#1

[D23MIURG23]

68. Trumps bad behavior has become unsurprising.

Not to minimize what he did, but after the Iran war plan convo and the mar-a-lago nuclear secrets shitter picture, is this surprising?

It's worth covering, but I'm not sure it's front page news.

The ball is in the government's court at this point. And that of the voters. Anyone who isn't braindead understands who Trump is, and that he doesn't think laws apply to him at all. Wrong decisions at this point can't be a consequence of ignorance.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

73. Remarkable that this story is buried on Page A13 in today's New York Times.

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[JohnSJ]

74. It lost its "liberal" aura, which it really wasn't anyway, when Judy Miller pushed the false WMD

story, and contributed to our invasion of Iraq based on a lie.