Should US send in 101st and 82nd Airborne to assist Israel?

[kentuck]

I am no military authority but I would assume this discussion is on the table.

Can you imagine 10 missiles hitting in your neighborhood? Can you imagine 100 missiles hitting the homes of your friends and family?

Hamas is saying that they fired 5000 missiles into Israel yesterday! It is unimaginable the degree of damage that has been done.

It is the worst attack on Israel since its formation as a country.

Some may believe that Netanyahu is not worthy of our support, which may be true, but Israel has been our most reliable ally in that part of the world for many decades.

[True Blue American]

1. No!

Not our war!

[Autumn]

2. No.

[Auggie]

3. No

[Raven123]

4. I assume it is not on the table.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. No.

[pwb]

6. A little early for the world war thing.

Have you seen modern air defense weapons? They spray an entire section of sky with bullets. Airborne planes fly slow and low most times. Most would be dead before they hit the ground. IMO. No.

[MineralMan]

7. I think not.

We have no business doing that. It would be incredibly stupid.

[brooklynite]

8. WHY would you assume it's on the table

Sending in US forces would make things exponentially worse.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Could this be what Iran wants? To drag the US into armed combat in the Mideast?

The US is supporting Ukraine and fighting Putin with large sums of money and huge amounts of weapons

Then we do the same in Israel?

China has been saber rattling in the Pacific. We are beefing up US military resources there too.

At the same time the GOP is crippling the US military.

Trump greatly weakened our military and intelligence community by disseminating classified information.
The CIA reported quite a few deaths and kidnapping of its assets after Trump took office.
US military has many top level vacant spots.

I am not saying we should not help Israel, or not send troops.
I am just saying we need to step back and look at the global picture.
Are we being set up?

[paleotn]

15. We're not putting US boots into Israel.

That's so dumb on so many levels even Trump would have a moment of pause. Ain't happening.

[Irish_Dem]

20. I agree, I am just discussing the OP question.

But we could send in "advisors." Since Israel's intel community and military appear
to have been compromised in some way.

[ripcord]

66. If they are holding American hostages we could put boots on the ground

There won't be any large forces brought in but I wouldn't be at all surprised if special forces teams were brought in to rescue the hostages.

[paleotn]

80. That would be one tough op.

Several magnitudes tougher than Abbottabad and Osama Bin Laden. Gaza is huge and one of the most densely populated strips of land on earth. 2 million people live in a 6 mile by 25 mile stretch that's currently an all out war zone. The risks are just as huge.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. No, escalation is not currently a good strategy

Hard to believe Israeli intelligence was caught flat-footed. The attacks feed hard-liners in all parties involved. Ominously the world is dividing into separate camps. This is a very unstable and uncertain situation. I can't even venture a guess as to the outcome. All eyes are on Republicans here at home. Which side are they on, Putin's, or America's?

[paleotn]

11. Absolutely not and unnecessary...

Hamas claims a lot of things. Iron Dome intercepted most, but was overwhelmed at times. Unlike "Hollywood" it isn't perfect, doesn't have an endless supply of interceptors and cannot manipulate space-time. But, from the video we've seen, it swatted the majority of inbounds out of the sky. Also, these are small missiles with small warheads coming from Gaza. Dangerous, but not what you might be thinking.

Israel is perfectly capable of handling this with their own personnel. Our job is to keep them supplied and work diplomatic channels.

This is not the worst attack since Israel's founding. Look up the Yom Kippur War. Worst since then, certainly, but they're not tangling with 2 nation states armed by the Soviet Union.

[CTyankee]

35. I agree with you. We must keep Israel strong in order to keep democracy strong in the ME.

[marble falls]

12. No.

[madaboutharry]

13. This is the last thing anyone wants, including the Israelis.

NO!

The Israelis do not...ever...want assistance from American forces.

That has been clear for the last 75 years and it will be clear for eternity.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

14. Not just no. HELL no

[captain queeg]

16. No. We have plenty to deal with ourselves. Israel can take care of themselves.

I don’t get what Hamas was thinking. They are going to get their asses kicked and all Palestinians are going to suffer. Maybe to derail normalization between Israel and the Arab world? Doesn’t seem like it’s going to help their cause but I don’t pretend to understand the dynamics in the Middle East.

[Ace Rothstein]

17. I don't think this is something Israel even wants.

[Wonder Why]

18. No. Neither side is willing to compromise and both contributed to the problem.

[treestar]

19. No.

These people are getting tiring, both sides. Or they did long ago.

I recall the Paris peace talks went on for years. They need a permanent Paris peace talks. Let them quit bothering the rest of the world with the "they did it too, they are worse" when both sides do terrible things to the other on the excuse of the last time the other side did terrible things to them.

[dutch777]

21. But the Russian missiles hitting Ukraine do not warrant such a debate? Israel can take care of this

Alone. Should we support them against incursion, yes, but not with our military.

[Lonestarblue]

22. Absolutely not. Israel has a powerful military capable of fighting its own wars.

And we already provide them with billions in military aid.

[walkingman]

23. Nope ☮

[David__77]

24. Fuck no.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. lol what on earth

[Celerity]

71. Others are calling for Nato to attack Russia due to Hamas.

I am sure calls to 'nuke the Kremlin' may well soon start being posted yet again.



This board sometimes.

Sigh

[aocommunalpunch]

26. Nope.

Pas. Du. Tout.

[AntivaxHunters]

27. Hell no!

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

28. That History thing...

Was thinking of the settlers being attacked, and then the army coming in to disperse (kill) the folks who were fighting for their land & culture. There is a parallel between Gaza & the West Bank & the encroachment of American Natives by white Europeans. Netanyahu knew this was going to happen, he was told & told, yet sat back for months to appease the far right in his keep me out of jail coalition. As always, the losers are the folks on both sides who will suffer, the winners are big oil, putin, and Trump, & his wacky supporters.

[2naSalit]

29. No!

[snowybirdie]

30. And hell no!

Not going there

[ratchiweenie]

31. We'd send in troops over a tiny, tiny piece of land like gaza but not over Russia's

invasion of Ukraine. Dear god no. Under Trump maybe but under Biden I pray to god not.

[Ocelot II]

32. No.

[Arthur_Frain]

33. Let me add

No.

[redqueen]

34. Good lord no

[ms liberty]

36. Absolutely not.

Hell no.

[WhiteTara]

38. NO!!! This is not our battle

I remember the Sabra and Shatilla massacres in the late 80s. Women and children pushed against a chain link fence and shot from the back while they were in a camp designated by the Israilies.

[Hotler]

39. No. The money we give them each year is enough. And I doubt that they will be there for us

if a fascist dictatorship is declared next election. Netanyahu won't be calling for the fascist to surrender to Democratic forces.

[jrthin]

40. No.

[dalton99a]

41. Nope. Israeli people know how to use a gun.

[Golden Raisin]

42. No!

[haele]

46. Not that crap again. That money has not been touched yet.

And it's monitored.
The money Iran has been able to funnel to Hamas - and Hezbollah
- for this came from illegal weapons deals to Russia and probably some other groups (such as Yeman, Somalia, Syria, Lebanon).

What you see is a push to get rid of "The corruption of Western Democracy".
Autocracy thrives on chaos that is fueled by poverty and rigid internal economic/cultural caste systems imposed on an otherwise powerless population. Democratic revolution comes from an educated middle class.

Haele

[Desert Dog]

44. Not surprised

Since Clinton left office, it seems like Israel has done whatever it wants. Bulldozing neighborhoods. Stealing land. Their domination has lead them to believe that an apartheid state is the norm. At some point the Palestinians and Hamas were going to remind them of reality. Israel can't just ignore the plight of Gaza residents.

Blaming the victim is always BS, but in this case I see the cause and effect. Hamas brutality is the reaction, not the action. I am surprised that it has taken this long. In many ways, they have been incredibly patient with the lack of action in Israel. Elections there keep wielding more conservative governments. It seem obvious that Israel does not even recognize a problem. Sadly, it should be recognizable and hard to ignore now.

If Israel is smart, they will grudgingly accept a two state solution and get busy on a compromise. When Hamas gets drones and more modern technology, the cities in Israel will start to look like Beirut. If Israel thinks they can bomb their way to peace, they are mistaken. I am not sure their current administration is capable of bold diplomacy.

[Deminpenn]

77. +1

nt

[Happy Hoosier]

45. Absolutely not.

That’s a terrible idea.

[Calista241]

47. No, the Israeli's are more than capable of fighting off and winning this war by themselves.

They probably don't want to rely on another state to guarantee their security.

[Elessar Zappa]

48. I don't think we should get involved.

Israel has a good military and can take care of the problem. The only way I’d favor US intervention is if other Middle Eastern countries got involved against Israel.

[Fiendish Thingy]

50. No fucking way.

If we’re not using our planes and troops to fight an actual genocide in Ukraine, then we definitely shouldn’t be using them to assist Israel.

[roamer65]

51. Yes in one specific case.

The safeguarding of the Israeli nuclear program.

[we can do it]

52. Absolutely not.

[Bayard]

53. Are you kidding?

[krawhitham]

54. NO

[Demsrule86]

55. No especially not without Generals...our military is weakened by the GOP not allowing

promotions including Generals.

[area51]

56. Hell to the no. n/t

[Polybius]

57. The Israeli military is exceptionally good

They don't need help taking out a group that uses hang gliders instead of jets.

[DemocratInPa]

58. It bothers me that some on here..

Always want to send our troops into conflict..

[Rhiannon12866]

75. Almost every reply to this thread emphatically said NO.

[mike_c]

59. no!

[Voltaire2]

60. Absolutely no.

Really bad idea. Also military strength is not even remotely the problem. The problem is what to do with Israel's overwhelming military strength.

[JI7]

61. I don't think they are lacking when it comes to that

the problem seems more on the ground where there are civilians and with the intelligence.

[PufPuf23]

62. No. nt

[Angleae]

63. Why? We'd just get in the way.

Israel has a rather large military, and unlike Russia, it's very well equipped, trained, and motivated.

[Owl]

64. No!

[electric_blue68]

65. No!

[NowsTheTime]

67. NO!

[jmowreader]

68. We shouldn't even send the Navy too close to Israel

During the 1967 Six-Day War, the US Navy parked an auxiliary technical research ship, USS Liberty, in international waters within intercept range of Israel. The Israeli Air Force and Israeli Navy attempted to sink her.

[Recycle_Guru]

69. uhhh---no

[Xolodno]

70. Absolutely, HELL NO!

Nor is it the worst attack on Israel. The government thought they were done for prior to the six day war, turned out the Sunni Nations were the Keystone cops in coordination. Had they worked through their differences, Israel probably wouldn't exist as a state, even Israeli's and Palestinians would be working together to rid the occupation.

Finally, this is a genetic civil war that's been going on for over a millennium, just religions are different. We can't solve this any more in any other place we had to vacate. Sad truth, you have to let them fight until they decide "I will fight no more, forever". Of course that's hard when they don't want to face the truth.

[XorXor]

72. Is there any reason to think that is even needed?

Would Israel even want that (let alone Americans)? I would think one thing that would quickly sour US popular support of Israel right now would be US troops coming home in caskets.

[Celerity]

73. No.

[crickets]

74. NO. nt

[Emile]

76. No

[Deminpenn]

78. No

[Glorfindel]

79. No.