Hamas supporters shame New York, chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".

[lapucelle]

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[Elessar Zappa]

1. Geeze.

I hope none of these idiots are representing themselves as Democrats.

[Elessar Zappa]

3. Why are they protesting now, right after a Hamas terrorist attack?

It sure looks like they’re supporting the actions taken by Hamas.

[lapucelle]

8. "Pro-Palestinian crowd cheers after speaker praises Hamas' invasion of Israel

and the number of rockets that were fired."

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[prodigitalson]

82. not a good look

[Polybius]

10. The title of the thread says " Hamas supporters"

Unless it is wrong.

[angrychair]

25. Ok

Well I don't support that obviously. There is no excuse for violence and terrorists attacks against civilians

[MorbidButterflyTat]

45. The title of the thread

Is that unknown guy's tweet.

[lapucelle]

48. He's not an unknown guy in NY Democratic Party circles or in NYC in general.

Tom Watson

Tom Watson is the president and founder of CauseWired, a consulting firm advising clients in the social sector: nonprofits, foundations and companies. Tom is a journalist, author, and consultant who has worked at the confluence of media technology and social change for more than two decades.

Tom writes an occasional column for the Chronicle of Philanthropy and he is the author of CauseWired: Plugging In, Getting Involved, Changing the World (Wiley, 2008 ) a best-selling book that chronicles the rise of online social activism. He also serves as adjunct professor in the master’s program in nonprofit management at Columbia University.

Tom’s client work focuses on education, social services, progressive causes, and the pursuit of social justice. Over the years, Tom has worked with many clients in strategic planning, case development, communications, branding development and marketing, as well as fundraising and development planning, including organizations such as the Innocence Project, Vera Institute of Justice, Sidney Hillman Foundation, Cabrini Mission Foundation, TrickleUp, North Shore-LIJ Health System Foundation, the International Center for Journalists, the Case Foundation, Save Ellis Island, the Tiger Woods Foundation, the Tuskegee Airmen, Catholic Relief Services, Christian Blind Mission, the Wealth & Giving Forum, and many others.

During his long career as a journalist, Tom has written for The New York Times, The Daily Beast, Huffington Post, techPresident.com, Social Edge, Industry Standard, Inside, Worth and Contribute magazines, among many other publications

https://www.causewired.com/

[Maru Kitteh]

49. Do you believe they are not Hamas supporters?

Evidence suggests they are. Do you have evidence that they are not?

[lapucelle]

62. The poster didn't know who Tom Watson is and therefore assumed that he is an "unknown guy".

Maybe this is a similar error.

[lapucelle]

50. No it's correct. It's taken from Tom Watson's tweet. However,

when NYC-DSA cheers a recounting of the terrorist attack, celebrates the number of rockets fired, crows to the crowd that "we" did this, and then chants the Hamas slogan, reasonable folks can make the reasonable inference that the NYC-DSA protesters support Hamas.

[edisdead]

28. that seems rather naive.

you don’t hold a rally like this right as/after people are being murdered.

[Happy Hoosier]

86. I think you know that's not true. NT

[Snooper9]

11. one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

nt

[Cha]

18. Fuck the GD Hamas Terrorist Attacks on Israel.

[Behind the Aegis]

29. Do you wonder like I do if some of the people making comments about Hamas...

...calling them "freedom fighters", feel the same about MAGA, you know, those proud Americans fighting to preserve America? Isn't it funny how MAGA and its supporters are anti-American, terrorists, but Hamas, well, just "freedom fighters"?

It is an amazing display of cognitive dissonance, among other things!

[Cha]

41. They're all sneaky ass murdering innocent

people Vile Evil Stupid Idiots..

Was 9/11 "freedom fighters".. Fuck them all. They're crazy ass Terrorists.

[JustAnotherGen]

73. This

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. The MAGAS who descended on our Capitol believe they are "freedom fighters"

Just saying ..

[Torchlight]

85. Doubtful the 600+ dead make such distinctions.

nt (redux)

[Happy Hoosier]

87. If your "freedom fighters" are...

… massacring peaceful civilian attendees at. Peace music festival, then they aren’t freedom fighters, they ate britL murders what the BS rhetoric.

[mathematic]

20. The Gaza Strip is not occupied and has been ruled by Hamas for 15 years

Oh, gosh, just down-on-their-luck Palestinians trying to avoid politics on both sides and push all the Jews into the sea. Shucks, why don't people give them a break.

Get the fuck outta here with that garbage.

[angrychair]

35. Not occupied?!?

There is a huge damn wall around them. You can't cut off electricity, food and water to people unless you control those things.
Hamas is a terrorist organization and is completely in the wrong but condemning 2 million people to death because of Hamas is just as wrong.

[mathematic]

56. No, it's not occupied. Israel does not control what happens in the Gaza Strip

Israel does not have settlements in the Gaza Strip. They do not have troops stationed there. They do not control the civil authority there. Gaza Strip is not occupied.

A border wall is not occupation. Even a blockade is not occupation. The Gaza Strip shares a border with Egypt, how come you're not complaining that Egypt is occupying the Gaza Strip? Egypt does not even allow goods across the border in normal times and you're saying Israel is not allowed to stop goods despite the de facto civil authority of the Gaza Strip declaring open war on Israel? Your pathetic both sides apologia is transparent: a standard applied to Israel not applied to Egypt or any other country in the world.

[angrychair]

61. Quote:

The United Nations, international human rights organizations and many legal scholars regard the Gaza Strip to still be under military occupation by Israel.[5] This is disputed by Israel and other legal scholars.[6] Following the withdrawal, Israel continues to maintain direct control over Gaza's air and maritime space, six of Gaza's seven land crossings, maintains a no-go buffer zone within the territory, controls the Palestinian population registry, and Gaza remains dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities

Egypt is wrong for locking the Palestinians into Gaza but to be clear they don't control their land, air and sea space and keep drones flying over Gaza 24/7 and most importantly has complete control over the food, water and electricity going into the country

[Happy Hoosier]

88. Sounds to me like they are blockaded, not occupied.

Different things.

[angrychair]

90. That's your opinion

But not the opinion of the United Nations. I'll except the opinion of the actual experts in international affairs.

[Happy Hoosier]

91. The UN can declare the moon is made of cheese

That doesn’t make it true. And the UN is a political body… not disinterested international affairs experts

[MistakenLamb]

22. You do realize the connotations of that phrase are the annihilation of all Jews right?

[Marius25]

24. From the river to the sea is code for exterminating Jews.

Israel is in between the river and the sea.

[edhopper]

32. River to the sea

Means and end to Israel and a return of all the land to the Palestinians.
Is that what you support.

[angrychair]

39. Absolutely not

I support a two state solution. Again, for the millionth time, supporting a free Palestine also means that Israel has a right to it's own country, free from terror attacks.
It also doesn't mean Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself.
It doesn't mean that Israel has the right to murder over a million people by cutting off their access to water and food.

[edhopper]

42. Okay

Thanks for clearing it up.

[lapucelle]

46. They are celebrating the attack.

"Pro-Palestinian crowd cheers after speaker praises Hamas’ invasion into Israel and the number of rockets that were fired."

Link to tweet

[Zeitghost]

63. What they are calling for

Is the destruction of Israel (from the river to the sea is your clue).

[angrychair]

64. To be fair

I didn't listen to the audio. My point was about Palestine in general. Hamas is a terrorist organization and are the only group responsible for this attack.

[Zeitghost]

65. No need to listen, it's right in the thread title.

Palestine is Hamas and Hamas is Palestine.

Trying to separate the two is like trying to separate Republicans from MAGATS.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

4. As much as I detest their slogan,

I defend their right to peacefully express their views under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

[lapucelle]

7. Of course people have a 1st Amendment right to celebrate terrorist attacks.

I don't know many people who don't defend 1st Amendment rights.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

14. +100. nt

[ripcord]

9. As long as people remember that others have a right to think they are full of shit

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. Fully agree.

I'm more of an absolutist when it comes to the 1A.

[JustAnotherGen]

74. Or

To think they want to eliminate every Jewish human being.

That chant is evil. There's a specific meaning to it.

[Polybius]

12. Depends

If they are protesting shutting off food supplies, by all means protest. If they are actually Hamas supporters, then that would be different.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. ......

If they are protesting shutting off food supplies, by all means protest. If they are actually Hamas supporters, then that would be different

I disagree with the bolded part of your post, if they are supporters of Hamas, of which I'm not, and as long as they are protesting peacefully, that is within their Constitutional right under the 1A.

[Polybius]

52. Then where do you draw the line?

What if they were Isis supporters? Personally, I think a line has to be drawn somewhere.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

53. I draw the line at actual violence,

as long as they are peacefully stating their opinions, then they have that right under the 1A, just as I have the right to peacefully call them assholes for their opinions.

That's the beauty of the 1A, I may not like what they have to say, but I will support their right to peacefully state their opinions.

[Polybius]

55. I respectfully disagree

If they are actual Isis supporters and not born here, they can be deported or jailed.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

58. Thank you for the respectful reply,

but, respectfully, I will have to disagree with you.
Peace out
Daniel

[SickOfTheOnePct]

70. That's where I am as well

As repugnant as those words are, they have every right to say them…and we have every right to judge them based on those words.

[tritsofme]

54. The First Amendment doesn't have exceptions for really bad guys.

[Polybius]

57. Isis (and Hamas I believe) are deemed terrorist organizations

I know we have arrested Isis members before, but there may be a difference between being an actual member and a supporter.

[tritsofme]

59. Definitely a distinction. Writing an op-ed on why Isis is great would be protected.

Offering them monetary and material support would not.

[Recycle_Guru]

60. my thoughts too

[DFW]

6. They kill Americans in Israel, yet use our freedoms to promote their cause in our biggest city

Those are our rules, and no one is moving to stop them from their demonstration, but they should be thankful they can do that.

"Resistance against occupation" does NOT include deliberately targeting and gunning down hundreds of unarmed civilians at a music festival. Although, I guess it is obvious from what happened over the weekend that they see it differently.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. Palestinian, pro-Palestine and Hamas are not interchangeable terms.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. Neither is Israeli, pro-Israel and Likud, and yet...

[lapucelle]

34. Of course. But when NYC-DSA cheers the attack, celebrates the number of rockets fired,

crows to the crowd that "we" did this, and then chants the Hamas slogan, reasonable folks can make the reasonable inference that the NYC-DSA protesters support Hamas.

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[LeftInTX]

67. Really...They can pound sand!

[AntivaxHunters]

16. So now apparently supporting the Palestinian people

automatically makes you a supporter of Hamas?
Ya I don't think so.

[tritsofme]

21. That slogan is a not so subtle call for Israel to be ethnically cleansed of Jews.

[Cha]

26. This does.. you didn't read all of this SHIT.

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

30. No, it's not automatic. But when NYC-DSA cheers the attack, celebrates the number of rockets fired,

crows to the crowd that "we" did this, and then chants the Hamas slogan that reasonable folks can make the reasonable inference that the NYC-DSA protesters support Hamas.

Link to tweet

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[edisdead]

36. Give me a break.

a day after Israelis are slaughters and dragged through the streets you throw a protest? Do they have the right? Sure. Are they fucking morons for doing so? That is putting it mildly. And they also let pro hamas speakers spread their bullshit.

[AntivaxHunters]

38. You give me a break

Many of us support the plight of the Palestinian people. That doesn't make us supporters of Hamas. Did you read the OP?.The author literally said "Hamas supporters" while the tweets posted say Palestinian supporters.

[edisdead]

40. wrong

nobody is talking about YOU!

We are talking about the people in the story. The people who are actually supporting Hamas. you are making it about you that is not what the discussion is.

[lapucelle]

76. Were you at the rally? If not, then this is not about you.

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[Zeitghost]

84. Palestine is Hamas

And Hamas is Palestine. Trying to separate the two is like trying to distinguish between Republicans and Magats.

[Happy Hoosier]

89. When I see a bunch of "Palestinian supporters"

Actively speaking out against the Hamas attack instead of piling on Both Sides and vague justifications, I’ll take you offense seriously. I have supported the rights of Palestinian people. I have criticized the various governments of Israel. But now is not the time for qualifications and whataboutism. When prominent Palestinian leaders condemn these atrocities, I’ll have some sympathy.

[lapucelle]

43. Where are you getting the odd talking point that those who support the Palestinian people

"automatically" support Hamas?

No one is saying that those who support the Palestinian people "automatically" support Hamas.

However, when NYC-DSA uses the inclusive "we" in a bizarre celebration of a terrorist attack, it is reasonable to say that they support Hamas.

When people tell you who they are, believe them.

[RockRaven]

27. No, it won't... So now what?

[dalton99a]

31. Winning hearts and minds

[electric_blue68]

71. Geeeezb. NOT a good look. Real "brave" while toting guns on innocent people

[ripcord]

37. "Resistance is justified when people are occupied"

Is a clear statement of support for the Hamas terrorist attack. They have a right to publicly state their opinions and I have the right to think they are supporters of terror.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

44. Nailed it!!!!!!!!

Thank you.

They have the right to peacefully state their opinions, however putrid it is to me, and I have the right to peacefully state my opinion on their opinion.

[lapucelle]

51. Today, in Times Square, NYC-DSA told you who they are.

Believe them.

[Tom Rinaldo]

80. Given the timing. Absolutely.

Gandhi was right to resist the British when they were occupying India. Context matters. In this case terrorists just slaughtered hundreds of civilians a day earlier. That was the "resistance" implicitly and sometimes explicitly being "justified."

[MorbidButterflyTat]

47. Emotions are too hot

for critical thinking.

I think since these tweets are being posted repeatedly, there should be some twitter responses:

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[lapucelle]

77. The tweets are being "reposted repeatedly" because they contain raw footage of the rally.

Not sure what posting rando twitter responses to the raw footage of the rally has to do with "critical thinking".

[LetMyPeopleVote]

66. Statement from Congressman Torres

I have grown to like and respect Congressman Torres

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

69. Thank you for sharing Representative Torre's powerful message.

I wonder what Rep. Torres thinks of the deafening silence of the New York politicians affiliated with DSA.

[JohnSJ]

68. Anyone who says targeting civilians is justified is a POS

[electric_blue68]

72. Seems to me that certain kinds of resistance Does Not (should Not)Include slaughter, and kidnapping.

😑

[lapucelle]

75. Seen at the rally.

[Mysterian]

79. Stupid assholes everywhere

Nazis parading in Florida; dumbass terror supporters in New York.

[DFW]

81. From the (Jordan) River to the (Mediterranean) Sea, Palestine will be free (of Jews). Familiar?

Let's check the map. What's between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea? Oh, yeah. Israel.

The Nazis, being able to use to conveniently agglutinative nature of the German language, were able to put their goal in one simple word: "Judenrein." Free of Jews. Anyone who has studied the Holocaust with an eye toward the slogans of the era would have recognized that one in half a second. Here in Germany, that one already has caused a shudder or two, especially considering in which city it is being chanted. New York City is usually not known in Europe for rallies celebrating killer commandos.

The attack coming on the 50th anniversary of the attack the opened the 1973 Yom Kippur War didn't escape the people here, either.

[Marius25]

83. Absolute Antisemitic idiots. They didn't even go after the supposed occupiers

Hamas murdered, tortured, and raped civilians, many of whom were international visitors. They didn't just target military. They didn't even target settlers. They targeted people in a region that Palestinians have NEVER had any claim to. Palestinians have never lived in Southern Israel. It was completely uninhabited during the British Mandate.

These idiots have absolutely destroyed the Palestinian cause. I'm seeing overwhelming sentiment from people who either weren't paying attention before, or who were sympathetic to Palestinians now completely side with Israel.