Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks

[Nevilledog]

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25

No paywall
https://archive.ph/cz3P9

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

U.S. officials say they haven’t seen evidence of Tehran’s involvement. In an interview with CNN that aired Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.”

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[Irish_Dem]

1. HAMAS did not pull off a surprise attack on Israel in a few weeks.

1. Israel is one of the most powerful countries in the world.

2. Their military is ranked #4 in the world.

3. Their intelligent services are legend and ranked 5th in the world.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-among-10-most-powerful-countries-in-the-world-in-annual-list/

So who helped HAMAS plan this attack?

[Polybius]

25. That site that puts Israel at #4 puts the US at #2 behind Russia

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/strong-military

[Irish_Dem]

33. Ha that is laughable.

[Elessar Zappa]

2. Israel is probably going to bomb Iran.

Can’t say I blame them.

[roamer65]

3. That could very well start a large Middle Eastern war.

Be careful what you want, you just may get it.

[moonshinegnomie]

5. if proven i think they will take out irans leadership

from the ayatollah on down

[Elessar Zappa]

6. Good.

[Arazi]

13. Only question is if it's a conventional bomb or nukes

There’s no way Israel holds back now.

It’s only a matter of *if* they restrain themselves and only use conventional weapons

[flamingdem]

4. We need to see sources on this article - fog of war going on

A lot of people want Iran brought down. So careful with this kind of news. Sources count.

[AkFemDem]

8. It's being reported by a bunch of media outlets

[flamingdem]

12. There are no good sources, the editor is suspect

We'll see

[roamer65]

10. Iran is now a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

Aka SCO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

RuZZia and China will come to their aid.

[Angleae]

26. Russia is incapable of coming to anyones aid. In fact, they need aid from others.

The fact they have to import munitions from North Korea so they can continue the war against Ukraine is rather telling.

[roamer65]

28. China?

[Angleae]

29. All they can do is provide material support. Their military logistics aren't up to anything else.

But by the time that support arrives, Iranian cities & military installations will likely have been leveled.

[Eko]

11. Yup.

[walkingman]

7. War...

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, uhh
War, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all
War, huh (good God)
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, listen to me, oh
War, I despise
'Cause it means destruction of innocent lives
War means tears to thousands of mother's eyes
When their sons go off to fight
And lose their lives

War - Edwin Starr

[roamer65]

20. It's good for $200 a barrel oil.

[walkingman]

22. For me just another reason for us to stop the dependency on fossil fuels.

The geopolitical expense alone makes it a no-brainer.

[roamer65]

23. That's why I get giddy when I see 45+ mpg out of my car.

$7 a gallon wouldn’t matter for me.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

24. It may not matter to you,

but what about all the others who can't afford to pay that price?
What about truck drivers like me who will typically pay more for diesel which is usuall more than gas?
How about those that can't afford to pay the higher cost of food because of $7.00 a gallon?

[Xolodno]

9. I have a hard time believing...

Shite Iran helped Sunni Hamas. But then again, if they did, Sunni's and Israeli's are taking the hit, so its a win, win for them.

[EX500rider]

14. Why not, who do you think has been funding Hamas?

[Xolodno]

15. Iran is only one Hamas financial supporter.

And that support dried up a bit when Hamas supported the other side against Assad in the Syrian civil war. They fund them just to be a pain in the ass to Israel.

But "private" funds come from Qatar, Turkey, Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia, etc. Some of its leaders are based in Turkey as well. Hezbollah is the main beneficiary of Iran. And our own government (at this time of writing) has seen no evidence of Iran being behind this attack.

[EX500rider]

16. Seems like they still send over 100 million a year:

In 2020, the U.S. State Department reported that Iran had provided more than $100 million annually to Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.


https://www.ajc.org/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-iran-backed-terror-group-hamas-and-its-attack-on-israel

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/07/hamas-terror-against-israel-sponsored-by-iran/

[Xolodno]

17. I take anything from AJC with a truck load of salt.

$100 million is a drop in the bucket. Plus we don't even know if that's cash, humanitarian aid a combination of both? The Palestinian Authority spends 1.7 Billion in Gaza and they aren't even in charge any more there. But they are probably hoping Israel finally wipes out Hamas however so they can retake the area, and I hope so as well.

https://apnews.com/article/business-middle-east-israel-foreign-aid-gaza-strip-611b2b90c3a211f21185d59f4fae6a90

Iran is just being blamed for Bibi's incompetence. They were probably just as surprised and if they were involved, we should have picked up on it. No one Iran can so much as fart without our notice.

[EX500rider]

18. The figures come right from the US State Dept Report

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Outlaw-Regime-2020-A-Chronicle-of-Irans-Destabilizing-Activity.pdf

[Xolodno]

21. OK

But its still a drop in the bucket and what Hamas is doing definitely exceeds aid they got from Iran. Nor am I any fan of the current regime in Iran, my wife's family is a refugee from there when the democratic elected government was over thrown for the Shah. We would love to visit her roots, but can't.

The world is pretty fucked up at the moment, Serbia and Kosovo look like they could go at it again. And I'm going to Egypt next month on vacation. Glad I got the trip insurance.

[Angleae]

27. Sunni's and Shite's over there will team up when it's against Isreal.

[Xolodno]

31. Very true. However...

...I'm reminded that the failure of the six day war was a result of the various Sunni nations attacking didn't trust each other and didn't coordinate. Adding a Shite and Sunni collaboration, makes that even harder. I'm still leaning towards a Muslim Brotherhood or similar backing. They have the most to gain if Saudi Arabia and Israel don't normalize relations and there are plenty of independent actors in Saudi Arabia capable of arranging this.

[Kid Berwyn]

19. Little Lachlan's all grown up.

His first push for global war. Gotta be a tear in Rupert’s eye.

[Elessar Zappa]

30. Do you really believe Iran isn't involved?

They’re one of the top founders of Hamas.

[Xolodno]

32. No, they aren't.

What they provide is just a drop in the bucket. The Palestinian Authority (PLO) provides 1.7 Billion...and they aren't even in charge of the area. But bet your sweet cheeks they are hoping Israel ends Hamas once and for all and then they can retake the area without a Palestinian civil war. And I hope so as well.

[Kid Berwyn]

34. Likely they are. My point is WSJ pushing for war.

Price of oil will skyrocket, making the rich richer.