Hamas threatens to execute hostages

[brooklynite]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/09/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/20ca7f51-27e2-5700-8e2a-9a66876a702b?smid=url-share

The spokesman for Hamas's military wing, Abu Obeida, has threatened to execute a civilian hostage every time an airstrike hits "our civilians in their homes without warning." Hamas is believed to be holding about 150 Israelis hostage.

[lapucelle]

1. CNN just reported that Hamas is threatening to broadcast the executions. N/T

[Happy Hoosier]

6. Will some here still "both sides" it? NT

[claudette]

13. War is never

"one-sided" only. Both sides - in offense and defense - commit atrocious acts against other humans.

[Happy Hoosier]

15. One side... and one side only...

… is threatening to execute civilian hostages a d post the video.

There is a long ledger of wrongs on “both sides,” but only ONE side os making that threat.

[claudette]

16. And, I'm

betting that Israel is planning a worse revenge for that horror. In a war - BOTH sides commit cruel actions. NONE of them are okay. When Militaries want to fight each other - go ahead. But killing innocent civilians (on EITHER sides) is cruel. But both sides do it.

[EX500rider]

19. One side does it by accident and the other on purpose, HUGE difference

Hitting civilians by accident happens in all wars and is not a war crime.

Surrounding a music concert and trying to mow down all the civilians there and killing 250+ certainly is and is something the Nazi SS Einsatzgruppen would do.

[claudette]

22. Oh, please

Where have you been all these years that this conflict has been going on? I'm not going to list the atrocities of each side. I'm sick of war - reading about war and seeing innocent people ON BOTH SIDES die for nothing.

[EX500rider]

24. The IDF has literally messaged Gaza civilians to vacate a Hamas building about to be attacked.

Let me know when Hamas does that

[claudette]

27. And, where can they go?

I read that food supplies to Gaza are being stopped. How does that sound?

[EX500rider]

30. Where can they go? Gaza is not one big city, it has countryside.

If you know the IDF will be bombing Hamas targets maybe get far from those?

See all the white areas?

[claudette]

33. What will they

have to return to? They are prisoners in their own land. It is a very very sad situation and I (and the Jewish members of my family) pray that some day this will be resolved.

[EX500rider]

41. They can thank Hamas for any destruction brought on by their terror attacks on Israel

And Gaza shares a border with with Egypt, they could have all the trade they need via that border if they hadn't proved to Egypt that their biggest export was terrorism. Egypt doesn't close that border as a favor to Israel you know.

[claudette]

44. Oh, this is it

I'm outta here. Israel is bombing Gaza - not Hamas. They can blame Hamas for starting this horrible mess, but you can't say Hamas is bombing and killing their own people. That is not the case.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

49. Hamas has a history of setting up munition dumps, firing points,

among the residents of Gaza, using innocent civilians as human shields, that's a fact, so directly because of Hamas, innocent civilians will die.

[onenote]

80. They could go to Egypt. Oh wait, Egypt has blockaded them.

[Happy Hoosier]

21. Wow.

When we get the video of heads being sawn off, just remember what you said here. I will.

[claudette]

25. Acts of war

committed against civilians by both sides may not be identical, but they are ALL horrific. In my view.

[PCIntern]

29. Welcome to the real world

Think Bataan Death March. Think The Holocaust. Think Ghenghis Khan obliterating villages one after another. Think Pol Pot.

This is what happens and it is what we need to destroy. Yes people will die…it’s what happens in humankind.

[claudette]

31. Not a place I

like very much at times. I just cannot understand the meanness of some people. Maybe that's why so many magats accepted the nasty orange criminal as the leader of the GOP.

[Happy Hoosier]

32. I'm going to bow out of this...

… before I say something I regret. I think you’re making arguments based in massive false equivalencies.

I think one can be critical of Israel and still condemn this cowardly massacre without having to engage in intellectually dishonest BothSidesism.

[claudette]

35. I DID condemn the cowardly massacre

I am not equating the acts of both sides. What Hamas has done and threatens to do is inhumane and I condemn it. Just remember that, with America's aid, Israel has many sophisticated weapons that could probably neutralize Gaza. NEITHER side should kill innocent civilians - period. I am sick of war.

[Cha]

67. Both Fucking Sides Are NOT

Doing What HAMAS is DOING & Threatening to DO.

[Cha]

66. Oh yeah.. how about Fucking Russia

Invading Ukraine.. and fucking DSA Protests against the USA helping Ukraine.. how Two fucking sided is THAT?

[Oneironaut]

36. Hamas is undeniably worse. Doesn't mean Israel is good, though.

Both have committed atrocities against each other.

[roamer65]

84. Yeah, it's like having to make a choice between Hitler or Stalin.

[Oneironaut]

87. I choose neither, and, everyone is falling into "You're either with us or against us" thinking again

[roamer65]

88. Yeah, the Bush Cheney 9/11 crap.

The same shit that got us into the Iraq and Afghanistan quagmires.

[Cha]

65. Oh yeah odown thread.. there's a BIG

"Both Sides"!!!!

[lapucelle]

71. The "eh" gives it away.

[Cha]

75. What are yuou even talking about?

wth doesn't that have to do with the Horrors of HAMAS?

"We" don't "count" on shit.

[Cha]

78. Never mind.. I see you're not serious.

[rollin74]

2. They said they're going to post the execution videos..

online as well

[AZSkiffyGeek]

4. Well, we can be sure that Musk will let them use Xitter to share their barbarism... nt

[ripcord]

56. If it isn't posted where everyone can see many will deny it ever happened

[claudette]

10. Whoever watches

the videos are truly sick.

[Cha]

70. Whoever makes the Vids are

Exponentially GD SICKER.

[Behind the Aegis]

74. +1

Too many trying, desperately to tip-toe around justification.

[Cha]

77. Yeah.. speaking of

sickening.

🤷‍♀️💕🤷‍♂️💕

[leftyladyfrommo]

3. Welcome to war. It's hideous and awful in every way. nt

[jcgoldie]

11. Thats not war

Its war crimes.

[claudette]

18. So is

killing innocent civilians and destroying their means of sustenance.

[Cha]

79. GD EVIL Stupid HAMAS didn't

Give a Shit about the Palesstinians.

[Oneironaut]

38. Raping and sawing civilians' heads off isn't war.

It’s being a butcher.

[onenote]

81. So we shouldn't have been shocked by the waterboarding and torture

committed by US forces?

We shouldn't have been shocked by the My Lai massacre.


Just "welcome to war" should have been our response?

[no_hypocrisy]

5. At their own peril

[roamer65]

8. I wonder if Hamas would take Netanyahu in exchange for the hostages.

Fair trade, IMO.

[claudette]

9. That is so sad

Innocent civilians on both sides are paying a steep price for the hatred that exists on both sides.

[redqueen]

26. +1

These discussions and their referral to caring about Palestinians as 'both sides'ing are making me feel ill

Hamas and their supporters are not Palestine
Netanyahu and his ilk are not Israel

[MorbidButterflyTat]

37. Right there with you.

Hamas and their supporters are not Palestine
Netanyahu and his ilk are not Israel

[claudette]

45. Exactly!

Well said. Innocent victims in Israel and Palestine need our compassion and support.

[Cha]

64. "Both Sides"!!!!!!!!! Did

Israel take Hostages and fucking threaten to Execute them?!!

Sickening.

[Fozzledick]

85. "Both sides are bad so blame the Jews" is getting really old

[Maru Kitteh]

12. But, but, but BOTH SIDES! Won't someone please spare a feels for the terrorist executioners?

[lapucelle]

28. It's already happening upthread.

[claudette]

39. Do you deny

that Israel has responded to the attack? There are BOTH SIDES in a war. They may not be equal - but there are two sides. I'm against ALL war - period.

[AntivaxHunters]

47. Thank you

[Zeitghost]

48. Now do Ukraine

n/t

[lapucelle]

51. What are you even talking about? The Hamas terrorist attack was a terrorist attack.

It was planned and executed as a wholesale slaughter and kidnapping of innocent civilians.

THERE IS ONE TERRORIST GROUP ON ONE SIDE THAT ENGAGED IN A TERRORIST ATTACK: HAMAS.

And in the end, the attack was a horrible betrayal of the Palestinian people BY HAMAS.

There are no two sides here.

[claudette]

53. I give up

There are always two sides in a war - it only takes ONE side to start it. bye.

[lapucelle]

54. A terrorist attack on civilians is not a war. N/T

[claudette]

55. What is it, then?

It becomes a war when the victim country responds to an attack on civilians. See how that works?

[lapucelle]

58. A terrorist attack on civilians is a terrorist attack on civilians.

If a terrorist attack on civilians leads to war, then that is on the terrorists. Period. Full stop.

Hamas betrayed the Palestinian people.

See how that works?

[Cha]

83. Mahalo for explaining that so Clearly

to the "Both Sides" person.

🤷‍♂️💕🤷‍♀️💕

[Mr.Bill]

92. If it isn't yet, it's about to be. n/t

[Cha]

73. NO You're WRONG.. There Are

NOT "always two sides to war"..

Ever Notice Fucking Russia Invading Ukraine and killing innocent Children and Raping Women? Committing War Crines?

And, Fucking DSA protesting against the US helping Ukraine.

Fuck DSA Putin Suckups.

[claudette]

94. What is meant

is that BOTH sides have innocent victims in a conflict no matter Who Started the war. I’m not blaming Israel for starting the war. Hamas did that. But both sides cause suffering no matter who is to blame for starting it.

[Cha]

95. And, Ukraine did nothing but stand for Democracy..

Not Always "both sides"..

This was Russia's War of Aggression on Democracy full of Lies and Gaslight.

[claudette]

96. Again

The point is missed that there are innocent victims on both sides even though Ukraine did not start the war.

[mcar]

61. What should they have done?

Say 'thank you, sir, here's a few more children and Holocaust survivors to take hostage?'

[The Magistrate]

97. This Is Semantic Subterfuge, Ma'am

There are of course two sides to any war, as both seek inimicable goals. This does not mean that the conduct and aims of both sides necessarily have some roughly equivalent legal or moral weight. Which is what pointing out 'there's two sides to every quarrel' is generally employed to suggest. In this instance, one side has chosen to commit mass atrocity, in the apparent belief they have the moral right to do so. In doing this, they have forfeited any right to claim righteousness for their cause, and given their enemy political license to take, should they choose to do so, atrocious actions of their own in destroying a crew of murderous outlaws. They have removed any moral argument against their enemy doing so, and left only expediency and contingency as checks on their foe's behavior.

[Kennah]

14. Israel has a history of bold action rescuing hostages (e.g. Entebbe)

There was a time when it was only them and the UK that had an elite hostage rescue team

[moonshinegnomie]

17. Start chaining convicted hamas terrorists to vehiclex

Chain them to tanks jeeps and other vehicles. Is Hana’s shouts at them they will be killing their own people. If Hamas wants to kill hostages then Israel should respond in kind

[claudette]

20. That's how

one side becomes like other.

[moonshinegnomie]

50. Big difference

These are convicted terrorists. Not women and children

[Cha]

86. Yeah, you would think that

would be Obvious!!

[Fozzledick]

91. Hamas couldn't care less.

They routinely use their own illegal child soldiers as literal cannon fodder to shield their veteran troops.

[sarisataka]

23. I came here hoping to be disappointed

Sadly I was not

[Elessar Zappa]

34. Most people on this site know who's to blame for this.

It’s a loud minority that excuses Hamas and tries to “both sides” the situation.

[redqueen]

42. Who has excused Hamas? nt

[MorbidButterflyTat]

43. No

Nobody has excused Hamas.

Hamas does NOT represent all Palestinians.

Just like MAGAts do not represent all Americans.

[claudette]

46. Nobody is excusing Hamas

I'm certainly not.

[lapucelle]

60. "There are two sides to this 'war': the terrorists and the innocent civilians who were slaughtered."

[MarineCombatEngineer]

40. Sadly,

I wasn't either, but on the brighter side, the vast majority of DUer's know who is to blame for this atrocity.

[Behind the Aegis]

57. Masks are dropping hard and true colors shining thru.

Bothsiderism, whataboutism, speaking out of both sides of the mouth (but...but...but) and more condemnation of shit that has not happened. I will say, though, it isn't as bad has it has been in the past and the anti-Semitism this go around is much, much lessened, so at least there is that.

[maxsolomon]

52. I'd surmise Israelis have already steeled themselves for this eventuality.

When Hamas executes a 3-year-old, or a 5-year-old, or their mother, or an 85 year old, then releases a video, there won't be much sympathy heading their way. They know that, and they know they'll get far more than 150 airstrikes. They're going to get barraged like a Ukrainian town.

The other hostages are the Gazans who want no part of these atrocities. Probably 100s of 1000s of them. A million-plus.

[Disaffected]

59. IMO it's a fool's errand to get involved

in this who's in the right/who's in the wrong "debate" but suffice to say the vindictive shit-flinging seen in this thread is a sad spectacle indeed.

[Mosby]

62. Israel should close the Temple Mount to tourists

Until all the hostages are released. It might help motivate Jordan, gulf states etc to get involved and talk some sense into Hamas.

I just hope Bibi understands that the hostages need to be the number one priority, even more important than degrading Hamas's ability to make war.

It's a symbolic act that will resonate in the Muslim world, without anyone getting hurt.

[roamer65]

82. It will start a large Middle Eastern war.

[Mosby]

89. No it won't

There is no country in the region that can come close to matching the IDF and I'd even include Turkey in my assessment. The US brought a carrier group into the Med to keep a close leash on Russia.

[roamer65]

90. The IDF didn't stop this Hamas terrorist attack.

Seems pretty weak to me.

[Cowboy Bebop]

63. For every executed hostage, a random apartment building gets leveled with no warning.

Go ahead Hamas, you do you and we do we.

[sarisataka]

68. No

War crimes are not to be answered with war crimes.

Hamas basing and hiding among the Palestinian population will ensure plenty of civilians will be killed. No need to add to the total by committing atrocities.

[Hekate]

93. Wrong