It's pretty disgusting how many people are minimizing murder, torture, rape, and kidnapping.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

I can't believe what I'm reading here.

[Marius25]

1. Not surprising to me. The target was a Jewish state.

This always goes back to Antisemitism. It doesn't matter how much people deny it, their criticism of Israel is always grounded in Antisemitism. The fact that Jews have to get enhanced police protection in the US and Europe right now proves that. Jews in the US and Europe are not Israeli and have nothing to do with Palestinians.

[claudette]

10. It is not

Antisemitism to express compassion for innocents who die in a war that they did not choose. Just as Jews (many flesh and blood in my own family) have nothing to do with Palestinians, there are many innocent Palestinians who have nothing to do with Israel.

Hamas is a terrorist group. A two-state solution might have prevented this horrible outcome of hatred by those who feel oppressed.

[Marius25]

11. They were offered a 2 state solution since before Israel existed

and Arabs/Palestinians always reject it. So it was never going to happen when only one side has ever supported it.

[claudette]

14. I'm not that familiar

with all the meetings they had about it, but I do recall that President Clinton worked hard at that. It's just so sad.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

20. Why bring that up now?

Why can't people denounce terroristic crimes without bringing up something else? Why, when hundreds of innocent civilians have just been murdered in cold blood, do people have to bring up offenses carried out by somebody else entirely?

Most of my Jewish and Israeli friends can't stand Netanyahu. Is it okay to kill them because of something their government did?

[Mossfern]

31. +100

[Jirel]

21. This is such horsesh*t.

There is no state that is beyond criticism. There are many religious states in the world, though only one is Jewish. Those states are criticized by many for good reason. There are also people who criticize those states because of religious bigotry alone or in part. It is not anti-Islamic to criticize the horrifying treatment received by women in Afghanistan. It is not antisemitic to criticize the very real oppression of Palestinians in their homeland by Israel. It is, however, intellectually dishonest to equate criticism of Israeli political and military choices with being anti-Jewish or blaming Jews for the actions of distinct government actors. It’s as stupid as MAGAts claiming that anyone who doesn’t support unlimited gun rights is anti-American.

[Marius25]

33. Lol, no they aren't.

The UN has put more resolutions against Israel than every other country on Earth combined, including Russia, North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Arabs have something like 20 ethnostates under their control, but the only one that ever gets complained about is the tiny little Jewish state surrounded by enemies.

The anti-Jewish bias is so freakin obvious, and all Jews see it for what it is.

[Bettie]

68. So, Israel's government can never, ever be criticized because

um, reasons.

It sure isn't because all of their actions are beyond reproach.

[onecaliberal]

88. This.

[Mosby]

100. The amount of criticism is completely out of proportion

There are more reporters and NGOs in Israel per capita than any other country in the world. There is an entire industry of websites that demonize Israel. The UN passed 16 anti-israel resolutions last year, Russia was second with 6. How can that be explained other than antisemitism?

[Sky Jewels]

107. I think Netanyahu is a right wing criminal and a piece of shit.

That doesn't make me anti-Semitic.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

110. +1

[akbacchus_BC]

118. Totally agree with you. All who favors Starbucks should be aware that a percentage of each cup

sold goes to Israel. Netanyahu is taking advantage of Russia's invasion of Ukraine as the focus is on Ukraine. Netanyahu is bent on destroying Palestine by continuing to occupy its land. I sometimes wonder what is the purpose of the UN?

[maxrandb]

120. If your criticize Starbucks you're anti-coffee!

[GhostHunter22]

113. This is an interesting post.

Curiously “the UN has put more resolutions against Israel than every other country on Earth combined”, and the “…tiny little Jewish state surrounded by enemies” is the only ones complained about.

Gosh, I wonder why. It couldn’t possibly be their decades long habit of stealing land and/or killing and subjugating countless innocent Palestinian civilians over multiple generations.

Nope - gotta be anti-semitism.

Not a single American tax dollar should go to Israel for military reasons, and it sickens me that we enable them and allow them to get away with literal murder - while any (righteous) attack on them is met with ‘they have the absolute right to defend themselves’.

I stand with the innocents lost to the Israelis - and my surname name ends in stein. My (half) Jewishness does not blind me to the blood thirst that permeates the ‘Jewish’ state.

If that adds up to my somehow being anti-semitic, then so be it.

[Marius25]

114. You're proving my point. Nothing Israel has done is as bad as Iran or Russia or North Korea

Also you're literally defending ISIS-level terrorists attacking Israel right now. What Hamas did has zero justification. Absolutely none.

[Bok_Tukalo]

35. All criticism of Israel is necessarily antisemitic? That's convenient.

Makes it easier to marginalize anyone who may take issue with that nation's actions.

[Marius25]

39. I didn't say all criticism is Antisemitic, I'm saying the Anti-Israel hate

is rooted in Antisemitism.

Saying the Israel government is oppressive and does bad things isn't Antisemitic.

Saying "Palestine should be free from river to sea" is, because it means the destruction of Israel and Jews living there. Or saying Israel is a bunch of European colonizers oppressing the native people is Antisemitic.

[cab67]

89. here's what you said -

" It doesn't matter how much people deny it, their criticism of Israel is always grounded in Antisemitism."

If we're overreacting, it's because it really did look like you said any criticism of Israel reflects antisemitism.

I do apologize if I overreacted. But hopefully, you can see why some of us might have had reason to do so.

[cally]

76. Please define anti-semitism when Palestinians are semites and

Have almost identical DNA. I am not anti-Jew but I am disgusted by the apartheid practiced by Israel. I am also disgusted by Hamas and their atrocities.

[MayReasonRule]

83. Agreed

[Marius25]

85. Antisemitism exclusively refers to hate and discrimination against Jews.

That's how languages work.

Palestinians practice apartheid too. As does Egypt. The only reason Israel gets so much crap over everyone else is because it's mostly Jews.

[sarisataka]

98. Here is the State Department definition

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218345838

[cab67]

84. an absolute "no" on this.

A lot of us criticize US policy. That doesn't make us anti-american.

Israel, like any other country, has made policy errors. That's because its leaders have been error-prone human beings.

I acknowledge that the current situation was started by Hamas, and that Hamas must be destroyed. I happen to think cutting power to Gaza will backfire, not because the Gaza population somehow deserves power, but because antagonizing a community is a good way to bolster support for the wrong people. I am thus capable of supporting Israel in its current struggle while disputing some of the tactics its government is deploying in that effort.

For what little it's worth - I was raised Catholic, but my wife is Jewish, and we're raising our daughter in that tradition. (This isn't "I've got Jewish friends, so I can't be anti-semitic;" I'm explaining that Judaism is a very important part of my life.) I thus take personal exception whenever a criticism I might level against Israeli policy is boiled down to antisemitism.

[Ligyron]

96. I've got the same family arrangement.

Raising the kids as Jews was the deal agreed to allowing us to marry and her to have a Jewish marriage ceremony at the temple. Which was a lot of fun btw, with dinner and a great band!

Jewish weddings tended to be a much bigger affair than the many Christian weddings I've attended.

Done a Bat Mitzah yet?

[cab67]

101. Not yet - she's 7.

I attended multiple bar/bat mitzvahs in junior high (lived in northern New Jersey at the time), and several in recent years for my wife’s extended family.

She’s not our biological child and is of Mexican heritage. So she’ll have both a bat mitzvah and quinceneanera.

[Mossfern]

2. Not minimizing

justifying.

I hear you.

[LiberaBlueDem]

3. We're all against it

Especially Russian activities for the last 18 months.

Just republicans who are minimizing it

[roamer65]

4. I'm not surprised.

Just reaffirms my lack of faith in the human race as a whole.

[tritsofme]

5. It's one of those sad reminders that anti-Semitism infects both the right and left

in American politics.

[claudette]

6. I don't see

anyone "minimizing" murder, torture, rape and kidnapping.

[Mossfern]

7. I see justification

in several threads.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

8. Deflection and both-siderism in this thread already

Not really surprising though.

[claudette]

12. Sometimes

I think people mistake compassion for innocents as "justification" for the what the terrorist group does to those they hate. I don't understand why it's not clear.

[Mossfern]

27. It's in the context

So Hamas has compassion for innocents?
I'm not understanding this.

Compassion for Palestinians justifies Hamas actions?
Innocent people are tortured and killed by Hamas because Hamas has compassion for Palestinains?
Do you know how Hamas treats some Palestinians?

[claudette]

34. What?

I never said that compassion for innocent Palestinians justifies ANY horrible actions of Hamas. So you're saying innocent Palestinians don't deserve compassion because of how Hamas treats them?

I'm outta this conversation. Some people just cannot understand that one can walk and chew gum at the same time. Despise what Hamas did to innocent Israelis and feel compassion for the innocent Palestinians who will now suffer because of it. bye

[obamanut2012]

52. That poster said NOTHING like what you are acussing them of

You literally just proved their point. Well done!

[Mossfern]

56. I must have totally missed their point

Can you explain?

The OP is bemoaning the minimization of the terrorists actions - I replied that it was justification more than minimizing and the poster spoke about expressing compassion.

Compassion for whom?

[onecaliberal]

90. I am NOT Hamas. I have compassion for ALL INNOCENT people. I can't control your comprehension

of things that are not black and white.

[Mossfern]

94. Wait, what?

Did I claim that you're Hamas?
Please do not attack me personally, I have not attacked you at all.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

28. Hamas has just murdered hundreds in cold blood out of hatred.

And you bring up compassion for another group of people entirely. Of course people will think you're minimizing or justifying their actions. Why else would you bring it up now? Why don't you express compassion for how Native Americans were treated by white settlers? Or how the Japanese Americans were interned by the federal government in World War II?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I was watching the BBC

And a former minister, I forget of what, said there is action and context with action being Hamas's barbarism and the context being the unresolved conflict. He said now is the time to focus on the action. I thought that was a great way of putting it.

[Emile]

9. Me neither.

[BuddhaGirl]

17. Exactly

What Hamas has done is horrific, no one is minimizing it or justifying it.

But to some unfortunately, it's a black and white issue, ignoring the historical perspective. That is sad. And to bring it up is somehow seen as "justifying" or "minimizing" or "both-siderism."

[MorbidButterflyTat]

74. Also ignoring

the human perspective.

Hamas does not represent Palestinians.

Like MAGAts do not represent Americans.

[onecaliberal]

92. Thank you for making this point. It can't be said enough.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

111. YW

[mcar]

22. I've seen it here many times in the last few days

[Emile]

23. Can you provide links to them?

[mcar]

24. No, I don't have time

[former9thward]

48. Call outs are against the DU TOS.

Did you not know that?

[Emile]

58. I'm not negatively calling out anyone.

[Marius25]

59. You're asking other people to violate the TOS with call outs

[Emile]

60. You are forgetting the word negatively.

[former9thward]

65. Cute.

The other poster views those posts as negative.

[former9thward]

64. You asking another poster to do so.

And then LOLing when they don't.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

75. People post links to other DU discussions all the time

Make a claim, back it up.

[former9thward]

77. The poster I was replying to asks for specific call outs.

Did you read the thread?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

112. Don't bully me

The post to which you are referring must have been deleted.

So post thread links instead of bullying posters with DU TOS.

23. Can you provide links to them?

That was the original request. You don't have to slam it down the poster's throat.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

79. I see a straw man being assaulted! The minimizing if any is of those slaughtered in Gaza!

[tenderfoot]

13. Bibi LIHOP

My personal opinion is not Anti-Semetic or Anti-Israel or Anti-Jewish State.

It is however very Anti-Benjamin Netanyahu. He's had a hard on for this for decades.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. The Israeli government deliberately allowed Hamas to murder and kidnap innocent women and children?

And that's not anti-Semitic

[obamanut2012]

54. No, it isn't -- just like saying the Bush Administration did the same about 9/11 isn't Anti American

Several countries have stated they gave Bibi INTEL about this.

[Torchlight]

41. My BIL asserts Pres Johnson LIHOPPED the Tet Offensive

and Roosevelt Pearl Harbor, and Eisenhower Wacht am Rhein. He tells me that since they're only opinions (as "I think apples are delicious" are only opinions) it requires zero evidence to support the assertions.

[Cha]

115. I'm sick of the conspiracy theories.

[obamanut2012]

16. No one is doing that

Except for MIRTed trolls.

[Celerity]

26. +1

There is a concerted effort by some to conflate supporting Palestinians and/or criticising Israeli actions against them (the illegal settlements/land theft in the West Bank for example) with support of Hamas and its horrific actions.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

30. If they're not to be conflated...

Then why are they bringing it up now? Was anyone expressing this at anywhere near the same level last week? If not, then bringing it up now is specifically because of Hamas's attack.

[obamanut2012]

42. Of course, that is logical

Why would we talk about I/P issues randomly in GD?

Why are YOU accusing folks of conflating it is the actual question, when we are not.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

49. When someone is discussing topic A and someone else brings up topic B...

One naturally assumes that that person thinks A and B are related.

[Celerity]

72. You would have to ask the conflators what their motivation is.

Many times in my life (not speaking about DU and much of this happened in the US whilst I was attending uni there, although some of it happened in London and elsewhere as well, including here in Stockholm) I have run into people who try to deny that the West Bank settlements are illegal, that is was anti semitic to say they were illegal, and that basically 100% (or damn close) of any evil action in the greater Israel area was all done or caused by the Palestinians, that the Israelis did little to nothing wrong, and even if the Israelis did do something that many outsiders said was wrong, that they (the Israelis) had the right to do basically anything if they said it was self-defence and/or was in order to fulfil extreme interpretations of Zionist manifest destiny.

You will find that type of thought (and even more extreme manifestations of it) amongst many parts of the Netanyahu coalition in Israel and the overall Jewish diaspora, but it is not strictly limited to just the Likudniks and their allies.

[obamanut2012]

45. You are in Sweden, right?

Folks in the US do not understand how differently the I/P issues are duiscussed in news outside of teh US bubble. I was really surprised the first time I realized this when I was in London.

Your post is well said.

[Celerity]

61. Yes, in Sweden, and I grew up in London, after being born in Los Angeles and my parents then

moving back to London when I was less than 2 years old. I did live in the US again for several years whilst I read for my MBA in Los Angeles. After that was over, we (my now wife and I) returned to London, and then moved to Stockholm a short time before I joined DU in summer 2018.

I am racially mixed to an extreme degree, with ancestry that includes Swedish (from my father) and then from my Bajan (Barbados) mother: black African, English, Scottish, Chinese, East Indian, Sephardic Portuguese Jewish, and Lebanese.

I am basically WWIII (minus Russian ancestry) on a genetic level, lolol, although I prefer to look at it as world peace via a blending of many major human backgrounds.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

32. That's not my impression.

Personally, I can't stand Netanyahu. But I don't see why bringing him up in the hours after hundreds of innocents were slaughtered at point blank rage in cold blood is really necessary.

[obamanut2012]

46. He is a fascist, and he had intel this would happen and let it happen anyway

What he has done to Israelis AND Palestinians is beyond troubling.

He is the leader of Israel, of course people are bringing him up.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

53. So let me understand this.

Person A: "Hamas invaded Israel and killed hundreds of civilians."

Person B: "Netanyahu has done bad things."

What do you conclude from what Person B said? That they were just changing the subject? Or that they think what Netanyahu has done is somehow related to what happened?

[obamanut2012]

55. Thank you for proving my point

You literally just agreed with me lol.

Thanks, man!

[BlueCheeseAgain]

57. No, I don't think I proved your point.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what your point is.

Is your point that people talking about the Israeli government now are in fact connecting it to the murders of innocent Israeli civilians? Because that's my point. That for some reason, these people can't condemn murder without casting blame elsewhere.

[Mossfern]

62. I think you and I

think and speak a different language than some people here. I understand your point completely and am also wondering if I've misunderstood something.

Yes people can have compassion for several different things at once, but I don't see how that is the point of this thread.
I thought it was about a brutal and inhumane in your face torture with a grin event.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

70. Thank you.

[MN2theMax]

36. This!

There is a lot of dividing going on around this issue, feels like it is being exploited by those who would like to divide us. Most folks on DU seem pretty like-minded, so accusations about antisemitism and other name calling and nastiness is out of place here. Just my opinion.

[obamanut2012]

50. I VERY rarely comment on I/P issues, because I always get called anti semitic or it is implied I am

Just because I loathe the leadership of Israel as much as I do Trump and Modi, and believe Palestinians deserve more civil rights. That somehow makes me pro-Hamas and anti Israel.

[Mossfern]

67. Funny,

I abhor the same people and wish the Palestinian people a peaceful and fruitful resolution. I'm Jewish and born the same year as Israel. I was a Rabin supporter and wept hot tears when he was assassinated by a Right Wing Orthodox nut job.

So I, for one will not label you as antisemitic.

[Tree Lady]

19. I think we are all desensitized by what we watch on tv

and read and the fact that in our lifetime its not here in America where we live except 9-11.

[Cha]

51. I'm not.. I don't have a tv..

and I'm very sensitive to what I read that's happening to Israelis being Attacked by the fucking HAMAS Terroist Org.

[Tree Lady]

73. I care too especially because I have a friend

who lives in Jerusalum. I was talking about a lot of people don't care unless it's happening to them.

[Bok_Tukalo]

37. Just wait till you see the justification for ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Although I get the feeling you already have.

[Torchlight]

38. And utilizing methods that make Plausible Deniability kid's play.

I'd use the specific word, 'rationalization' to characterize the handful I've come across today (not necessarily here).

[BannonsLiver]

40. There are some Jeremy Corbyn types, unfortunately.

[Stardust Mirror]

43. Christians apologizing for their Bible?

what a basis for morality, amirite?

(I know that's not what you were referring to, but if the shoe fits..)

[BlueCheeseAgain]

44. For the record, I'm not calling anyone anti-Semitic.

It's fine to criticize Israeli government policy. The people I know who dislike the Netanyahu government the most are Israelis themselves. (Just like the people who hated Trump the most are Americans.)

I just don't understand why we can't condemn murder without any conditions. Why we can't condemn Hamas's killing of children without adding a "but... " at the end. The people killed weren't soldiers. They weren't even "collateral damage." They were shot at point blank range by people deliberately. It can't be that hard to condemn that, without saying "but their government ...".

[inthewind21]

95. It's not that simple

and not that black and white. My what short memories people have. Every perceived slight against the US is followed by a landslide of "but, but but" as justification at the end for countless reactions and even waging full blow wars.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

104. Why is "deliberately killing civilians is bad" not that simple?

[Cha]

47. It Sure As Hell Is. It's Sickening.

🤷‍♂️💕🤷‍♀️💕

[Fiendish Thingy]

63. Gee, I haven't seen that.

Of course, I’m not looking for it either.

Sadness and outrage, that’s what I’m seeing.

[GenXer47]

66. it's pretty disgusting that Israel's leaders have kept their people at war since 1967

Don't you ever wonder why Israel's leaders, who hold all the cards, likes to remain in a state of perpetual war?
And for that matter, why it continues to lie about its nuclear weapons (which are everybody's business).
So who's really minimizing murder, torture, and kidnapping? These actions are the vocabulary of war. Israel's leaders have never seemed too worried about it, and even today, they still aren't.
I don't know the reasons for these decisions but it's a good guess that the fascist threads running through Israel would rather keep some sort of card to play - a casus belli - for a total annihilation of their neighbors. This is their big chance!
And while a few DU'ers tolerate the scolding and accusations of racism, Israel flattens whole buildings, kills scores of families in the blink of an eye, and starves children unlucky enough to be born in the world's largest open air prison.
Disgusting, indeed.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

69. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Excusing the deliberate slaughter of civilians because of the actions of other people.

[Mossfern]

71. Wow!

I'm speechless...

[onenote]

91. Israel kept their people at war since 1967??

What do you think Israel should have done so that its people weren't "in a state of perpetual war"?

Some facts: Between 1948 and 1967, there were dozens of state-sponsored terror attacks against Israelis. Should Israel have surrendered to prevent the 1967 War? And when the 1967 War happened, should Israel have surrendered and ceased to exist in order to prevent their people from being kept at war?

And after the 1967 War, those state sponsored attacks on Israel continued leading up to the 1973 Yom Kippur War, launched against Israel by Egypt and Syria among others. Should Israel have surrendered so as to prevent their people from being kept at war?

And in 2005, Israel removed its Defense Force installations from Gaza and evicted over 9000 Israelis from settlements in Gaza. Two years later, Hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority. Consistent with their stated desire to destroy Israel, Hamas began launching rockets and engaging in other terror attacks on Israeli civilians. Israel responded not by invading and re-taking control of Gaza, but by a defensive maneuver -- blockading Gaza. Did Gazans respond by trying to evict Hamas? Did Hamas respond by moderating its behavior? No. But somehow, it is Israel's fault that it has been attacked by others for the entirety of its 75 year history.

[boston bean]

99. Very glib responses you will see.

They act like they know the history but actually know bupkiss.

A lot of ignorance masquerading as righteousness running rampant.

[honest.abe]

78. Yes, it is. I dont think Israel is innocent by any means but..

I would never ever condone the things Hamas is doing no matter how wrong Israel has been. The slaughter of innocent people, women, children, elderly and kidnapping, rape, torture.. its completely barbaric.

[ZonkerHarris]

80. I don't think anyone is for rape and murder. I also don't think anyone is for a nation being

Occupied by a foreign power for 75 years

[onenote]

93. So you are against the creation and existence of the state of Israel.

Just come out and say it directly. Not everyone will understand your math.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

108. Good catch. The use of 75 (1948) and not something that would have meant 1967 is telling.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

105. This comment is exactly what I'm talking about.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

106. What nation was occupied for 75 years?

[boston bean]

82. Yeah it's pretty disgusting.

They are conflating Hamas terrorism with the plight of innocent Palestinians.

It is ignorant and wrong.

[obamanut2012]

86. Exactly

[MorbidButterflyTat]

97. +1

[edisdead]

87. Wow those are some heavy accusations.

Got any links? i’ve

[obamanut2012]

109. There are none

Except by trolls

[LexVegas]

102. Anti-Semitism is a universal evil. nt

[maxsolomon]

103. Explaining or contextualizing is not minimizing or justifying terror.

Hamas' atrocities were DESIGNED to outrage, DESIGNED to spark this exact recrimination-filled debate in the West.

They mean to provoke an Israeli over-reaction in Gaza, to provoke widespread unrest in the West Bank, and to provoke a Palestinian death toll in the 1,000s if not 10s of 1,000s.

They're likely to succeed. Look what Al Qaeda accomplished w/ 9/11.

[ripcord]

116. You can always tell one of those responses

It will contain the words "but Israel".

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

117. Why?

The abrahamic religions do far worse than minimizing those things; they support them. Have you not read the books they follow?

Even the supposed "nice" demigod advocates not only torture--but also *permanent* torture of those who disagree with him. He only discusses it multiple times. Furthermore, he supports the laws saying it's okay to rape women and children captured in war. He supports the murder of witches, homosexuals and disobedient children. He said so--in Matthew 5:18, when he declared all of those laws to be in existence until the end of the earth. Which is still here, in case you hadn't noticed.

And I've seen people right here on this forum celebrating their demigod using violence over a non-violent offense (moneylenders at the temple), and wishing to send people to receive permanent torture. It's like they don't comprehend the level of utter sadism and cruelty it takes to torture someone ten minutes, never mind forever. They certainly haven't cared enough to think through that it's what hell really means--endless sadism and cruelty,

For a thought crime, no less.

So why be surprised when the majority in this country adhering to such religions don't have a problem with murder, torture, rape and kidnapping? Why do you expect anything different? Me, I expect people who follow books promoting those things to be okay with all of it, enough to minimize it. If they weren't okay with it, they wouldn't belong to any group that has any of those books as its "moral" foundation.

QEbloodyD.

[maxrandb]

119. It's pretty disgusting how any discussion of the thousand year history of the Israel/Palestine issu

Gets you labeled as "minimizing murder, torture, rape and kidnapping".

Kind of reminds me how after 9/11, if a group were discussing how we should "turn the Middle East into glass", and someone said; "hey, there may be some unintended consequences to that", they were labeled "terrorist supporters".

I mean, I guess we could point out the fact that there are no posts minimizing murder, torture, rape and kidnapping, but that would be like trying to convince a MAGAt that Donnie Dipshit lost the election.

"Minimizing murder, torture, rape and kidnapping"?

Is that you Vlad?

[maxrandb]

121. This thread is worthless without you posting examples of DUers

"minimizing murder, torture, rape and kidnapping"

Would be interesting to see just what type of "specific" posts meet your definition of "minimizing murder, torture, rape and kidnapping"?

If you can't find "specific" posts that meet your definition, you should delete this post and apologize.

I am really interested, because if posters are minimizing "murder, torture, rape and kidnapping", they should lose site access.

Let me know so I can report these posts "minimizing murder, torture, rape and kidnapping" to the moderators.

[moonshinegnomie]

122. i hate netanyahu with my entire being

and how the israelis treat palestinians is horrible.


but this attack by hamas is so over the line that as far as im concerned if israel levels gaza to eliminate hamas im not opposed it it.
hamas is nothing more than a terrorist organization. the people in tha gaza strip also support them and were then one to first elect them. so I really cant feel sorry for them.