Just imagine calling for a cease fire on

[Jose Garcia]

December 8, 1941.

[obamanut2012]

1. This OP is directed at Barbara Lee (D-CA 12th District), whom OP called unfit for office

The OP said in another thread she is unfit for office.

She is not unfit for office.

[Jose Garcia]

2. It is directed at all those who are calling for a cease fire

[obamanut2012]

4. No, YOU caleld out Rep. Lee is another thread

You said she was unfit for office for saying this. Just like the wingnuts who said the same thing after her NO vote on War in Afghanistan. YOU mentioned Lee by name. YOU did. You are bashing a public DEm figure who has done no wrong.

[Jose Garcia]

9. She has taken a stand that is directly opposed to our party

[Donkees]

11. May 2021 - More than 25 Democratic senators call for immediate ceasefire in Middle East

May 17, 2021

Washington CNN — More than 25 Democratic senators, led by Georgia Sen. Jon Ossoff, released a joint statement calling for an immediate ceasefire agreement in Israel and the Palestinian territories to “prevent further loss of life and further escalation of violence.”

The list of senators who joined the statement includes Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Tom Carper of Delaware, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Angus King of Maine, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Ben Ray Lujan of New Mexico, Ed Markey of Massachusetts, Jeff Merkley of Oregon, Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Patty Murray of Washington, Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, Tina Smith of Minnesota, Jon Tester of Montana, Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, Mark Warner of Virginia, Raphael Warnock of Georgia, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

Murphy, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Near East, South Asia, Central Asia and Counterterrorism, and the ranking member of the committee, Republican Sen. Todd Young of Indiana, also released a joint bipartisan statement calling for a ceasefire Sunday after the bloodiest day so far in the latest conflict.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/senators-ceasefire-middle-east/index.html

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. It is October 9, 2023, not May 17,2021

Not sure what your news has to do with the current situation.

[PCIntern]

26. Exactly.

Jews apparently must lay down their arms when they’re under assault. I need to see a request for Hamas to do the same.

Oh, they’re not listening? What a surprise.

[tritsofme]

5. Perhaps not, but if that's what she said, it is a demonstration of terrible judgement

It does make me heartened that she has literally no chance of advancing to the US Senate, and that this primary is her final campaign.

[malaise]

8. She sure got it right re Iraq

That is all

[Happy Hoosier]

10. Well, she probably just blew her chance at election. NT

[tritsofme]

16. That would imply she ever really had a chance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. I vociferousky disagree with Ms. Lee but I also vociferously reject character assassination.

We're better than that.

[LiberaBlueDem]

3. Yes ceasefire today

Crush Hamas using diplomacy and intelligence, not violence

[moonshinegnomie]

6. thats proven not to work

its time to wipe hamas off the face of the earth.

[LiberaBlueDem]

15. How to do that?

[moonshinegnomie]

21. i think we're about to find out

i have a couple of friends in Israel. based on what they have said I dont think theres a power on earth that can stop israel from wiping out any hamas supporter.
One of them lived in the US during and after 9/11. In his view Israel will do whatever it takes. and will attack anyone they think had a hand in the attack. Just like what we did after 9/11 the average Israeli considers any action against Hamas to be justified now.
They think that if Hamas starts executing hostages then the Gaza will be flattened. They really dont care about the consequences.

[LiberaBlueDem]

25. Yeah, that would be awful

just like what we did in Afghanistan after 9/11 was awful and solved nothing

[moonshinegnomie]

27. the difference is we tried to basically occupy afghanastan,a huge country

and avoid a lot of civillian casualties. gaza is not much bigger than greater washington dc. plus i really dont think israel cares about avoiding civilian casualties in gaza right now.
Imagine if terrorists killed 30,000 americans on 9/1 instead of 3000. thats basically what has happened in israel.

[LiberaBlueDem]

28. They should reconsider

""dont think israel cares about avoiding civilian casualties in gaza ""

[moonshinegnomie]

30. i doubt they will

[LiberaBlueDem]

31. I am sure Joe Biden and staff care

And are working to make sure Hamas is crushed and save the innocents of Gaza

[EX500rider]

12. "Crush Hamas using diplomacy"

Feel free to walk us through how that would work

[awesomerwb1]

13. Hmmmm

How do you crush fanatical terrorists with diplomacy? Honest question

[LiberaBlueDem]

17. Take away their power

Someone finances them and many idiots support them for some reason. Find out the reasons and fix it

[awesomerwb1]

38. 'find out the reasons and fix it"

Like it wouldn't have already been done if it were so so so incredibly simple. Let's get real.

[LiberaBlueDem]

39. Really it is simple

Look at those profiting off this war started by 1,000 invaders.

[awesomerwb1]

40. Cool story

I'm not rich so I'm gonna go buy a lottery ticket and get rich!! it's so simple!

Again, let's get real.

[LiberaBlueDem]

23. War is hell

We should really try something else.

For one, the people of Gaza are not free. Free people are less prone to support violence.

[onenote]

41. You're right. They are held hostage by Hamas, which is an occupying force.

Do the masses of those living in Gaza support Hamas and its actions? If so, I have no sympathy for them. If a majority are truly "innocents" and not Hamas supporters, the reason that they can't rise up against Hamas is that Hamas controls them by threats of force.

Hamas was elected 17 years ago and hasn't allowed another election. Since 2007, the Israeli army has not had boots on the ground in Gaza; rather, Israel has blockaded Gaza as a defensive action in lieu of invading it. The only way that the situation changes is if Hamas is gone.

[LiberaBlueDem]

43. Hamas must be crushed

Done away with

Who profits from Hamas? Warmongers like Hamas

For too long a dangerous game has been payed with Hamas and the captives of Gaza.

1,000 mad men invaded Israel and milllions of dollars worth of weapons have now been used.

There are indications that even the leaders of Israel were using Hamas politcally. Someone has allowed them to keep going and it's not just US nazis.

Only winners in all this are the weapon makers and a few politicians. Lets stop them. Crush Hamas and be done with them.

[Torchlight]

7. Or imagine Rep Jeannette Rankin voting against US involvement after Pearl.

(as an afterward, in Jan of '68, long after her political careers, she lead the largest woman's march since the Woman Suffrage Parade of 1913).

[BannonsLiver]

14. Well nobody is perfect, I suppose.

[roamer65]

19. I'm just sitting back waiting for the bombing of Iran.

…and $200/barrel oil.

[moonshinegnomie]

22. i wouldnt blame israel if they took out the iranian leadership

[roamer65]

24. I'm going to enjoy seeing gasoline hit $8 a gallon in that case.

It’s going to take a good majority of gas guzzlers off the road worldwide.

A big plus for Planet Earth.

[moonshinegnomie]

29. i dont think it would have the effect on oil that a lot believe

i think if israel took out the iran leadership the average iranian would celebrate. the country has been bordering on revolution for a while and while oil would spike immediately i dont think it would spike for long. my hunch is saudia arabia,irans mortal enemy would increase production a lot to limit price hikes.

they are pragmatists when you come down to it and they know a huge spike in oil prices would cause massive demand destruction and that demand might never come back. they will do whatever they can to prevent that

[ZonkerHarris]

34. Haha a barrel of oil is already up 10%

Your naivety is adorable. If people actually cared oil never would’ve spiked during the Iran war, you are fundamentally, not understanding the market for us as a play here

[moonshinegnomie]

37. actually oil is up les sthan 5%

and is only back to where it was last week

https://www.barchart.com/futures/quotes/CLX23/overview
as for naivety i used to trade oil on the floor in new york including during the iraq invasion of kuwait

[onenote]

42. Thank you. The hyperbole about oil from some posters is dishonest.

There was one poster that said that the price at the pump would be up 30-40 cents on Monday. I paid less on Monday than I did a week ago.

The recent high for a barrel of oil was $93.68 on September 27. It dropped to $81.28 on October 6. It climbed back to $86.57 early today, but has since dropped back down to below $86. In other words, its still more than $7 less than it was two weeks ago.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

32. The world

had been at war for over two years before December 1941.

[ZonkerHarris]

35. Nice tone deaf post with a clear lack of understanding of history