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boston bean

(36,930 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 05:54 PM Oct 2023

I pray I am wrong

But hope for hostages is pretty grim. Israel is going to level Gaza. I do hope they try some extractions prior and are successful.

To think Netanyahu knew about this and let it happen is crazy talk. No way would have he allowed this had he known. He will be weakened by this.

Israeli hostages will most likely die and so won’t his political ambitions.

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I pray I am wrong (Original Post) boston bean Oct 2023 OP
I don't know if he knew either, but there are credible places reporting different countries warned onecaliberal Oct 2023 #1
I've seen reports that Egypt warned him and he ignored them, and that Egypt said they didn't. Marius25 Oct 2023 #4
Most big operations are preceded by warnings. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #15
I think some hostages are American citizens TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #2
I think this is what Hamas wants. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #13
Mainly because they are Nazi fucks TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #18
Stop and think. This was a big, very well thought out military and intel operation. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #22
Miracles do happen............... Lovie777 Oct 2023 #3
Me too. All the innocents. But in reality we know what happens a lot. boston bean Oct 2023 #5
Netanyahu is very capable of sacrificing the hostages for his political ambitions. roamer65 Oct 2023 #6
I am not sure it will be possible. And it's not because Netanyahu will do it boston bean Oct 2023 #7
He's like Dump. roamer65 Oct 2023 #8
+1 2naSalit Oct 2023 #9
... roamer65 Oct 2023 #10
... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #12
Yep. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #14
Netanyahu traded over one thousand Progressive dog Oct 2023 #11
Whoa whoa whoa! TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #19
It's reminding me a little bit of the 1972 of Olympics Munich massacre Walleye Oct 2023 #16
Israel may be contemplating its Seeking Serenity Oct 2023 #17
Bibi is history malaise Oct 2023 #20
Netanyahu is an asshole. milestogo Oct 2023 #21
 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
1. I don't know if he knew either, but there are credible places reporting different countries warned
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 05:59 PM
Oct 2023

Netanyahu that something big was coming.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
4. I've seen reports that Egypt warned him and he ignored them, and that Egypt said they didn't.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:01 PM
Oct 2023

So who knows what to believe right now.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)
15. Most big operations are preceded by warnings.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:02 PM
Oct 2023

There were warnings about Pearl Harbor and 9/11, for example. And then conspiracy theories that FDR and GWB knew they were going to happen and then let them. My guess is that in almost every case, it was incompetence and not malice that caused people to ignore them.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
2. I think some hostages are American citizens
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:00 PM
Oct 2023

And maybe German and British as well? I feel like there’s going to be some sort of attempts to rescue them if they can determine locations.

Hamas is threatening to execute them and release videos of the execution, which seems like a rescue attempt is the way to go.

Irish_Dem

(81,189 posts)
13. I think this is what Hamas wants.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:00 PM
Oct 2023

To broaden the conflict to other countries.

They targeted a festival with people from all over.
Why?

Irish_Dem

(81,189 posts)
22. Stop and think. This was a big, very well thought out military and intel operation.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:44 PM
Oct 2023

Planned to the smallest detail.

Blindsiding the US and Israel who possess the highest rated military and intel services.

They could have chosen any event and crowd to attack.
But they chose the festival with people from all over the world attending.

This is no coincidence. No coincidence at all.

Why do you think they did that?
Who does it benefit and how?

Lovie777

(22,947 posts)
3. Miracles do happen...............
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:01 PM
Oct 2023

I hope for the best everywhere in the world where conflicts are. It's usually the innocent that dies, suffers the most.

roamer65

(37,952 posts)
6. Netanyahu is very capable of sacrificing the hostages for his political ambitions.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:07 PM
Oct 2023

That’s the kind of human filth that he is.

boston bean

(36,930 posts)
7. I am not sure it will be possible. And it's not because Netanyahu will do it
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:12 PM
Oct 2023

for personal political reasons. Yeah they guy is authoritarian. Bad leader. But loss of hostages does not help him at all.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
14. Yep.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:02 PM
Oct 2023

There's probably a video of that fucking criminal Netanyahu on a golf course a la Dubya: "Now watch this drive."

Progressive dog

(7,598 posts)
11. Netanyahu traded over one thousand
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:48 PM
Oct 2023

prisoners for one Israeli soldier.

Hamas military leader Ahmed Jabari was quoted in the Saudi Arabian newspaper Al-Hayat as confirming that the prisoners released under the deal were collectively responsible for the killing of 569 Israelis.[7][8] The agreement came five years and four months after Palestinian militants captured Shalit in southern Israel along the Gaza Strip border.

The deal, brokered by Mossad official David Meidan through a secret back channel run by Gershon Baskin and Hamas Deputy Foreign Minister Dr. Ghazi Hamad authorized by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on one side and Ahmed Jabari, head of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades on the other side.[9] The list of prisoners to be released (based on previous work conducted by German and Egyptian mediators and coordinated by Bundesnachrichtendienst agent Gerhard Conrad),[10] was signed in Egypt on 11 October 2011. Its first phase was executed on 18 October 2011, with Israel releasing 477 Palestinian prisoners and Hamas transferring Shalit to Cairo.[11] In the second phase, which took place during December 2011, another 550 prisoners were released.[12]

The agreement is, to date, the largest prisoner exchange agreement Israel has ever made and the highest price Israel has ever paid for a single soldier.[13][14] Gilad Shalit was also the first captured Israeli soldier to be released alive in 26 years.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

Walleye

(44,760 posts)
16. It's reminding me a little bit of the 1972 of Olympics Munich massacre
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:27 PM
Oct 2023

Not on the same scale, but the same tactic of surprise terror

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