As horrible as it will end up, I think America needs to

[Seeking Serenity]

Come out and say something to the effect of:

Look, we have long supported the creation and maintenance of a Jewish state. We were one of the first countries to recognise the State of Israel in 1948. As time went on during the Cold War, we supported Israel as a hedge against the Soviet Union, which was making overtures to Arab countries like Egypt.

And we have meddled far too much in that region of the world. Today, we're ending all of that. We'll start the process of closing our bases in Arabia, the presence of which, has enraged (some) Muslims as being a heresy or something.

Furthermore, we can no longer hold the reins on Israel, which we've done for decades. And the Palestinian Arabs wouldn't listen to us even if we had the perfect solution (which we don't), for good reason.

It is time for Israel and the Arab/Persian world to resolve their conflict on their own. We see now, as we'd never wanted to see before, that we can't solve their problems for them, and, save for the Camp David Accords, we can't divine a truce or a peace plan for them.

May God, in His divine grace, have mercy on us all.


Something like that.

[roamer65]

1. Oil.

That’s the reason we are stuck in this Middle Eastern quagmire.

It’s all about the oil.

[Seeking Serenity]

5. Maybe we add that we're willing to do business with any country

That wants to do business with us. We'll buy your oil at market prices. But we're no longer going to try to solve your problems for you. We tried and failed; therefore we're stepping out.

[roamer65]

6. This is why I enjoy running my Flex Fuel vehicle on E85.

I’d rather put the money in the pocket of American farmers than Prince Bonesaw’s.

[bdamomma]

22. roamer65

you are so right, who are the key players on oil, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Iran. And more money in the pockets of those depots.

More oil increases and more mud being slinged at President Biden.

[brewens]

2. Don't put me in charge. I'll start by saying we stack all the Bibles, Korans and Torahs outside

public restrooms to put them to some good use. STFU about all of that sky fairy crap and get along! I'll make them all come after me and forget why they were fighting.

[roamer65]

4. I like you.

I could hug you.

[Sky Jewels]

20. ...

[boston bean]

3. Ummmm. No.

[Seeking Serenity]

7. What good can we do anymore

That won't end up pissing off one group or another (or a bunch of them)? Seems like that's all we've been doing for the past however many decades.

[anciano]

8. "It is time to resolve their conflict on their own"....

Exactly, thank you.

[Seeking Serenity]

11. Thank you

back to you

[JustAnotherGen]

9. No

Not when I see women bleeding from being raped being shoved in trucks. I see no difference between the Hutus and Hamas right now. We turned our back on the Tutsis - we can't turn our back on the Israelis.

[Seeking Serenity]

10. I hate seeing all that! But again, I have to ask

What good can we possibly do? The Palestinian Arabs hate us; Israel won't listen to ANYTHING that might be seen as a concession.

What good can WE do (except just step back)?

[Progressive dog]

12. It does sound horrible to me

We should not abandon our allies anywhere in the world. We can't wall off any conflicts from the rest of the world. We were drawn into both world wars and we probably wouldn't still exist if we hadn't been.

[bdamomma]

24. Ukraine needs

our continued support too, those bastards in the House stopped aid, doing their master's bidding I'm talking about Putin.

Would it be appropriate for me to say if we had women leaders would we be in chaos like this????

[NoRethugFriends]

13. yeh, let's hear it for God's grace in the Middle East

[Skittles]

16. "holy land"

what a bunch of sanctimonious assholes

[Sky Jewels]

21. Yeah, what a track record that invisible all-powerful asshole has, huh?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

14. That's a mighty naive position to take.

[hlthe2b]

19. Yes. (I'll just leave it at that agreement with you)

[Seeking Serenity]

23. Yes, because everything else we've tried has worked SO well

Maybe we show some humility, admit we've failed too many times, and back away to let them sort out their problems amongst themselves.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

25. Sort out the problems for themselves?

So what happens when the US disengages and Iran becomes more emboldened to launch attacks on shipping, boarding and taking over ships in international waters?
How about this, with the US not engaging, how long do you think it would take for a major regional war to break out in the middle east, thereby drawing in nations like Russia, China, etc?

As I said, yours is a mighty naive position to take.
Luckily we have a President who knows better than that.

[Orrex]

27. If the US withdraws its support, how long before Israel deploys its nukes?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

29. I suspect it wouldn't be long at all,

and then we're into it.

You make a very good point.

[Seeking Serenity]

28. Surely you're not suggesting we get in the middle of another Middle East war?

Bugger ALL of the neocons (both Rs and Ds) banging the war drums. To hell with them all!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. I never suggested that, but your "solution"

would more than likely pull the US in.

[Seeking Serenity]

31. Why should that necessarily be?

How many wars can we finance/take sides/partake in? Ukraine. Israel. Is Iran next? China (over Taiwan, which a lot of folk seem to be heady for)?

(If handing over Lindsey Graham would make both sides stand down, I'd sanction that)

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. So your solution is that the US becomes isolationist?

How well did that work out in the 30's and 40's?
Wait, it didn't.
Like it or not, the US is a global power and isolationist is a foolhardy solution.
Russia, China, N Korea, Iran, etc would rejoice in your "solution".

[Seeking Serenity]

35. And our trying to police the planet has worked so well, too.

Trillions in debt trying to maintain empire, tens of thousands of soldiers dead and many more wounded and psychologically traumatised. Still no peace, and people across the world hate us precisely because of our interventionist policies.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

38. People across the world do not hate us,

a loud minority do, but for the most part, because of President Biden's steady hand at the helm, the US has regained the respect that Benedict Donald threw away.

Don't tell me about the horrors of war, I experienced it first hand and yet I know that without the steady hand of the US with a sane President, the world would be in much worse shape.

[Seeking Serenity]

36. And again I ask you: How many wars can we finance/take part in all at once? (N/t)

[slightlv]

17. I understand where you're coming from... but at this point, I'd say it'd just

be "and watch the nukes fly..."

[Sky Jewels]

18. "May God, in His divine grace, have mercy on us all."

Seriously? "He" caused or allowed the Holocaust, just one among countless horrors (wars, famines, plagues, etc.) Why would anyone think this shitty god would be "merciful" when there are eons of history showing the Sky Guy is a cruel, psychotic asshole and a mass murderer?

Also, "he" is the protagonist of a sick and twisted book of fairy tales that is the cause of a good amount of this violence and terror.

Good thing "he" doesn't actually exist.

[multigraincracker]

26. Being John Lennon birthday,

I suggest listening to “Imagine”

[Seeking Serenity]

33. I never liked that song.

And Lennon later disavowed the song as being some sort of utopian anthem. "It's just a bloody song, y'know," I seem to recall reading him quoted.

[multigraincracker]

39. See if you can find a link.

[ripcord]

32. It isn't going to happen any time soon

The President has reaffirmed the support of the U.S. for Israel and its people.

[budkin]

37. Never happening

We will support them eternally.