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ripcord

(5,553 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:11 PM Oct 2023

There is only one path to peace between Israel and Palestine but no one will like it

Palestine would be made a protectorate of the U.S., the one country in the world that could move troops and administrators in and guarantee safety to both sides. This would be something on the order of how we dealt with Germany and Japan after WW2, when we put our minds to it we are great at nation building.

I know it would be difficult and dangerous for the people we send there but building up Palestine would be much cheaper than the aid we are giving to both side in this conflict and more importantly it will save live and add some stability to the middle east

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There is only one path to peace between Israel and Palestine but no one will like it (Original Post) ripcord Oct 2023 OP
Isn't that like what we tried to do in Iraq and Afghanistan? Marius25 Oct 2023 #1
Bingo! JustAnotherGen Oct 2023 #3
In Iraq and Afghnistan we had to work with their goverments ripcord Oct 2023 #9
Pretty much Progressive dog Oct 2023 #14
Why the US? No thanks. WarGamer Oct 2023 #2
Agreed..... anciano Oct 2023 #5
Multinational UN administration. roamer65 Oct 2023 #4
Israel doesn't trust the U.N. ripcord Oct 2023 #6
Won't happen. roamer65 Oct 2023 #7
Two states Chi67 Oct 2023 #8
Bingo. roamer65 Oct 2023 #10
Yeah Chi67 Oct 2023 #11
President Clinton brokered a fair deal that would have realized a two state solution. tritsofme Oct 2023 #12
I Was Educated NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #19
It won't happen while Hamas exists ripcord Oct 2023 #13
Hamas usually fucks things up. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #16
No they won't Progressive dog Oct 2023 #15
With my taxpayer dollars? No thank you. Takket Oct 2023 #17
Absolutely ridiculous brooklynite Oct 2023 #18
Now you have done it. TheRealNorth Oct 2023 #20
I have zero interest in us wading further into this eternal conflict. Arthur_Frain Oct 2023 #21
 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
9. In Iraq and Afghnistan we had to work with their goverments
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:41 PM
Oct 2023

As a protectorate the U.S. would be their government and the military with the goal of building their infrastructure and stopping the border attacks in both directions.

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
7. Won't happen.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:39 PM
Oct 2023

The US has had enough of the ME quagmire, plus tbh…Israel doesn’t have oil.



roamer65

(37,953 posts)
10. Bingo.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:42 PM
Oct 2023

If Yitzhak Rabin has not been killed, they may have gotten there.

A great man of peace.

tritsofme

(19,899 posts)
12. President Clinton brokered a fair deal that would have realized a two state solution.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:44 PM
Oct 2023

Palestinians rejected it, and responded instead with a wave of violence that continues to shape the situation today.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
19. I Was Educated
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:03 PM
Oct 2023

I was only vaguely familiar with the Clinton proposal so I read a Wikipedia article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clinton_Parameters

The concerns listed that led to the rejection were varied.


Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
16. Hamas usually fucks things up.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:55 PM
Oct 2023

When Hamas is removed from power and made irrelevant, maybe progress can be made.

Takket

(23,714 posts)
17. With my taxpayer dollars? No thank you.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:00 PM
Oct 2023

I'm all for humanitarian aid but not basically making Palestine the 51st state.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
18. Absolutely ridiculous
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:01 PM
Oct 2023

First, a reminder that Palestine was a protectorate of Great Britain. How did that work out?

Second, Afghanistan was effectively a protectorate of the US for more than 20 years.How did THAT work out? Seriously, you want to post troops in Gaza and the West Bank permanently and be open targets for the next terrorist group that comes along?

Third, let’s discuss what you DIDN’T say: Palestine is being protected by the US FROM ISRAEL Setting aside the fact that no US leader (Republocan or Democratic) will endorse that concept, imagine the geo-political consequences of entering into a border conflict with the only Democracy in the Middle East?

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
20. Now you have done it.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:22 PM
Oct 2023

You have incurred the wrath of the Zionists on this board that support Israel no matter what. If Palestine were to become a US Protectorate, it becomes a bit harder for right-wing religious fundamentalist Israeli settlers to seize and annex more of the West Bank. We would also have to fund and rebuild the West Bank, and we find it extremely difficult to fund infrastructure in our own country. Plus l could see the Republicans and even some Democrats continuing to screw over the Palestinians if it were to become a U.S. Protectorate.

I would rather see an international mandate with a multinational military force that would secure the border of Israel with the West Bank. Furthermore, I would like to see the City of Jerusalem fall under the mandate, with the understanding that there will not be any further changes to the holy sites.



Arthur_Frain

(2,354 posts)
21. I have zero interest in us wading further into this eternal conflict.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:31 PM
Oct 2023

It would be hubris.

Did we learn nothing from 20 years in Afghanistan? You can’t superimpose your cultural values on a people that don’t share them already.

No one over there really wants the two state solution, they want to annihilate one another, it’s the only outcome they will accept. They’ve been working hard at it for over 2000 years.

Especially when neither side wants us on the ground over there, not worth one American soldiers life. If they can’t agree to live peaceably, how could we force them?

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