Tlaib, Bush criticized by Democrats over statements calling for end to Israel support

[RandySF]

Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Cori Bush (D-Mo.) are facing criticism from fellow Democrats over weekend statements in which they each labeled Israel as an apartheid state and called for the U.S. to end funding to the nation, amid a surprise attack by Hamas that killed hundreds.

Tlaib said she continues to “grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day,” before calling for “dismantling the apartheid system that creates the suffocating, dehumanizing conditions that can lead to resistance.” She has previously criticized the Israeli government and had denounced a House resolution supporting Israel in a floor speech in July.

Tlaib, who is of Palestinian heritage, also called for lifting the blockade of the Gaza Strip and for “ending the occupation” in her lengthy statement.

“The failure to recognize the violent reality of living under siege, occupation, and apartheid makes no one safer. No person, no child anywhere should have to suffer or live in fear of violence. We cannot ignore the humanity in each other,” she said.




https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4245770-tlaib-bush-criticized-by-democrats-over-statements-calling-for-end-to-israel-support/

[Freethinker65]

1. Has Rep. Tlaib condemned Hamas?

[Marius25]

2. Nope.

I'd love for someone to show Rashida Tlaib this video and ask her opinion on it.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[JustAnotherGen]

8. JHFC

That's disgusting. I'll leave it there.

[Tickle]

32. I was not going to watch

but then t did. I should have listened 😧

[dalton99a]

46. +1

[egduj]

4. Twitter only allows so many words.

I'm sure she would've gotten to it if she had the room.

[Elessar Zappa]

3. Not surprised,

Tlaib blames Israel for everything. I’m a little surprised by Bush.

[Polybius]

6. I'm not

Bush still says "defund the police." She is an extremist.

[AntivaxHunters]

11. She's not an extremist at all

She was a Black Lives Matter activist from Ferguson.
She speaks for many of us.

[Polybius]

14. She's not extreme to those that agree with her

Perhaps it's time to ask the question to yourself if you don't see it.

[AntivaxHunters]

29. Perhaps you should

Have you experienced physical violence by police?
Have your friends been murdered by cops?
Have you been profiled by cops because of your skin color?
Have you been harassed by cops?

Real world experiences shape us.
Think outside the box & do so logically & rationally please. Your experiences aren't hers.

[Polybius]

39. She's far-left on every position, not just the police

I am not.

[AntivaxHunters]

40. What do you consider "far left"?

I'm curious..
What issues does she support that you consider to be "far left"?

[Mosby]

51. Universal income

BDS, nationwide rent control, redistributing wealth, abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement eliminating all student debt.

All things she has actively supported.

[AntivaxHunters]

63. These aren't far left policies.

With the possible exception of abolishing ICE.

These are progressive mainstream policies.
Have you ever read FDR's Second?
That was written nearly 100 years ago.
Lots of intersectionality here..

[FBaggins]

71. There is almost no overlap between those two lists

If the positions in #51 are not far left… what would the far left position be on those topics?

Hint - If you can only find a handful of congressional democrats who support a position (ad no republicans of course) - you really can't call it mainstream

[Cha]

20. Yes she is.. "Defund the Police" is a Proven Losing

Slogan. She needs to Stop.

She Does NOT "speak for me".

And the US is Not going to stop aiding Israel especially after the GD HAMAS Massacre of Israeli Women and Children.

Good on Dems Calling them Out.

Rep Richie Torres...

“U.S. aid to Israel is and should be unconditional, and never more so than in this moment of critical need,” Torres said in a statement to Jewish Insider. “Shame on anyone who glorifies as ‘resistance’ the largest single-day mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust. It is reprehensible and repulsive.”

The ambassador of Israel to the U.S. also took aim at Tlaib’s statement.

“How much more blood needs to be spilled for you to overcome your prejudice and unequivocally condemn Hamas, a U.S.-designated terror organization?” Michael Herzog said in response to Tlaib’s statement on X, the platform previously known as Twitter.

“Hundreds of innocent Israeli civilians massacred in cold blood on a holy day. Babies kidnapped from their mother’s arms and taken to Gaza. An 85-year-old woman in a wheelchair and a Holocaust survivor taken hostage. Is that not enough,

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. The Defunding the Police slogan was incredibly stupid and cost Democrats a number seats

The Defund the Police is one of the most ignorant slogans advanced in 2020. This stupid slogan cost Democrats a number of seats in 2020 and is being used again in 2022. The ads pushing this stupid line of attack have been fact checked

In Texas, Greg Abbott, Dan Patrick, Ken Paxton and the GOP stooge running for Haris County Judge are all using this line of attack

Link to tweet

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.

Below is a look at eight deceptive Republican ads that have run in September or October. This is not a comprehensive list

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The GOP also used this line of attack against Sri Preston Kulkarni and several local state house races in 2020.

[AntivaxHunters]

47. I very much disagree with you

Cori Bush ran on a platform of defunding the police & won her election.

You call it ignorant but is it? Do you know what defunding the police means? I'd like to hear what you believe that to be so I can better understand the position you're arguing from.

Liberation means many things, for some it will be very uncomfortable.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

53. Do you ever tire of being WRONG?

I worked on the Sri Preston Kulkarni race against Troy Nehls. Nehls and a couple of GOP superpacs ran defund the police ads against Sri and other Democrats in Texas and were very successful. Susan Collins used defund the police to win re-election to her senate seat. Read the materials posted above. This ignorant slogan may have worked in deep blue/gerrymandered seats but killed Democrats in competitive seats.

[AntivaxHunters]

56. Do you ever stop to think that

those who think "defunding the police is bad" are the same people who have never experienced police violence themselves or experienced racism at the hands of cops.

Google LASD Gangs..in fact let me help you with that.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=lasd+gangs]

[LetMyPeopleVote]

67. Why do you want Republicans to win races that they should lose?

The persons who really like this slogan and pushed very hard were republicans who used this to defeat Democrats in a number of races that the Democratic candidate should have or could have won.

Link to tweet

I want Democrats to win races which is why I think that this slogan is stupid. Bush and Talib are Justice Democrats and do not care if other Democrats win their races.

Again, why do you want good Democratic candidates to lose?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

78. I trust James Clyburn on this over Bush/Tlaib/members of the Justice Democrats

Bush is wrong on this ignorant slogan. Congressman Clyburn has made it clear that Bush and this ignorant slogan hurt regular democrats.

Link to tweet

Again, why do you and Bush want Democrats to lose races that they could win

[NowISeetheLight]

81. Commercial

Defending police led to that TV commercial. It was on TV constantly. Not a winning slogan at all. Sure it was proven to be false. People believed it and still cry that Democrats want to Defund the Police.

&pp=ygUdZGVmdW5kIHRoZSBwb2xpY2UgY29tbWVyY2lhbCA%3D

[LetMyPeopleVote]

83. Troy Nehls and some GOP PACs ran similar ads in my area

These ads were very effective in that the GOP got to quote Justice Democrats and members of the Squad in the ads ran in my area to great effect

[betsuni]

12. +1

[tritsofme]

5. They should be criticized. Those statements were embarrassing to the Democratic Party.

And themselves.

[JohnSJ]

10. +++

[Raine]

30. Totally agree. nt

[madaboutharry]

7. Totally expected comments from Tlaib.

Tlaib has nothing but complete hatred for Israel, has no reasonable solutions to discuss, and nothing helpful to add to the conversation.
Disappointing to read this about Cory Bush.

[womanofthehills]

34. Half of Gaza's 2.2 million people jammed in a tiny area are children

So, some think it’s a good idea to back Israel cutting off food, electricity, water and fuel for a million children - Israel will not even let people of Gaza fish for food - boats monitor the shore.
Are we prepared to watch a million children starve to death??


Video of Israeli Defence minister

Israel Defense Minister Yoav Gallant:

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we will act accordingly."

Link to tweet

?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

[Bettie]

43. It seems as if a few around here

are not only ready, but eager, to watch those children starve to death if they aren't killed by bombs first.

[inthewind21]

55. Indeed.

It's crystal clear.

[totodeinhere]

77. Israel has no choice but to respond to the murder of over 1,000 Jews.

What would you have Israel do? Israel is fighting for its very survival. Children always die in wars. Hamas should have thought of that before they started this war.

[Cha]

74. All of Do NOT Think it was

"a good Idea" for HAMAS to Kill & Rape Innocent Women & Kill Children.

That's what I think... this is on HAMAS.

And, Everyone should have Condemned THAT.

[totodeinhere]

76. Yes, and that is why the atrocities committed by Hamas against innocent Jewish children are so

disgusting. Yet you didn't even mention the many war crimes committed by Hamas. Hamas wants to completely destroy Israel. If any children from Gaza suffer it is the responsibility of Hamas yet you didn't even mention that. This has been the worst slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust.

[JohnSJ]

9. Excellent timing. Perhaps they can introduce defund police again in case independents have

forgotten where they stand on those issues.



Working hard to get republicans elected.

and while those representatives represent their districts, most likely their views will be exploited by the wonderful media as representative of the majority of Democrats, which would be a lie.

[AntivaxHunters]

13. Many of us agree with what was said

And accusing members of the Squad working to elect Republicans? Really? Seriously? I'd like to know how you came by that logic.

[JohnSJ]

15. I stand with President Biden who doesn't believe we should defund the police, or stop aid to

Israel.

Seriously

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/defunding-police-defunding-fbi-opinion-poll/

[AntivaxHunters]

25. Hey that's fine

We're not all going to agree on everything 👍🏼

[stopdiggin]

16. defund the police almost certainly

helped elect Republicans. And (unnuanced) criticism of the Israeli state (particularly today) also walks a perilous path. And I can say that with some confidence as somebody that happens to share some views and sentiment - but has also seen things work to our detriment in real life situations. And, very likely - you are looking at one of those situations now ...

Why do you think strategists love to present these people as 'poster child'?

[JohnSJ]

18. There is a time and place for everything

[AntivaxHunters]

26. I disagree

And keep in mind that Cori Bush has experience police violence first hand.

The police need a complete overhaul this country. They've been infiltrated by white supremacists all across this country as we knew 17 years ago when the FBI released it's report & police violence has only gotten worse since. Google "LASD Gangs".




https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement]

[Cha]

21. Many of you are WRONG on "defund he Police"

It's a proven LOSING Slogan.

[onenote]

22. Yep. Which is why the repubs in Virginia are pounding away at our candidates

claiming that they want to defund the police.

[Marius25]

23. Somebody should play Gym Jordan saying he wants to defund the FBI

[Cha]

24. Exactly.. and I think it was Abigail

Spanberger who said she almost lost in her VA District 7 last time because of it.

She knows what she's on the ground talking about.. Not those who are online Not running for Congress.

[AntivaxHunters]

27. Lots of things were proven a losing slogan

Gay marriage
Weed legalization
Emancipation
Women voting
Abortion

On & on..

Times change.
As MLK said, 'The time is always right to do what is right'.

[Cha]

31. Cori Bush is WRONG on "Defund the POLICE"

this is the most important Election of our LIVES.. We Don't have time to Fuck around with Losers like "Defund the Police"
P

Pres Biden is Against "Defund the Police" and So is VP Harris.

Most Congressional Candidates are Against it.

Cori Bush Needs to STOP IT>

[Ace Rothstein]

33. Those other issues had high levels of support among Democrats.

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Defund the Police does not and polls incredibly low among the population overall.

[stopdiggin]

37. surprised at the defense that the loser slogan still gets

after repeated explanation and demonstration ..
But, in retrospect, perhaps I shouldn't be. There's a certain percentage that is just going to dig in their heels ... And we're not immune to that sort of dogmatism.

Yes, 98% of us fully recognize that policing has deep and systematic flaws and problems ...
And 'defunding' is still a dumb assed solution - with almost zero support anywhere in the country.

[Ace Rothstein]

38. When you have to twist yourself to explain a slogan then you've already lost.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

44. Bush's and Tlaib's defund the police is a very ignorant slogan that cost democrats seats

I personally support reforms to the police. I worked hard and we got a good Democrat elected as District Attorney in my county two years ago and this cycle we got a good man elected as sheriff of my county. Our new DA has made a tremendous amount of difference in my county and I believe that the new Sheriff will also help. However, it is clear that we lost races that we should not have lost Defund the police was used very effectively by the GOP in down ballot races. A good number of races that Democrats should have won were lost due to this issue.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

The GOP ran a ton of ads using this issue

Sure enough, Republicans saw an opportunity. Painting Democrats as supporters of “defunding” the police became the focus of campaign literature, TV and digital ads, and live televised debates. That forced Democratic candidates to divert resources that might otherwise be used discussing COVID-19 relief, health care or education to be used disavowing themselves from the slogan and otherwise defending themselves.

Out of 31 broadcast TV ads that Trump and other allied campaign groups used to attack Biden and other Democrats for being soft on law and order, 11 spots ― that aired a total of 77,647 times ― explicitly mentioned “defund the police,” according to an analysis Kantar Media/CMAG conducted for HuffPost. And out of 216 Republican broadcast TV ads in congressional races blasting Democrats, 157 spots that aired 103,000 times used the phrase.

I was disappointed to seen Susan Collins re-elected. It seems that Collins was able to use the "defund the police" issue very effectively

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and the GOP’s Senate campaign arm hit her Democratic opponent, Sara Gideon, in a TV ad for links to a “defund the police” billionaire. The basis for the ad was Gideon’s attendance at a fundraiser hosted by an environmental coalition that includes NextGen America. NextGen, funded by liberal billionaire Tom Steyer, supports defunding the police

[dalton99a]

48. +1. Stupid slogans like "Defund the police" and "Open borders" cause severe damage to Democrats

[LetMyPeopleVote]

79. Tlaib and Bush are Justice Democrats

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats.

The Just Us Democrat posts attacking the DCCC for raising money to elect real Democrats are really amusing. Lately the Just Us Democrats emails begging for funds have been fun to laugh at. The fundraising for the Just Us Democrats has evidently crashed and they are whining about how mean the Jews are to them.

I have been following number of posters on twitter who dislike the Justice Democrats. There are a large number of posters on twitter who have issues with the concept of the Justice Democrat group wanting to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. I also do not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.


I am not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

Again, the above posts are consistent with the hatred of the Democratic Party that I see on the almost daily emails that I get from the Justice Democrats. I admit that I enjoy the Just Us Democrat whines about AIPAC and Jews being mean.

Pushing a rather ignorant slogan about defunding the police hurts regular democrats in races where they could win. I do not support the efforts of the Justice Democrats to hurt regular democrats or the goal of the Justice Democrats to remake the Democratic Party into a party that will be guaranteed to help elect republican candidates.

[Arazi]

17. Well deserved criticism

[betsuni]

19. K&R

[ripcord]

28. Tlaib and Bush are entitled to their opinions about Israel

And others are entitled to think Tlaib and Bush are being ridiculous in their opinions of Israel.

[eissa]

36. Add that idiot Ilhan Omar in there

One of only two Dems (along with Cori Bush, another major embarrassment) to vote against the Mahsa Amini Act, a bill sanctioning the brutal Iranian regime for their human rights abuses, specifically targeting women. Haven't read her statement on this latest assault - let's hope she doesn't say something stupid again.

[AntivaxHunters]

41. Now we're calling our own "idiots"?

Ilhan Omar is Muslim. Her district is one of the Muslim populated districts in the country.

[moonshinegnomie]

72. you can be a muslim and and idiot

[Emile]

50. Not good to bash democratic politicians here.

[Zeitghost]

59. If we can bash Manchin

For holding down a blue Senate seat in the deepest of red states, we can bash those who refuse to condemn terrorists.

[Emile]

75. Does Manchin bashing upset you?

[Zeitghost]

80. No

I'm much more realistic about the guy than many around here, but everyone is free to have their opinion.

I do find the inconsistent enforcement of some rules frustrating, but it is what it is.

[inthewind21]

57. Perhaps

You'd be be more comfortable with more republicans.

[eissa]

73. I can criticize our own when warranted

Especially when they refuse to speak out against brutal regimes that murder women for not wearing that oppressive hijab, and terrorists who slaughter innocent civilians. To be called a “Republican” for that is ludicrous.

[Marius25]

45. Can you imagine the outrage if sitting members of Congress

refused to condemn Al Qaeda after 9/11?

[redqueen]

49. Until the occupation is ended

and apartheid is ended, aid should be suspended.

[AntivaxHunters]

52. Yes!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. A thought experiment.

What do you think it would do to President Biden's re-election prospects if he announced. today all U S aid to Israel will be suspended after he said America's support for Israel was "rock solid" on Sunday? Thank you in advance. Also, please factor into your answer the fact that American citizens are currently being held hostage by Hamas.

[Zeitghost]

58. They do not care

They are against the Jewish people of Israel before they are Democrats. There words here the last few days prove that over and over.

[redqueen]

61. Oh the drama

I am not against Israel or Jewish people.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. That's a bit harsh.

Tough on terrorism, tough on the causes of terrorism. Raping, kidnapping, and murdering civilians can never be justified and those that commit such heinous acts should get the rough justice they deserve but we need to understand the conditions that give it rise.

[redqueen]

62. I don't expect it to come from Biden

It should be congress who debates why we continue to support a regime which is practicing apartheid

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. The last time there was a vote in the House...

The last time there was a vote in the House (7-18-23) over 400 members voted in favor of supporting Israel. 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/house-republicans-tee-vote-support-israel-after-democrats-101422301

[redqueen]

66. The one-sidedness is not a surprise.

You're painted as an anti-semite for daring to call or apartheid, which is what it is.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. One can oppose the occupation without being an antisemite. I oppose it.

I favor a two-state solution. Hamas isn't interested in one. Their raison d'etre is to make the area Jew free.

[Mosby]

65. What does ending apartheid look like?

[LiberalFighter]

60. Why does she want to end funding of Israel?

Not sure she sees the whole picture.

I don't 100% support Israel. At least with their current leadership. But they should be able to protect their people.

I absolutely don't support Hamas and I didn't see anything by her criticizing them.

[rogue emissary]

70. Glad Torres & Gottheimer recognize thsoe statements for what they are

dangerous rhetoric.

[NowISeetheLight]

82. Hamas

If I thought for one minute that Hamas would be reasonable and would be willing to negotiate a peace, I'd support the effort. But they've ruled Gaza for 17 years. No elections, just terror. They've raised a whole generation to hate Israel.

The reason there is a blockade is to contain the terrorists. It's a defacto "two state" plan without it being official. I can't imagine an open border. You'd have daily suicide bombers. That's because Hamas is dedicated to destroying the Jewish people. They could open the borders, remove all troops and settlements, welcome the Palestinians to live, and work in Israel. Hamas would STILL be committing terroristic acts.

They're terrorists. Period.